The New iRiver/Astell & Kern AK100: A High-End DAP
Mar 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM Post #3,121 of 9,165
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Lets just agree to disagree.. I'm in the camp that is hunting for a pure transport device only and Id say based on the amount of headfiers (Rudi comes to mind) with multiple portable amps and portable dacs there is a huge market waiting to be tapped who want the same. There is a market who, like opamp swapping, swap devices to match their cans/IEMs. I for one, hate starting the chain locked to stupid iTunes

If iriver did not advertised the AK100 as a high fidelity DAP than i would not be a harsh judge on it and I would understand why people are pairing it with external DAC and amp but considering the amount of people who have purchased this and paired with external amp that tells me that there might be something serious wrong with it. 
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM Post #3,122 of 9,165
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If iriver did not advertised the AK100 as a high fidelity DAP than i would not be a harsh judge on it and I would understand why people are pairing it with external DAC and amp but considering the amount of people who have purchased this and paired with external amp that tells me that there might be something serious wrong with it. 

 
Since before CES (2013), I've been using an AK100 (stock) with the Sennheiser IE 800, FitEar MH334 (custom), and JH Audio JH13 Pro (Freqphase), and I think it sounds fantastic with those headphones, especially with my high-res files from HDtracks, and the many FLAC albums I've downloaded from Bowers & Wilkins' Society of Sound (which I strongly recommend you join and support, if you haven't already).
 
I haven't heard any modded versions of AK100, but I'm not inclined to send it in for a mod, as I'm quite happy with its sound as is, with what headphones I've so far used with it.
 
As strong as its user interface is, though, it's still hard for me to put down my iOS-based devices whose UI's I'm in love with (and still, to my mind, set the standard for intuitive ease of use). But, because none of my iOS-based rigs support 24/192, the AK100 has become one of my primary portable rigs, especially when I know I'm going to want to listen to my high-res stuff.
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM Post #3,123 of 9,165
I do like my society of sound however they too dont offer 24/192 files. Their standard is seems to be 24/48 flac.  Anyways I do hope I get to audition this unit in a near future however I hope before than I can find an answer to my question:"Do folks add the external amp/dac because they find the one on board as inferior or it is a SQ preference?"
 
I do not mind UI, my most used and loved DAP is hisound which arguably has the worst UI in the market. Looking at AK100 it both has the looks and all the feature that I want from a DAP, however than again I have seen folks who mod it, pair it with DAC/AMP which cost as much as the DAP itself and considering my perfectionist nature I know if I buy the AK100 without been able to answer that question I will end up spending on all those upgrades.
 
Contacting iriver also seems to be an impossible task on its own. 
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 10:03 PM Post #3,124 of 9,165
So, how many hours does the stock AK100 play at full volume with a portable external amp (Hi-Res 24-192)?
Thinking of getting an amp right now... But it this case the battery life (I mean the charge cycles) will become smaller:frowning2: Do you think iRiver will be able to replace the battery in the nearest year or two? I would pay for that...
 
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 10:13 PM Post #3,125 of 9,165
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Since before CES (2013), I've been using an AK100 (stock) with the Sennheiser IE 800, FitEar MH334 (custom), and JH Audio JH13 Pro (Freqphase), and I think it sounds fantastic with those headphones, especially with my high-res files from HDtracks, and the many FLAC albums I've downloaded from Bowers & Wilkins' Society of Sound (which I strongly recommend you join and support, if you haven't already).
 
I haven't heard any modded versions of AK100, but I'm not inclined to send it in for a mod, as I'm quite happy with its sound as is, with what headphones I've so far used with it.
 
As strong as its user interface is, though, it's still hard for me to put down my iOS-based devices whose UI's I'm in love with (and still, to my mind, set the standard for intuitive ease of use). But, because none of my iOS-based rigs support 24/192, the AK100 has become one of my primary portable rigs, especially when I know I'm going to want to listen to my high-res stuff.


To me Jude, there is a very important difference musically. The true nature of the Wolfson comes out, being natural and fluid, which in the stock form of the AK100, to me, is restrained and almost brittle sounding. The depth to the presentation is truncated and bass is not nearly as good as the bypassed version of the AK100. IMO
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 10:44 PM Post #3,126 of 9,165
funny, people complain that audiophile equipment does not play angry birds LOL

as a matter of fact i have Mac Mini dedicated exclusively for playback with all other features deactivated and all non-essential programs deleted. no updates of software, airport switched off, ports disabled, Audirvana Plus pure without integer mode and all USB ports and else disabled in playback mode. i would kill anyone who would want to play games on my Music server...

for this reason i could not be more happier to hear that AK100 is dedicated sole for music playback purpose, no stupid video, games and etc garbage which i would not tolerate on my hifi device :)

tell me what AK100 cannot do and the more faults you find the more appealing this will be for me, because the only thing which counts is playback of music, rest is not important. i can stand even mediocre UI if that will improve sound quality.

and have suffered with using iTunes to activate another iPhone 5 for my girls so i confess i never want to have this smartphone garbage. i use old simple phone for calling and iPad mini for internet. why would i want silly iPhone to do everything? and again iTunes is worst thing i ever experienced in Apple. wish Apple stops using iTunes for updates so i can delete it from all Macs in my house.

viva all players which are dedicated to sole quality sound playback :)))

You should read the post before ranting...people said they DO NOT want additional apps...
 
Mar 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM Post #3,127 of 9,165
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To me Jude, there is a very important difference musically. The true nature of the Wolfson comes out, being natural and fluid, which in the stock form of the AK100, to me, is restrained and almost brittle sounding. The depth to the presentation is truncated and bass is not nearly as good as the bypassed version of the AK100. IMO

 
At some point, I'm sure I'll get to listen to a modded unit, but, as it is, I'm not hearing any brittleness, or truncated depth with the stock AK100. With the headphones I've used it with, I also haven't been dissatisfied with the bass.
 
Again, I'll listen to the Red Wine Audio modded version at some point.
 
Mar 10, 2013 at 1:10 AM Post #3,128 of 9,165
While on the move outdoors, the AK100 sounds just fine stock.
I guess our senses are just spread out while moving about, the little niggles go unnoticed.
 
However, having spent a good 7 months on the DX100 with my JH13pro (old version), could catch the subtle lack of dynamics when switching to the AK100. The AK100 is good on its own, just found lacking in presentation when matched up to the DX100.
 
However, as a standalone player, in terms of portability, memory expansion, design and capabilities, it's truly a great device on its own.
 
If iRiver were to release a successor to the AK100, with a better in-built amp, sabre ess9018 dac and a dedicated line out (just for the heck of using it as a transport), it would probably be the dream portable player for many including myself.
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Mar 10, 2013 at 1:59 AM Post #3,129 of 9,165
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While on the move outdoors, the AK100 sounds just fine stock.
I guess our senses are just spread out while moving about, the little niggles go unnoticed.
 
However, having spent a good 7 months on the DX100 with my JH13pro (old version), could catch the subtle lack of dynamics when switching to the AK100. The AK100 is good on its own, just found lacking in presentation when matched up to the DX100.
 
However, as a standalone player, in terms of portability, memory expansion, design and capabilities, it's truly a great device on its own.
 
If iRiver were to release a successor to the AK100, with a better in-built amp, sabre ess9018 dac and a dedicated line out (just for the heck of using it as a transport), it would probably be the dream portable player for many including myself.
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Agreed!
 
Mar 10, 2013 at 5:30 AM Post #3,131 of 9,165
Mimo, i deleted my rant (this was abstract anyway) and i apologize, perhaps too much good wine during yesterday's dinner inflamed my brain (in a good mood) 
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Mar 10, 2013 at 5:46 AM Post #3,132 of 9,165
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Mimo, i deleted my rant (this was abstract anyway) and i apologize, perhaps too much good wine during yesterday's dinner inflamed my brain (in a good mood) 
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If it is wine, I can forgive anything, certainly on account of being French
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Hey wait ! These smileys are drinking beer ! I have been tricked !
 
Mar 10, 2013 at 9:55 AM Post #3,133 of 9,165
Amazon japan is selling them for 497 AUD which seems to be the price we can find this in Japan and yet in Australia it is 690 AUD. Anyone knows any cheap reliable forwarding services?
 
Mar 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM Post #3,134 of 9,165
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Amazon japan is selling them for 497 AUD which seems to be the price we can find this in Japan and yet in Australia it is 690 AUD. Anyone knows any cheap reliable forwarding services?


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Mar 10, 2013 at 5:59 PM Post #3,135 of 9,165
While on the move outdoors, the AK100 sounds just fine stock.
I guess our senses are just spread out while moving about, the little niggles go unnoticed.

However, having spent a good 7 months on the DX100 with my JH13pro (old version), could catch the subtle lack of dynamics when switching to the AK100. The AK100 is good on its own, just found lacking in presentation when matched up to the DX100.

However, as a standalone player, in terms of portability, memory expansion, design and capabilities, it's truly a great device on its own.

If iRiver were to release a successor to the AK100, with a better in-built amp, sabre ess9018 dac and a dedicated line out (just for the heck of using it as a transport), it would probably be the dream portable player for many including myself. :smile:


Is it true that this year, River is going to release the replacement model for AK100 with better performance and features but at less than half of its current price?:D
 

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