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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by supracrazy_tommy View Post

For the GR07 mk2, u say the treble is harsh? If I can't find any alternatives for the ie80, than yes I would try to save up to get them. At that price, I would consider some Cans though. Is Weston 3 in that price range too?
I forgot to mention I listen to a lot of modern music so mainly hip hop. I don't like overwhelming bass though. Vocals have to be clear.


Well all I can say is the IE80 excel at Hip-hop and bass heavy type genres. I had mentioned that tape mod as well if you found there to be too much bass. So basically the IEM is capable of 3 very different sound signatures which is something you won't get from other IEMs generally. That is without having to use EQ. Did you want me to PM you with the USA dealers information? I think you can get him down to $300 or maybe even less. Just mention the sale going on at amazon.germany and that you want him to compare to it. $270.00 is a steal to be honest.

post #32 of 48
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Thank you for your pm Lee. That is a great deal. I was just trying to get input on other headphones that might be good besides ie80. I have to say I never spent so much on an iem before. I am really anticipating the vmoda m-100 but at this rate it will be a long wait heh

You are first to not like ue tf10s. It has such great feedback on here and for the gr07 is it not a good buy. So the highs on those are really harsh?
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by supracrazy_tommy View Post

Thank you for your pm Lee. That is a great deal. I was just trying to get input on other headphones that might be good besides ie80. I have to say I never spent so much on an iem before. I am really anticipating the vmoda m-100 but at this rate it will be a long wait heh
You are first to not like ue tf10s. It has such great feedback on here and for the gr07 is it not a good buy. So the highs on those are really harsh?


Can't say really harsh but boardeline sibilant. The GR07s should have more positive reviews than the TF10s IMO. Also the GR07s take a very long time to burn in which may play a roll in it. But I had a pair with slightly over 200 hours of usage and didn't find it acceptable or even an upgrade to the IE80. It was a downgrade IMO so not worth it in my case. It is a great value though for the price. The TF10s had a lot of qualities I did not like. The cross-over in them is garbage and due to this the sound isn't very good. Treble is artificial and boosted, bass is bloated, mids are recessed. Just not a very convincing sound IMO. For $92 it wasn't a bad deal. Just not an upgrade to what I had but a downgrade.

post #34 of 48

Does using DAP makes any different in music Sound Quality ?

 

iPhone 4S + 320 KBps MP3 + Denon Audio Graphical Equalizer app --> Canare Cable --> Fiio e11 --> Westone 4 IEM

*Some DAP brand*+ 320 KBps MP3 --> Canare Cable --> Fiio e11 --> Westone 4 IEM

 

I can't think of any benefits of using DAP apart from additional / upgradeable storage capacity. 

post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post

Does using DAP makes any different in music Sound Quality ?

 

iPhone 4S + 320 KBps MP3 + Denon Audio Graphical Equalizer app --> Canare Cable --> Fiio e11 --> Westone 4 IEM

*Some DAP brand*+ 320 KBps MP3 --> Canare Cable --> Fiio e11 --> Westone 4 IEM

 

I can't think of any benefits of using DAP apart from additional / upgradeable storage capacity. 


Yes it does. There are much better DAPs out there than the iphone4s for quality music playback. But I'd also recommend using lossless (FLAC) instead of lossy formats on these players as you are not getting the full performance out of them otherwise. On an iphone though I don't see any reason to use lossless as the player isn't revealing enough to warrant the waste of space.

 

Hisound Nova player, Rocoo BA, Studio V 3rd ANV, ibasso DX100, Colorfly C3, CK4, C4, Hifiman 601, 602, 901 (to be released), Tera Player.


Edited by lee730 - 11/27/12 at 3:05pm
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Yes it does. There are much better DAPs out there than the iphone4s for quality music playback. But I'd also recommend using lossless (FLAC) instead of lossy formats on these players as you are not getting the full performance out of them otherwise. On an iphone though I don't see any reason to use lossless as the player isn't revealing enough to warrant the waste of space.

 

Hisound Nova player, Rocoo BA, Studio V 3rd ANV, ibasso DX100, Colorfly C3, CK4, C4, Hifiman 601, 602, 901 (to be released), Tera Player.

Wow, I never thought about that before :-o

 

which DAP has got the builtin DAC so that i do not need to buy separate USB DAC or even portable DAC and also carrying my Fiio E11 amp ?

 

thanks for the advice, I'll try one of those suggestion on the list.


Edited by JohnSantana - 11/27/12 at 3:24pm
post #37 of 48

all DAPs have a built-in DAC chip in it because if one DAP has no DAC, it wont play any sound =)

 

correct me if im wrong

post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by Dyaems View Post

all DAPs have a built-in DAC chip in it because if one DAP has no DAC, it wont play any sound =)

 

correct me if im wrong


Correct but there are also different designs. Like on the lower quality designs usually the DAC also will have it's own built in amp section so they are not separate. The Sansa products are one of these types of players. I'm not so sure about the ipods but they may also be the same.

post #39 of 48

In the future I want a DAP that actually has no DAC,

I just want it to be a portable digital transport, that I can plug into a DAC on the move, or at work/home.

post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by KT66 View Post

In the future I want a DAP that actually has no DAC,

I just want it to be a portable digital transport, that I can plug into a DAC on the move, or at work/home.


Still you can run into issues with jitter/timing if they don't do it right which will also impact sound quality.

post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Yes it does. There are much better DAPs out there than the iphone4s for quality music playback. But I'd also recommend using lossless (FLAC) instead of lossy formats on these players as you are not getting the full performance out of them otherwise. On an iphone though I don't see any reason to use lossless as the player isn't revealing enough to warrant the waste of space.

 

Hisound Nova player, Rocoo BA, Studio V 3rd ANV, ibasso DX100, Colorfly C3, CK4, C4, Hifiman 601, 602, 901 (to be released), Tera Player.

Is the difference in performance the same as supposed difference in 320kbps vs flac?

 

I will be transitioning to DAP eventually and would like something that I don't need extra amps/dacs

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I wanna follow a set-up:320 kbps mp3->DAP->full size headphones(currently Shure 1840)

 

any advice?

post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by KamijoIsMyHero View Post

Is the difference in performance the same as supposed difference in 320kbps vs flac?

 

I will be transitioning to DAP eventually and would like something that I don't need extra amps/dacs

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I wanna follow a set-up:320 kbps mp3->DAP->full size headphones(currently Shure 1840)

 

any advice?


Depending on your gear/synergy, yes. But there are other things to take into account. Such as sound staging, imaging, texture, layering, depth, micro-detailing, mids, bass, treble quality etc. There is a lot more to it than how some oversimplify things. In the end you'll have to listen for these nuances and determine if such things have value to you or if you just consider "sound as sound".


Edited by lee730 - 11/28/12 at 2:46am
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Depending on your gear/synergy, yes. But there are other things to take into account. Such as sound staging, imaging, texture, layering, depth, micro-detailing, mids, bass, treble quality etc. There is a lot more to it than how some oversimplify things. In the end you'll have to listen for these nuances and determine if such things have value to you or if you just consider "sound as sound".

 

Oh I already decided to stick with mp3s, a long while ago, I just think flac's extra detail is a forgettable with the way I listen to music(I don't do zone-out sessions) I tend to take my music everywhere so a portable all-in-one is very much desired

post #44 of 48

Why don't you look at cosmic ears customs? You can read more here on this forum. It has some nice customs at extremely low prices.

post #45 of 48

The Rega is very hard to beat for the money.

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