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post #16 of 200

LOL I can't believe people still believe the myth that any Cirrus DAC is automatically poor. Matter of fact the Cirrus DACs used in the last 4 iPhones perform much better than the older Wolfson based iPods/iPhones. The early run of Cirrus DACs were poor yes, but that has changed for a while now. 

 

The best sounding iDevice tested yet, is the current iPad. We'll see if the IP5 can stay on par with that and surpass the previous ones. 


Edited by Inks - 9/21/12 at 8:56pm
post #17 of 200
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LOL I can't believe people still believe the myth that any Cirrus DAC is automatically poor. Matter of fact the Cirrus DACs used in the last 4 iPhones perform much better than the older Wolfson based iPods/iPhones. The early run of Cirrus DACs were poor yes, but that has changed for a while now. 

 

The best sounding iDevice tested yet, is the current iPad. We'll see if the IP5 can stay on par with that and surpass the previous ones. 

 

The Wolfson cult fanbois are everywhere.....wink_face.gif

post #18 of 200
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The Wolfson cult fanbois are everywhere.....wink_face.gif


I agree the Sflo2 was pretty nice but not the end all for DACs. Although I understand some having a preference for a warmer sound, nothing wrong there.

post #19 of 200

Subscribed just for curiosity about how this will develope!

post #20 of 200
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I agree the Sflo2 was pretty nice but not the end all for DACs. Although I understand some having a preference for a warmer sound, nothing wrong there.

 

You're absolutely right, preferring that sound is just fine. But many of the Wolfson faithful soundly dismiss anything else as being second-tier, which really is not fair.

post #21 of 200
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

 

You're absolutely right, preferring that sound is just fine. But many of the Wolfson faithful soundly dismiss anything else as being second-tier, which really is not fair.


Well in that case my Studio V 3rd ANV which technically has a lesser DAC than the SFlo2s dual wolfson DACs takes a huge dump all over it sound quality wise. Now why is that? "Implementation" ;).

post #22 of 200

Just did a side by side with UM3xs on the new iPhone 5 vs. the 2 year old iPhone 4 (not the 4s).  When you first plug into the iPhone 5, there are six clicks that can be heard over a 3-5 second time frame.  This happens each time you plug in.  There are no clicks on the iPhone 4.  There is also a click when you push play for the first time after plugging in which isn't there on the iPhone 4.

 

The iPhone 5 is not as ambient as the iPhone 4 in an A/B comparison.  To my ear, the iPhone 5 rolls off the high frequencies a bit, maybe 3-5 db above 1-2kHz.  In comparison, the iPhone 4 is more pleasant and open, with more rosin on the strings, more breath on the flutes, and more brass in the brass.  the iPhone 5 is a bit muffled in comparison.  I've got the 5 currently running into an open wire at full blast to see if any capacitors "form up" overnight to maybe minimize the low pass effect.

 

I also compared the iPhone 5 to a 4 week old iPod Classic.  The same comparison holds.

 

So far, I'm disappointed.  I got the 64Gb version to hold much more music than the 32Gb iPhone 4.  This might be going back in favor of a Samsung S3.

 

Side note: the screen has a greenish tinge compared to the iPhone4, though that's hardly germane on this post.

post #23 of 200
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Just did a side by side with UM3xs on the new iPhone 5 vs. the 2 year old iPhone 4 (not the 4s).  When you first plug into the iPhone 5, there are six clicks that can be heard over a 3-5 second time frame.  This happens each time you plug in.  There are no clicks on the iPhone 4.  There is also a click when you push play for the first time after plugging in which isn't there on the iPhone 4.

 

The iPhone 5 is not as ambient as the iPhone 4 in an A/B comparison.  To my ear, the iPhone 5 rolls off the high frequencies a bit, maybe 3-5 db above 1-2kHz.  In comparison, the iPhone 4 is more pleasant and open, with more rosin on the strings, more breath on the flutes, and more brass in the brass.  the iPhone 5 is a bit muffled in comparison.  I've got the 5 currently running into an open wire at full blast to see if any capacitors "form up" overnight to maybe minimize the low pass effect.

 

I also compared the iPhone 5 to a 4 week old iPod Classic.  The same comparison holds.

 

So far, I'm disappointed.  I got the 64Gb version to hold much more music than the 32Gb iPhone 4.  This might be going back in favor of a Samsung S3.

 

Side note: the screen has a greenish tinge compared to the iPhone4, though that's hardly germane on this post.

 

Could you elaborate on the clicks thing ? is there any hiss during the unlocking sequence ?

 

Yesterday i got my 9 month old iPhone 4s exchanged for new one at an Apple Store because since i upgraded to iOS 6 i heard a few seconds of hiss everytime i went through the unlocking sequence (it began on the finger sliding and ended a few seconds after the main screen was loaded). My iems are UM3x as well. I heard the same outburst of hiss whenever i locked my iPhone.

 

In addition to that hiss bursts upon locking and un locking i heard odd clicks whenever i plugged my UM3x.

 

Now i have a brand new iPhone 4s 64gbs running iOS 5.1 and i'm fearful of upgrading to 6 because my issued just began when i upgraded to the latest ios hence i think that these odd issues i had were caused by ios 6.

 

What you are telling about the iPhone 5 reminds me of the aforementioned issues that led me to an Apple Store in complain-mode: bring-me-my-flawless-audio-experience-back-right-now-or-i-won't-leave-the-premises ;)

post #24 of 200
From my actual experience when listening in both ipod classic 160G (7th gen) vs ipod video 60G (5th gen), the ipod video 60G (5th gen) sounds slightly better especially more detail separation and wider sound stage.

Ipod 5th with Wolfson DAC chip
Ipod 7th with Cirrus Logic DAC chip
post #25 of 200
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Originally Posted by IpodHappy View Post

Just did a side by side with UM3xs on the new iPhone 5 vs. the 2 year old iPhone 4 (not the 4s).  When you first plug into the iPhone 5, there are six clicks that can be heard over a 3-5 second time frame.  This happens each time you plug in.  There are no clicks on the iPhone 4.  There is also a click when you push play for the first time after plugging in which isn't there on the iPhone 4.

 

The iPhone 5 is not as ambient as the iPhone 4 in an A/B comparison.  To my ear, the iPhone 5 rolls off the high frequencies a bit, maybe 3-5 db above 1-2kHz.  In comparison, the iPhone 4 is more pleasant and open, with more rosin on the strings, more breath on the flutes, and more brass in the brass.  the iPhone 5 is a bit muffled in comparison.  I've got the 5 currently running into an open wire at full blast to see if any capacitors "form up" overnight to maybe minimize the low pass effect.

 

I also compared the iPhone 5 to a 4 week old iPod Classic.  The same comparison holds.

 

So far, I'm disappointed.  I got the 64Gb version to hold much more music than the 32Gb iPhone 4.  This might be going back in favor of a Samsung S3.

 

Side note: the screen has a greenish tinge compared to the iPhone4, though that's hardly germane on this post.

 

That's funny because I just A/B'ed my iP4 with the iP5, and there was barely any difference. I really tried to find some differences too.

 

The screen "tint" is the much higher color saturation. Colors just pop more, and my iP4 looks washed out now in comparison.


Edited by eke2k6 - 9/23/12 at 5:18am
post #26 of 200

I'm waiting for the RMAA testing of the iPhone 5. That will make me think about what I may get the wife. Opinions are great & all, but show me the facts.

post #27 of 200

My friend just got the Iphone 5. I listened for about an hour with monster turbine ear phones. And I am dissapointed. There is a slight muffle to the overall quality of sound. I am coming from a Ipod Video 5.5 gen.

The bass is boomy and there is a lack of treble. There are decent mids though.It reminds me of my Ipod mini. Nothing really interesting sonically. Just a dull sounding artificial mp3 player. I have always felt that Ipods don't change much at all with burn in. So I will not be picking up the new Iphone. confused_face.gif

post #28 of 200
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I'm waiting for the RMAA testing of the iPhone 5. That will make me think about what I may get the wife. Opinions are great & all, but show me the facts.


Yeah. Objetive data put into context subjective assesments.


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post #29 of 200

Elfary, no hissing during the unlocking sequence.  Just clicking when you plug the cable in.  They're like very short "ticks."
 

post #30 of 200
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

LOL I can't believe people still believe the myth that any Cirrus DAC is automatically poor. Matter of fact the Cirrus DACs used in the last 4 iPhones perform much better than the older Wolfson based iPods/iPhones. The early run of Cirrus DACs were poor yes, but that has changed for a while now. 

 

The best sounding iDevice tested yet, is the current iPad. We'll see if the IP5 can stay on par with that and surpass the previous ones. 

No myth here, I just don't like the sound quality it produces. I could take the Pepsi challenge any day with it...

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