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post #121 of 399
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Originally Posted by bixby View Post

deadhorse.gifHey, I'm not supporting this move either, I just don't think Apple cares about a small minority that needs the capabilities and backwards compatibility you mention.  I do hope that they encourage third parties to develop ways to keep the legacy accessories working with new ipods and iphones.  And our views that this is not progress really don't matter now, they are not going to go back and change anything.  I just hope there will be ways to keep using amps and such with some sort of intermediary device.

 

What I'm getting at is that it's not a small minority, plenty of people have desktop radios that they plug their ipod/iphone/ipod touch/nano/etc. into and expect it to work, and when they buy a new phone plus a $30 adapter, they'll expect that to work as well.  If it doesn't, that's a huge screw up, and an F-U to their customers.

post #122 of 399
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What I'm getting at is that it's not a small minority, plenty of people have desktop radios that they plug their ipod/iphone/ipod touch/nano/etc. into and expect it to work, and when they buy a new phone plus a $30 adapter, they'll expect that to work as well.  If it doesn't, that's a huge screw up, and an F-U to their customers.

I would have to agree.

post #123 of 399
on the new iPhone 5 and refreshed iPods. Despite Apple highlighting the benefits of the new Lightning connectors and cables, which included an 80 percent smaller, all-digital, reversible design, there were some concerns over legacy support and the $30 adapters many users would be forced to purchase. As first pointed out by iMore, Apple appears to have confirmed video out will not be supported on the new Lightning cables with only AirPlay listed under the iPhone 5′s tech specs. Unfortunately, it also does not look like it will be possible through the current Lightning to 30-pin adapter or cable and AV adapter, as product pages for the Lightning adapter verify “Video and iPod Out not supported”:



This was just copied from 9 to 5 mac..... Seems like no more line out function???? What about the millions of cars and stereos that use the ipod line out as the source
post #124 of 399
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Originally Posted by deadguy99 View Post

on the new iPhone 5 and refreshed iPods. Despite Apple highlighting the benefits of the new Lightning connectors and cables, which included an 80 percent smaller, all-digital, reversible design, there were some concerns over legacy support and the $30 adapters many users would be forced to purchase. As first pointed out by iMore, Apple appears to have confirmed video out will not be supported on the new Lightning cables with only AirPlay listed under the iPhone 5′s tech specs. Unfortunately, it also does not look like it will be possible through the current Lightning to 30-pin adapter or cable and AV adapter, as product pages for the Lightning adapter verify “Video and iPod Out not supported”:
This was just copied from 9 to 5 mac..... Seems like no more line out function???? What about the millions of cars and stereos that use the ipod line out as the source

Use headphone out?  A downgrade IMO.

post #125 of 399
Anyone else find it it a little conical that people think apple somehow have managed to make a postage sized dock connection complete with Dac? And for $30? :lol:

Look at where the HP out is. That tells you all you need to know
post #126 of 399

200 USD for the iPhone 5 seems very attractive, although it's 8GB.

post #127 of 399
Thread Starter 

Yes, using the headphone out would be a downgrade for most of us, but lets take a step back - after a night's sleep I feel a bit more objective about this.

 

1. If Joe Public has to buy a cheap mini analog cable to get his dock or whatever working with one of the new iDevices, I'm guessing many will see it as a minor annoyance, and I'm sure the guy at the Apple Store will have one handy ....... of course, good luck controlling playback from the dock's remote control. Still, that's what Shuffle is for, right ? Set and forget. 

 

Another issue is whether you would be able to sit your iDevice in your dock with the adapter fitted - the Engadget-style sites are recommending you buy the more expensive 'cable' version of the adapter for legacy docks - that puts your iDevice back on the bench or lying on its side in one of the larger dock cradles. Clearly, it wont be ideal for many people.

 

 

 

 

 

2. As Ken from ALO said in the other thread, its become clearer that the Classic is the last of the 'audio devices' with an Apple brand on it - how many iPhone/iTouch users buy them primarily to listen to music ? We are a niche within a niche at Head-Fi. Buy a Classic and look after the thing - it will probably still be with you when the iPhone 5 is consigned to landfills all over the world, 

 

3. If there IS a DAC in the adapter,  I don't envy Apple Helpdesk (or their colleagues at the dock makers) when something goes wrong with that sub $30 concoction - telling customers they need to buy a new adapter from Apple because it 'might be a problem with the DAC' isnt my idea of a good time. I would also venture that the result from such a DAC would have to be comparable to the sound from  the headphone out - you now have a phone with two DAC chips which may or may not be identical. Last time I checked, there was a little more involved in digital to analog conversion than inserting a sliver of silicon into moulded plastic. The EU adapter illustrates just how little real estate Apple's engineers would have to work with - 

 

 

Even if the end result is reasonable from a dock, is it really going to be a signal you want to amplify ? I guess we'll know when someone actually buys one and reports back. 

 

Having read 'iPod Out is not line-out' counter-claims several times in this thread, I need to point out that Apple could have allayed a mountain of fear and loathing with a 10 second demonstration of the new iPhone hooked up to a dock in the keynote, but I suspect that they have learnt their lesson with embarrassing snafus during a product launch. The media will inevitably pick up a glitch and broadcast it over several news cycles, ignoring the 99% that went seamlessly. 

 

End of the day, the vast majority of people lining up outside Apple Stores wont give a hoot about something as obscure as 'analog line-out', just as I dont give a hoot about being able to access 4G services here in Oz. Horses for courses. 

post #128 of 399

Excellent post and thanks for starting the whole thread.  I am scouring ebay right now for another 2nd gen Touch.

 

I linked the WSJ and CNN posts in my blog.  CNN is saying no analog as well.

post #129 of 399

Apple has confirmed the £25 adapter does indeed have a built-in DAC. Yes, really.

 

http://bit.ly/TWH9CY

post #130 of 399

hmmm, interesting....  No ADC, but I guess it's a moment of, "take what you can get."  I wonder if it'll accept an external ADC.......

 

Can't wait to see an iphone -> lightning bolt adapter -> picolino lod -> amp....

post #131 of 399
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Originally Posted by JoeCox View Post

Apple has confirmed the £25 adapter does indeed have a built-in DAC. Yes, really.

 

http://bit.ly/TWH9CY

thanks Joe.  I see you are also following Dan Frakes article on Macworld and they have changed it as I mentioned in my blog.  I may be eating my words but will wait until someone grabs an iphone and adapter and throws a simple LOD cable on it to an external amp.  And then we have to hear what it does to the sound.


Edited by bixby - 9/13/12 at 3:28pm
post #132 of 399
Thread Starter 

I'm going to put that WHF update on hold for now, pending something a little more definitive. Consider this statement:

 

So it should work with existing docks that take an analogue connection, though it now seems to scupper docks and other devices that previously took a digital connection and used their own DACs.

 

As David pointed out on his blog, CLAS owners can just plug the Lightning connector into the USB port on the CLAS - I dont know how the Fostex USB connection is configured, but there is no need for an adapter with the CLAS. Not sure where that leaves the Pure i-20 or the docks installed in gear from Peachtree and others - I guess that's their problem. 

 

 

 

post #133 of 399
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Originally Posted by JoeCox View Post

Apple has confirmed the £25 adapter does indeed have a built-in DAC. Yes, really.

http://bit.ly/TWH9CY

Eats his own words lol.
post #134 of 399
Yes I found that Dan Frakes article via Twitter, though I think we got the jump on him re: the DAC. Apologies, but which is your blog? Agree that I'll believe it all when I see/hear it. Clear, it ain't.
post #135 of 399
Thread Starter 

Guys, if I have inadvertently misled anyone, I apologize but given that others in this hobby rang the same set of alarm bells I dont believe I was hasty in doing so.

 

I have outlined my concerns re the $5 DAC in the $30 adapter, so I'll leave it there - we need feedback on sonics and ergonomics when the adapter is released in October. Till that happens, I believe the only folk who will be hearing anything from the Lightning port will be the owners of the aforementioned transports - CLAS and Fostex and possibly others that I'm not aware of. Personally, even if LOD cables do continue to work with the new adapter, is that the configuration you want to base your portable rig on ? Purely on the basis of storage capacity and singularity of purpose, I cant see why 'portaphiles' married to iTunes as their content delivery mechanism would opt for anything other than the Classic as a music player. Its simplicity is its biggest strength, IMO. We can hee and haw about a 'possible upgrade', but I just don't see that happening. The Classic could well join the iRiver H* series as one of those players that leaves you wondering why the hell they stopped making it, and where you can get a decent secondhand unit.   eek.gif

 

Personally, I'm not wild about iTunes on Windows and I prefer FLAC rips of my CDs to 256K AAC iTunes downloads, but I would be hard pressed to tell the difference with much of my music - particularly in a portable setting. That said, I still use iTunes to avoid buying albums that have two decent tracks accompanied by 10 or so mediocre 'album fillers' - I know that's sacrilege, but there you have it. Even with the lopsided Aussie pricing, the iTunes store is a Godsend out here in the boonies.  And I think I just talked myself into buying another 160GB Classic.  rolleyes.gif

 

Anyway, back to the topic - Apple need to be a whole lot clearer in their specifications, IMO.    redface.gif

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