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iPhone 5 (and new Touch) has totally new dock connector - 'Lightning' - adapters available but no line-out
Sep 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 399
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Guys, I did try searching on 'iPhone5' and 'iPhone 5' - no luck - feel free to ignore this if its been posted elsewhere. That chunky CLAS stack just got a little chunkier with the requirement for an adapter. I can only assume that the '19 pin-to-30 pin' adapter will still work with the CLAS and other devices which bypass the iPhone DAC. 
 

 
Per Mac Rumors - 
 
The dock connector has been replaced with a smaller/thinner connector, so existing accessories and cables won't work. You will have to either buy an adapter or all new accessories if you are upgrading from an existing iPhone.
 
http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-5/
 
Adapter news:
 
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/07/apple-to-offer-adapter-for-iphone-5-smaller-19-pin-dock-connector.html
 
The iPhone 5 will be available to US customers this week. Please don't shoot the messenger.  
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Sep 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM Post #2 of 399
Cant say I like the look of this pre-release photo - unlike the image above, it has the headphone jack at the bottom of the iPhone :
 

 
Commonsense dictates that you wont be listening via the headphone-out with your LOD/CLAS etc connected, but I don't see what the problem was with having the headphone out at the top of the phone. Much easier to listen with the thing on Shuffle in a pocket/satchel etc. Presumably Apple will make the same changes to the next generation of the Touch - no idea what they will do with the other models but ditching the 30-pin connector is reportedly due to the number of obsolete pins in the old connector. 
 

 
Sep 11, 2012 at 4:12 AM Post #4 of 399
Mac Rumors has 'Dont Buy' recommendations on the entire iPod range - all are due for an upgrade in Sept-Oct. Could be a perfect storm for LOD cable makers - granted, adapters will be available, but given a choice I would prefer a seamless connection to the new dock connector, particularly if I was about to hand over serious money for a LOD cable.  
 
Probably not much of a big deal for those with their rigs in place, but newbies are constantly coming into the hobby and wanting to know what a LOD is and where to get one. I expect that we will see a new range of LODs and the odd 'this cable doesnt seem to fit my iDevice' post - as you said, we will know more on the 12th, 
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM Post #5 of 399
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Mac Rumors has 'Dont Buy' recommendations on the entire iPod range - all are due for an upgrade in Sept-Oct. 
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So once again, I wonder, will the Classic be killed off, given a capacity upgrade, or soldier on as is? 
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 4:35 AM Post #6 of 399
I don't think so - like the Mac Mini, reports of the Classic's death have been greatly exaggerated.   
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(still not happy that they saw fit to remove the optical drive from the Mini, btw, but that's probably a topic for another thread)
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM Post #7 of 399
If Apple will change the dock connector I am looking forward to hear the reason why they do so. I don't think they do it just for fun. Every dock, speaker dock, docking cable, iPad keyboard etc. in the whole world will be obsolete. I almost can't believe it. I did see the rumors have been out for a while... tomorrow we shall see what it's all about.
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM Post #8 of 399
I recall reading a recent post on reddit regarding the new connector being produced only by apple seeing as they want to shut down aftermarket cable makers from stealing their potential profit. Also a lot of aftermarket cables dont charge properly with the newest ipad and phone.

This could be a major problem for LOD makers unless they fork over a lot of money on patent rights to make them which would in turn increase the prices of the cables :frowning2:
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 8:23 PM Post #9 of 399
rasmushorn, I detailed the reason earlier in this thread- the 30-pin connector contains obsolete hookups : fairly obvious if they were able to pare it down to 19 pins. Of course, the pins that Apple decides are 'obsolete' may not be the pins you feel are obsolete, but you need to take that up with Apple. Good luck. 
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Sep 11, 2012 at 8:41 PM Post #10 of 399
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rasmushorn said:
If Apple will change the dock connector I am looking forward to hear the reason why they do so. I don't think they do it just for fun. Every dock, speaker dock, docking cable, iPad keyboard etc. in the whole world will be obsolete. I almost can't believe it. I did see the rumors have been out for a while... tomorrow we shall see what it's all about.
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thats what apple usually do, right? look at those older mac systems. you cant install their latest models for it so that customers are forced to buy new mac computers =(
 
Sep 11, 2012 at 9:00 PM Post #11 of 399
I can't remember where, but I saw an adapter that had the new dock connector, and an 1/8" trs coming out of it.  To me that means they're ditching the lineout pins, which is a shame, but it does become a good excuse to buy a portable dac.
 
Edit, found the picture:
 

 
It kind of makes sense as to why they would move the headphone jack to the bottom.
 
Sep 12, 2012 at 1:09 AM Post #12 of 399
Hmmm - you are probably right.
Had it only been mini-USB then - like everyone else... but not Apple.
 
Sep 12, 2012 at 2:34 AM Post #13 of 399
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dyaems said:
thats what apple usually do, right? look at those older mac systems. you cant install their latest models for it so that customers are forced to buy new mac computers =(
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Lets be fair here - you cant run Windows 7/8 on a 486 - I'm sure there are masochists out there who have tried, but most people accept that each new operating system advance is more resource hungry than the last. Even Linux distros have a degree of bloat out-of-the-box that many greybeards from the Unix days would have considered outrageous.  We are dangerously close to a religious discussion, so I'll leave it there. 
 
Sep 12, 2012 at 2:57 AM Post #14 of 399
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estreeter said:
 
Lets be fair here - you cant run Windows 7/8 on a 486 - I'm sure there are masochists out there who have tried, but most people accept that each new operating system advance is more resource hungry than the last. Even Linux distros have a degree of bloat out-of-the-box that many greybeards from the Unix days would have considered outrageous.  We are dangerously close to a religious discussion, so I'll leave it there. 
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sure we cant run win 7/8 on a gazillion year old computer. but macs? a few year old mac cant run a Lion OS? come on :p
 
Sep 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM Post #15 of 399
Please post a photo of Win7 running on your 'gazillion year old' computer. I'm not even sure you were around when the x86 series ruled the desktop.  
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