ALO Pan Am desktop/portable headphone amp/DAC: Impressions and Reviews
Jan 14, 2014 at 11:29 PM Post #451 of 1,147
Well the Pan Am has been with me for 2 weeks now.  I never warmed up to it.  I canceled my order for the NOS tubes because I doubt I will keep the amp.  The DAC is not worth the while and the amp is "pretty good" but not as good as the muVac I already have.  With the muVac, I can listen to music to way to late into the night.  With the Pam Am, I just don't get into the music.  Then, I found a demo RWA HPA Pro on audiogon and decided to give it a shot.  Just received it today.  Will be packing up the Pan Am tomorrow.
 

 
Jan 17, 2014 at 1:53 PM Post #452 of 1,147
Just received my Mullards, and quickly placed them in PanAm, and kicked Soundgarden (LG -> NAD -> PanAm). There first impression after 5 seconds of music was HOLLY ****** :D Why didn't you tell that Mullards change so much!
 
Jan 26, 2014 at 4:46 AM Post #455 of 1,147
Just received my Mullards, and quickly placed them in PanAm, and kicked Soundgarden (LG -> NAD -> PanAm). There first impression after 5 seconds of music was HOLLY ******
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Why didn't you tell that Mullards change so much!

Congrats! I am still waiting for mullards and this made me more excited! Anyway I was able to get my hands on Siemens tube and I was also amazed how the sound improved, very expansive soundstage and thick midrange. Now I appreciate Pan Am more and hoping to get more tubes to roll with it :)
 
Jan 26, 2014 at 4:47 AM Post #456 of 1,147
Jan 27, 2014 at 11:22 AM Post #459 of 1,147
  @R Scott Ireland sir if you dont mind can you post impression about the difference of those tubes? :)

OK, here goes:

 
1. Telefunken - To my ears, these tubes render a balanced and accurate representation across all frequencies. They are definitely NOT bass heavy, but accurate (to me), and I love them for classical music. They made my LCD-3's sound better than any other tubes I've tried with the Pan Am and they were equally good with the HD 800's. 
 

Summary - very accurate; a beautiful tube but not for bass-heads.

 

2. Cifte - Here are my listening notes with both the LCD-3 and HD 800 - "beautiful, lush (very lush and strong, detailed bass with the LCD-3's), warm overall sound; medium-wide soundstage";

 

They also did very well with Denon D7000's, although these phones are so dark anyway that the highs sometimes felt like they were missing a little when compared to the HD 800 and LCD-3 - this was subtle; the overall sound was excellent.

 

They did not do as well with the Beyer DT880's; for some reason the bass and mids were not balanced and the highs were overdone.

 

Audio-Technica phones are a perpetual mystery to me; sometimes they sounded very good with the Cifte's; other times not, and I have no explanation (must be me!). This also happens with other tubes and solid state amps.  This is with AD900X, AD2000 and AD2000X.

 

Summary - very slightly warm; very euphonic and pleasing; need to pay attention to synergy with particular headphones (and sources too).

 

3. Russian tubes/Voskhods - These tubes have always, to me, added treble into the equation. They are not "tizzy", but they do emphasize the highs at the expense of the mids and lows, and sometimes they can seem a little harsh because of this. That said, I love them with certain setups. They work great with cans like the Denon D7000's which are dark by nature. The DT880's did better with these tubes and the Audio-Technica's did very well too.

 

Summary - Tubes with treble on steroids; can be fabulous with the right phones, but unbalanced with others.

 

4. Siemens - I actually can't find my notes for these, and I haven't listened to them in a long time, so I can't say too much, other than that I remember them as being pretty neutral, along the lines of the Telefunkens, but not as refined.

 

5. Mullards - I also listen to Mullards a good bit and they tend to be on the warmer side, but are very euphonic and lush with the right phones.  The DT880's (600 ohm) came alive with these; here are my notes - " An interesting and unique soundscape, different from all other phones; not as much bass as I expected with the Mullards, but the mids are incredible; enough reason to keep these headphones even if they sounded lousy with everything else."

 

Strangely, the Audio-Technica's often sounded good with the Mullards as well. It's unusual that a dark tube (Mullard) and a bright tube (Russians) both make a headphone sound good. I'll chalk it off to the quirkiness of the AT phones that I have yet to figure out (as I said earlier).

 

Summary - Warm, lush tubes that helped to give the term "tube sound" its name. A must-have tube.

 
Jan 28, 2014 at 6:08 AM Post #460 of 1,147
  OK, here goes:

 
1. Telefunken - To my ears, these tubes render a balanced and accurate representation across all frequencies. They are definitely NOT bass heavy, but accurate (to me), and I love them for classical music. They made my LCD-3's sound better than any other tubes I've tried with the Pan Am and they were equally good with the HD 800's. 
 

Summary - very accurate; a beautiful tube but not for bass-heads.

 

2. Cifte - Here are my listening notes with both the LCD-3 and HD 800 - "beautiful, lush (very lush and strong, detailed bass with the LCD-3's), warm overall sound; medium-wide soundstage";

 

They also did very well with Denon D7000's, although these phones are so dark anyway that the highs sometimes felt like they were missing a little when compared to the HD 800 and LCD-3 - this was subtle; the overall sound was excellent.

 

They did not do as well with the Beyer DT880's; for some reason the bass and mids were not balanced and the highs were overdone.

 

Audio-Technica phones are a perpetual mystery to me; sometimes they sounded very good with the Cifte's; other times not, and I have no explanation (must be me!). This also happens with other tubes and solid state amps.  This is with AD900X, AD2000 and AD2000X.

 

Summary - very slightly warm; very euphonic and pleasing; need to pay attention to synergy with particular headphones (and sources too).

 

3. Russian tubes/Voskhods - These tubes have always, to me, added treble into the equation. They are not "tizzy", but they do emphasize the highs at the expense of the mids and lows, and sometimes they can seem a little harsh because of this. That said, I love them with certain setups. They work great with cans like the Denon D7000's which are dark by nature. The DT880's did better with these tubes and the Audio-Technica's did very well too.

 

Summary - Tubes with treble on steroids; can be fabulous with the right phones, but unbalanced with others.

 

4. Siemens - I actually can't find my notes for these, and I haven't listened to them in a long time, so I can't say too much, other than that I remember them as being pretty neutral, along the lines of the Telefunkens, but not as refined.

 

5. Mullards - I also listen to Mullards a good bit and they tend to be on the warmer side, but are very euphonic and lush with the right phones.  The DT880's (600 ohm) came alive with these; here are my notes - " An interesting and unique soundscape, different from all other phones; not as much bass as I expected with the Mullards, but the mids are incredible; enough reason to keep these headphones even if they sounded lousy with everything else."

 

Strangely, the Audio-Technica's often sounded good with the Mullards as well. It's unusual that a dark tube (Mullard) and a bright tube (Russians) both make a headphone sound good. I'll chalk it off to the quirkiness of the AT phones that I have yet to figure out (as I said earlier).

 

Summary - Warm, lush tubes that helped to give the term "tube sound" its name. A must-have tube.

Wow! Thank you very much sir for the very informative input! BTW sir do you think that the mullards can tame hd800 treble if I find it bright?
I ordered mullard tubes and very interested in getting an HD800 after auditioning it with my pan am using siemens but I am worried because the siemens although smoothen the treble a bit is still bright that I might have a listening fatigue overtime and also are those tubes sir all 6ak5w?
 
Jan 28, 2014 at 7:36 AM Post #461 of 1,147
I don't see the need for AA batteries, try using Astro external battery packs which outputs 12 volts.
 
Jan 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM Post #462 of 1,147
  Wow! Thank you very much sir for the very informative input! BTW sir do you think that the mullards can tame hd800 treble if I find it bright?
I ordered mullard tubes and very interested in getting an HD800 after auditioning it with my pan am using siemens but I am worried because the siemens although smoothen the treble a bit is still bright that I might have a listening fatigue overtime and also are those tubes sir all 6ak5w?

 
My pleasure!
 
All of the tubes are 6AK5's or 6AK5W's.  Strangely, I  don't recall listening to the Mullards with my HD 800's, but I suspect that they would do very well with them. They sounded excellent with the Telefunkens and even with the Russian tubes, which is odd since the Russians seem so bright with other phones.
 
Feb 7, 2014 at 7:33 AM Post #463 of 1,147
   
My pleasure!
 
All of the tubes are 6AK5's or 6AK5W's.  Strangely, I  don't recall listening to the Mullards with my HD 800's, but I suspect that they would do very well with them. They sounded excellent with the Telefunkens and even with the Russian tubes, which is odd since the Russians seem so bright with other phones.

I see. Btw which has warmer sound: the cifte or mullards? :)
 
Feb 7, 2014 at 8:01 AM Post #464 of 1,147
Anyway my mullards finally arrived yesterday. Compared to siemens, the bass has more impact and it provides better dynamics although I think that siemens is slightly more spacious and smoother than mullards. With the ad2kx both tube sounds good but with the dt990 mullard is clearly the better tube for it. With the siemens, the dt900 somehow lose the attack that makes in fun to listen but with the mullards, the midrange has been brought up while still retaining the attack.
 

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