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post #1201 of 2007
The ones without S/Ns are those sold under the counter by a member here

I bought mine from sony store japan and got a serial number, no problem with updating and/or SQ-wise
post #1202 of 2007
So it kinda sounds like those experiencing problems are those that purchased grey market or factory seconds?

Has anyone that purchased a legitimate boxed version had a problem with the upgrade?

I think we should be clear where the problem is. New buyers shouldn't unfairly think it's a Sony issue If the problem is unofficial/grey/seconds gear. Let's make sure we lay the blame appropriately.
Edited by severim - 12/13/12 at 8:40pm
post #1203 of 2007
deleted, double post (damn mobile)
post #1204 of 2007
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Originally Posted by severim View Post

So it kinda sounds like those experiencing problems are those that purchased grey market or factory seconds?
Has anyone that purchased a legitimate boxed version had a problem with the upgrade?
I think we should be clear where the problem is. New buyers shouldn't unfairly think it's a Sony issue If the problem is unofficial/grey/seconds gear. Let's make sure we lay the blame appropriately.

 

It appears that the grey market items are the one that are not able to upgrade.  You get what you pay for in this case.  Not all bad though, the grey market one is over $150 cheaper for 64GB F807 version and has yet to crash on me once.

post #1205 of 2007

I also have a serial number of my F806 and there's no problem with upgrade. I bought it from http://www.computeruniverse.net/ in retail box.


Edited by Studio - 12/13/12 at 11:19pm
post #1206 of 2007

I've read that the F player has more treble quantity than the X Walkman. How about in terms of bass and mid-range quantities? And how about details? Does the X Walkman sound fuller than the F Walkman?

 

How about the Z Walkman? I've read that the Z Walkman has more bass than the F player. Does it do other things better as well?

 

Overall, what's the best sounding of the three?

Thanks.

post #1207 of 2007
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Originally Posted by dissembled View Post

I've read that the F player has more treble quantity than the X Walkman. How about in terms of bass and mid-range quantities? And how about details? Does the X Walkman sound fuller than the F Walkman?

 

How about the Z Walkman? I've read that the Z Walkman has more bass than the F player. Does it do other things better as well?

 

Overall, what's the best sounding of the three?

Thanks.

Search function is your friend really.  I answered this several time already, but here my take on F vs. X walkman.  I will try to write more on the F vs. Z comparison.

 

X vs. F Walkman

 

-Bass: Similar amount of bass output with slightly more quantity on the F.  The F reaches lower to my ears with tighter sounding bass.  The X's bass is looser and more "round" sounding.  I find the F to has better bass definition.

-Treble:  The F is more superior without a doubt.  The X's treble frequency is certainly more rolled off to my ears.

-Details:  The F has better details for me thanks to its better overall clarity.  

-Tonality: The X is lusher sounding and has darker overall tone while the F has better overall clarity.  I prefer clarity as it is more difficult to achieve that in a portable audio without sounding thin and bright.  

-Soundstage:  The F throws bigger and deeper soundstage as well as superior imaging & width compared to the X.  The X is more 2-D sounding with less precision on imaging.

 

With that said, I find the F to be superior to the X in all aspects with my JH13pro.  I can see others preferring a more lushing sound of X though.  I never notice the F to be lean sounding; however, my JH13pro is also doing my F807 a favor here.  IMO, nothing is absolute and I can see others with brighter IEMs finding the X to suit them better due to a more reserved top-end and warmer sound signature.  Sony did a really good job here in my book and this is not counting that the F's transfer rate is 4 to 5 times faster than that of the X walkman.


Edited by purk - 12/14/12 at 12:59am
post #1208 of 2007

I've found some other tracks with distortion on bass, for example:

http://rghost.ru/download/42231393/912cc467eca2d65ba7bbc9cccaaa267bfc9d7de8/Dominion.flac 

Beginning from 0:38. Especially heard if bass more than +4

Quite disappoining fenomenon... So beautiful sound and such a nasty issue.

Tried on Cowon S9 - no distortion at all. Powerfull and clean bass in that moments.

post #1209 of 2007
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Originally Posted by severim View Post

So it kinda sounds like those experiencing problems are those that purchased grey market or factory seconds?

 

i was one email away from ordering a 'new' unit from a guy on here. he wasn't at all upfront that they were 'grey market' or 'under the counter' so i had no idea really but after a few emails i got the words 'there is no box' alarms rang and i fast u-turned! and am so glad i did now. i'd much rather spend out for a unit i know will be fully supported.


Edited by alphabetagaga - 12/14/12 at 1:22am
post #1210 of 2007
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Originally Posted by Graviton View Post

I've found some other tracks with distortion on bass, for example:

http://rghost.ru/download/42231393/912cc467eca2d65ba7bbc9cccaaa267bfc9d7de8/Dominion.flac 

Beginning from 0:38. Especially heard if bass more than +4

Quite disappoining fenomenon... So beautiful sound and such a nasty issue.

Tried on Cowon S9 - no distortion at all. Powerfull and clean bass in that moments.

what happens if you turn off the equalizer?

post #1211 of 2007
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Originally Posted by Graviton View Post

I've found some other tracks with distortion on bass, for example:
http://rghost.ru/download/42231393/912cc467eca2d65ba7bbc9cccaaa267bfc9d7de8/Dominion.flac 
Beginning from 0:38. Especially heard if bass more than +4
Quite disappoining fenomenon... So beautiful sound and such a nasty issue.
Tried on Cowon S9 - no distortion at all. Powerfull and clean bass in that moments.

I've had some tracks distorting when using Neutron, but not with default player (noticed with IEMs, not portables). Did you test and experience distortion with multiple players?
post #1212 of 2007
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Originally Posted by etherlite View Post

what happens if you turn off the equalizer?
In this case bass level is too low to recognize distortions if they are still present. Seems as if there were gone.
And yes-it's on default sony player. The same situation with other players: EQ off - almost no distortion, but if I try to increase bass - it doesn't increase but distortions appear.
Edited by Graviton - 12/14/12 at 2:48am
post #1213 of 2007

Graviton, just listening to your song, and I did not get any distortion, even if CLEARBASS +10. I use the player with the JVC HA-FXT90 + Comply TS-400. ksc75smile.gif

post #1214 of 2007
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Originally Posted by Studio View Post

Graviton, just listening to your song, and I did not get any distortion, even if CLEARBASS +10. I use the player with the JVC HA-FXT90 + Comply TS-400. ksc75smile.gif

Does the level of bass increase when you set more clearbass? Actually on Clearbass +10 you should have plenty of pounding bass. Or there is just no distortion but the bass doesn't increase?

That's really too strange... Even though I have EU version of player, I tried using aplifier and it didn't remove the destortions. I'm wondering what the problem can be...


Edited by Graviton - 12/14/12 at 3:17am
post #1215 of 2007

Yes, the bass level is increased from 0 to +10, or decreases from 0 to -10. I have a Sony Media Player version 1.4.2 and the latest firmware 1.1. Maybe you have another version?

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