[lee730]

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very nice and informative comparison..
 
so the vocals of the 1p2 sounds more further then 334?
 
are you using stock cable on the 334 and the optional gold cable on the 1p2?
 
 
thanks

Compared to my older model the vocals are slightly more upfront than before and a little thicker. The mids are extremely natural and effortless on these. I consider the mids more on the neutral side and vary from track to track opposed to being exaggerated on every track. Still in a sense they are so detailed in this area that I don't really find them far away either. For me at least the mids(vocals) are very upfront and surrounded by the rest of the presentation (which happens to be in line with my preferences). I'm using the gold cable on them and I'm preferring it over the silver for now at least on my gear. It adds a tad more bass and emphasis on the frequencies. In total it makes them more fun for me to listen to. With the silver cable they are even more detailed and neutral sounding. Going on memory I feel these are even more neutral than the 334s at this point (specifically pointing out the bass and mids). I agree treble is even smoother than before but not lacking any detail (not rolled off to my ears at least). It's quite contrary to that as a matter of fact, more detailed yet smoother. What GG had mentioned about them sounding so natural and effortless is what makes them so amazing. They aren't straining to do anything at all. It's like they are just "owning" it lol.

 

[Saraguie]

 
Nicely expressed. I did not feel audio~inferior and I understood everything you wrote.
 

 
Thanks for taking your time to read that wall of text
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Thanks for taking your time to read that wall of text

 
I forgot to add:  a big MAHALO for taking the time to write it.

 

[Bokyung]

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Thanks for the impressions Bokyung, vey well written and easy to understand. Feels like it could be a real toss up for me, from your description it sounds like the 1plus2 might be the cure for the few isses I have with the 4.Ai but lose some of the aspects I love about 4.Ai.

 
No problem. Ah dilemma, that's a tricky one to cure. Hopefully you can get a demo pair soon
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talk about vocals, which of the two sound emotional to you? or are they on par?
 
 
thanks

 
334 excels with female vocals bit better. Other then that they are pretty on par.

 

[soullinker20]

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[soullinker20]

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334 excels with female vocals bit better. Other then that they are pretty on par.

 
thank you
 
 
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Compared to my older model the vocals are slightly more upfront than before and a little thicker. The mids are extremely natural and effortless on these. I consider the mids more on the neutral side and vary from track to track opposed to being exaggerated on every track. Still in a sense they are so detailed in this area that I don't really find them far away either. For me at least the mids(vocals) are very upfront and surrounded by the reset of the presentation (which happens to be in line with my preferences). I'm using the gold cable on them and I'm preferring it over the silver for now at least on my gear. It adds a tad more bass and emphasis on the frequencies. In total it makes them more fun for me to listen to. With the silver cable they are even more detailed and neutral sounding. Going on memory I feel these are even more neutral than the 334s at this point (specifically pointing out the bass and mids).

 
thanks! well the tg334 don't sound neutral to me because the highs are laid back for me..
 
so the 1p2's vocals are a bit thicker than 334s? am I right?
 
i agree, the gold cable would add more on the bass, i've heard this difference on the Venturecraft's LOD (had more extension)..

 

[lee730]

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thanks! well the tg334 don't sound neutral to me because the highs are laid back for me..
 
so the 1p2's vocals are a bit thicker than 334s? am I right?
 
i agree, the gold cable would add more on the bass, i've heard this difference on the Venturecraft's LOD (had more extension)..

No I think the 334s mids are a tad thicker. The 334s are a long the lines of neutral yet not there either. As you said the treble is lacking in comparison to its mids and bass (I still did pick up a peak in the lower treble upper mids though which made them a bit aggressive in this area). Yet at the same time the emphasis on mids and bass also makes it not neutral. Bass seems to be the most emphasized on them personally.
 
The gold cable also seems to add a touch more to treble and mids IMO.

 

[Bokyung]

Vocals on 1Plus2 is thicker/smoother compared to 334.

 

[lee730]

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Vocals on 1Plus2 is thicker/smoother compared to 334.

Wow we do hear things differently. At least the last time I heard the 334s their mids were very thick.... I think that the imaging on the mids is clearly superior on the 1Plus2s though. What are you driving the 334s with? That could also be playing a big role. I used them out of my DX100 and Studio V the last time I was with Sara.

 

[soullinker20]

the highs on the 334 sounds a bit tinny compared to the sweet highs of W4 which is at the same level with the mids
 
 
 
I guess I'll have to wait VisceriousZERO's incoming 1p2 to find it out which is thicker. thanks to both of you!!
 
I don't find the vocals of the 334s w/ 000 cables thick.. even on ALO cable
 
@lee730 and Bokyung
 
 
this is only my subjective opinion).. i do find the 334s to benefit from burn in like the SM3... first time I put them in, there was something on the vocals like It was lacking in definition or form (sorry for my term) i also experienced this on the SM3 after 24 hrs, the vocals opened up on the SM3.
 
on the 334, what happened was music burn in.. when I listened to them on the headphone out of the ipod classic, I wasn't impressed and thought they were the same with the W4 but with more bass presence and bloat. yes, bass sound bloated to me and the vocals were very very thick.. i plugged them to my r10-dx100's amp and got the same results.. wasn't impressed again and everything sound thick again. that's why if you remember lee730, i prefer the lineout on the dx100. after a while everything changed (burned in already) at first i thought it was the dx100's amp that had burned in but when i came back straight line out on the ipod classic to check this out, this time it was also different the vocals opened up and the thickness was gone (atleast for me) there was more definition and this time emotional.. the bass isn't bloated as before.
 
just my share...

 

[lee730]

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@lee730 and Bokyung
 
the highs on the 334 sounds a bit tinny compared to the sweet highs of W4 which is at the same level with the mids
 
 
 
I guess I'll have to wait VisceriousZERO's incoming 1p2 to find it out which is thicker. thanks to both of you!!
 
I don't find the vocals of the 334s w/ 000 cables thick.. even on ALO cable

Did you find the vocals thick on the stock cable? I guess you could say the compacted nature (compressed) of the 334s sound also contributed to my impressions of the thickness.

 

[soullinker20]

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Did you find the vocals thick on the stock cable? I guess you could say the compacted nature (compressed) of the 334s sound also contributed to my impressions of the thickness.

 
please check my edited post.
 
 
I think the soundstage also contributes or give the impression of thickness.. on ALO vs 000 cable yes it would sound a bit thicker and compressed when compared to the 000 cable
 
 
"I think that the imaging on the mids is clearly superior on the 1Plus2s though"
 
 
being more laid back has its merits in detail retrieval and micro details as well (hd650).. but I wonder how the 000 cable's added soundstage and depth will compare on the 1p2 w/ gold cables..
 
will find out soon.

 

[lee730]

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please check my edited post.
 
 
I think the soundstage also contributes or give the impression of thickness.. on ALO vs 000 cable yes it would sound a bit thicker and compressed when compared to the 000 cable
 
 
"I think that the imaging on the mids is clearly superior on the 1Plus2s though"
 
 
being more laid back has its merits in detail retrieval and micro details as well (hd650).. but I wonder how the 000 cable's added soundstage and depth will compare on the 1p2 w/ gold cables..
 
will find out soon.

 
Thing is soul when you say laid back I don't hear it that way. Laid back generally means rolled off and lacking in detail. The HD650 is laid back in treble with boosted mids and bass. When I say boosted I normally mean overly-emphasized and in a way where it really isn't natural. Not saying is bad but not life like is how I put it. Although I do feel a little extra emphasis puts it in that ball park of natural (particularly mids and bass). Treble for the most part IMO is the most emphasized in general on most gear so I don't see too much need to go overboard on that area lol. Maybe when I get a bit older I'll appreciate even more emphasis.

 

[soullinker20]

hmm but isn't the W4 laid back? as what others are saying...
 
details I mean the details all over a song as they sound more rounded having ample spaces between each instrument

 

[lee730]

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hmm but isn't the W4 laid back? as what others are saying...
 
details I mean the details all over a song as they sound more rounded having ample spaces between each instrument

Well there is a distinction between laid back (rolled off) and  "laid back" (utterly neutral and boring lol) which the 1Plus2 is none of those. Pretty much I associate laid back with rolled off though and I think that is generally what the term is associated with. The sound stage is very spacious I feel yet not so spacious where you are straining to hear detail at all (what I refer to as distant sound, so when I here distant used I normally associate it with a negative). That is what makes them so different and interesting. Yet the presentation is very smooth in nature so easy on the ears as well. A lot of time smooth is also associated with rolled off and I can tell you right now that isn't the case either. . I figured I'd try to clarify this as it may be misleading to others if not.

 

[soullinker20]

yeah we perceive things differently on the case of a laid back signature.. I'm glad non of those is on the 1p2 but i'll have to hear it first..
 
but if you take SM3 vs W4 for example.. sm3 isn't laid back which the W4 is.. after countless of hours of AB i hear more details on the W4 clearly.. if the vocals are pushed forward it kinda masks some details especially on some drum beats.. this is where I find the w4's laidbackness more detailed for me than the sm3..