Originally Posted by Jeremypsp
True that! The only reason why IEMs use 6-8 drivers is usually because of advertising.
Originally Posted by Sil3nce
Dual armatures like the ck-10 and ck90 mk2 compare much more favorably than triple or quad drivers.
Why don't you see headphones using multi drivers? There's no need. The best "recognized" cans in the world use a thin film and a simple static current flow. One diaphragm is enough to cover all frequencies. Anything else is arguable and controversial.
You get to a point where the headphones or iem is technically proficient enough. It becomes a matter of preference from then on. I prefer my ck-10's presentation over the jh-13 demo. Does that mean I'm crazy? Not at all.
Comparing IEM's and Headphones is like comparing apples and oranges. Same class of item, yet different entities entirely.
I'm not stating that your preference of the CK10 over the JH-13 is bad. I never asserted that. That's a perfectly fine opinion, but to come to the defense of the JH13, a demo will never sound as good as the true custom.
And a last point, remember, the McGurk effect, sound is effected by our other senses such as visual perception. Once you establish this mindset that you have so adamantly formed, you will never objectively view anything else. <3
Originally Posted by Jeremypsp
I think you're completely wrong at that point. A Final Audio FI-BA-SS has only a single balanced armature and it's able to cover the whole frequency range very well, I would say it sounds more accurate, neutral and detailed than a JH16. The ER-4 too, it has only a single driver, yet cover the frequency range pretty well. And do we need to dwell anymore into multiple ones? Customs like the UM Mage and Aero have only 3 and 4 drivers respectively, yet is able to cover the frequency range so well, in no way lacking compared to a JH16, 13 or Miracle. I can agree that more drivers can cover a wider frequency range? But seriously? 6-8 drivers for that? There are only the most discernible frequency we can hear which is highs, mids and lows, which means we only need 3 or 4 in the maximum.
The word you used hear "if done properly" applies on what you have said. Having 6-8 drivers even if done properly can't sound as accurate or neutral as compared to a ER-4 or UERM. I think you're the one ignorant here, unless you heard those IEMs yourself and compared, I don't think you have the right to speak based on factual science, because sound is subjective.
This is the reason that I hate trying to have a civil argument with persons on the internet. I never made the point that a single balanced armature driver COULDN'T cover the frequency range well. Did I say that it couldn't? Furthermore, how can you compare the JH16 to the Final Audio FI-BA-SS when the JH16 is marketed as bass heavy headphone. In addition, I highly doubt that you're an authority on which sounds better seeing as you haven't owned either yet you have tested it (anyone can test things, doesn't give them credence, and if you didn't realize there are a lot more polarized opinions with the Final Audio FI-BA-SS than other similar priced and lower priced IEM's such as the JH16, UM Miracle).
Etymotic also makes great single balanced armature driver in ear monitors yet I'm willing to bet that a majority of Head-Fiers will find it lacking certain aspects bar accuracy. Your points are moot. Seriously, did I say that a in ear monitor with less drivers cannot perform as well as current balanced armature IEM's with up to 8 drivers? No. Is your definition of sounding "better" subjective and lack any technical backing. Yes. We don't only need 3 or 4 in the maximum, more can be better as it offers more potential. However, I do also believe in the concept of diminishing marginal returns and it would be hard to hear the distinctions offered by the extra drivers.
6-8 drivers done properly "can't sound accurate or neutral as compared to a ER-4 or UERM." Are you kidding me? They are literally marketed as reference monitors designed for a flat and neutral sound. You obviously haven't owned any other customs, nor have I, that are also designated to be a reference neutral sound because your opinion is severely lacking. I'm sure if any serious research was done by a group of audiologist in conjunction with sound engineers and other related fields, my assertions would prove that multiple balanced armatures indeed gives the possibility of higher potential.
One quick note, although I cannot state at which point this applies, I would like to clarify that I am not stating that 20 drivers is better than 8, and even if it was the difference would be indistinguishable, there is a point of diminishing marginal returns and at the point additional balanced armature drivers in all likelihood probably prove detrimental to the overall sound quality and fidelity.
Edited by Cassadian - 5/18/12 at 12:01am