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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Too much lower mids/fundamentals and not enough upper mids/harmonics perhaps.  Female vocals don't reach down into the bass.

 

Hmm well I don;t understand then why the DT 990 had a bassy tone to her voice, it may have been just like you said, But both the HE 400and Dt 990 have WAY to much Low mid in her voice 

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Without any EQ the HE400 is flat from 40 > 650hz... Unlike something like the HD650 for example which has a big hump in the lower mids / bass.... Maybe it sounds "bassy" because the upper mids are not forward.

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Without any EQ the HE400 is flat from 40 > 650hz... Unlike something like the HD650 for example which has a big hump in the lower mids / bass.... Maybe it sounds "bassy" because the upper mids are not forward.

 

my dt 880 does not sound bassy, and the mids on it are also not forward either 

in fact you do rember the DT 990 has recessed mids [well recessed central and upper mids, the low mids are not forward] 

 

Still the Dt 880 and W1000x both have cleaner more balanced vocals, than the not even dark but bassy vocals on the HE 400 it may be again to much low mids and not enough upper like you said 

 

actually I'm watching the new Legend of Korra Episode and the female voice actors also sound bassy , 

 

Still that Bass is nice! I'm happy to have these as my New EDM cans :3, excited to hear them with the new cable to :D 

 

Now that said, Wood winds have an excellent sound to them! And children's voices sound just fine! 


Edited by Mshenay - 9/28/13 at 1:46pm
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The vocals are not perfect on the HE400 but are good sometimes depending on the song.... The strength of the HE400 is the bass and lower mids for EDM, the upper mids and treble could be better but with EQ and mods they are pretty good. I have seperate EQ settings depending on the quality / brightness / sibilance of the recordings / Mp3, I have a normal setting and a smooth setting, one with about 3-5db reduction on the treble and one with about 5-8db reduction. Try doing that.


Edited by nicholars - 9/28/13 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

The vocals are not perfect on the HE400 but are good sometimes depending on the song.... The strength of the HE400 is the bass and lower mids for EDM, the upper mids and treble could be better but with EQ and mods they are pretty good. I have seperate EQ settings depending on the quality / brightness / sibilance of the recordings / Mp3, I have a normal setting and a smooth setting, one with about 3-5db reduction on the treble and one with about 5-8db reduction. Try doing that.

 

that's ok I'll give the upper mids a bump, but again I got these just for EDM, for which they are really top notch! 

 

No reason to make them balanced when I already own a balanced headphone 

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post

I feel quite sad to say this, but I've really tried with these cans since February.  There's so many things I love about them, but I'm an orchestral musician and need to not have that artificial spike in treble.  I've tried it straight, through a tube amp, through a full size old Arcam.  Of course, some recordings are worse and some better and when it comes to artifical sounds, like electronic music and the like, where there's no right or wrong in terms of timbre, these things are amazing!  They rock my socks off in so many ways, but trying to listen to real instruments recorded live, such as big orchestras and the like, they are grating me.  That treble spike amounts to a defect for me.  Yes, I've tried pad mods etc.  Admittedly, I didn't finish the jerg mod with sub bass mod etc., but I still always preferred the velours by far.  I don't want to see these go, but I might have to change them for something else.  Would the HE-4 satisfy me?  I dunno?  The HE-500?  I want realism and neutrality.  I have an ancient pair of AKG K240DFs and I so wish I could transplant the HE-400 bass onto them!

I did message Modular about his new batch of pads but haven't heard back.  I would try them.  I would try anything, becuase they are SO nearly there!  I'm in the middle of a rare extended late night listening session for myself at the moment.  A few beers, and free reign to all sorts of weird and wonderful recordings.  I keep flipping back to my HD598s just to experience the warmth and humanity in certain records as the very nature of these HifiMans are drawing my attention away from the music!  But, theHD598s lack the dynamics and all out vividness of these orthos.  So frustrating having spent so much money (not that they are not worth it).  I'm absolutely understanding of anyone who loves these cans and I have with pleasure blown my friends' minds when they've come over with these things.  But, when you play regularly in a big symphony orchestra (I play trumpet freelance) and various other ensembles - when you know what that sound is like, I can't help but be dissapointed with the treble spike that just literally adds an unnatural zing to everything.  It ruins it.  It may add air (a bit too much!), but it's a flaw and a hard to stomach flaw at that.  These would be nigh on perfect without that spike.  Also, don't tell me to EQ, because I can't do that on all my setups.  I can't EQ my turntable or CD player through my amp etc...  Also, if I really need to EQ that much or scrabble trying to correct things with pads, it's not right.

Sorry if I seem negative, I love this thread and have quietly read the whole thing, plus it's relevant links.  I'm just disappointed that I don't think I can keep them, yet don't know where to go next without being disappointed after sampling all the great qualities these things have offered me!

Sorry, slightly drunk rant - any input welcome.. 
I agree with you. I bought the 400 strictly for electronic because I have the privilege of owning more than one set. With some EQ the 400 has absolutely blown me away with its bass reproduction and is better than I imagined for electronic. But I'm not really digging other genres with it, which I kind of expected. For classical, I've had the HD800 recommended to me several times, but I don't think I'm going to spend $1500 on my cans for classical. I'm testing the T90 soon and am thinking it will work well for that purpose. But if you can only go with one set as an all-rounder with a nod toward orchestral, something like the K712 may be a good way to go.
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


I agree with you. I bought the 400 strictly for electronic because I have the privilege of owning more than one set. With some EQ the 400 has absolutely blown me away with its bass reproduction and is better than I imagined for electronic. But I'm not really digging other genres with it, which I kind of expected. For classical, I've had the HD800 recommended to me several times, but I don't think I'm going to spend $1500 on my cans for classical. I'm testing the T90 soon and am thinking it will work well for that purpose. But if you can only go with one set as an all-rounder with a nod toward orchestral, something like the K712 may be a good way to go.

 

Agree'd for EDM it's top notch

 

Only going to get better once I get the new cable :3

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hey all considering adding the he 400s to the collection.  I already own sennheiser hd 600s.  Are the he 400s different enough to be worth the money or is it merely a similar flavor in a different package?

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Thread Starter 

The he400 is a very different presentation than the hd600. 

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They're pretty different.  I personally consider the HD600 to have slightly more forward than neutral upper mids, whereas both frequency extremes are rolled off.  HE-400 is just the opposite of that, where it extends well in both frequencies (too much upper treble in fact), and its upper mids are lowered.

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Originally Posted by Jmstrmbn View Post

hey all considering adding the he 400s to the collection.  I already own sennheiser hd 600s.  Are the he 400s different enough to be worth the money or is it merely a similar flavor in a different package?
I would call it night and day
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I feel voices are well executed with the he400s. Maybe its been too long since the dt880 but I thought the 880s were more V shaped.
post #13153 of 17615
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

I feel voices are well executed with the he400s. Maybe its been too long since the dt880 but I thought the 880s were more V shaped.

 

Depends greatly on the pads. The DT880's are extremely neutral with stock pads. V-shaped with DT770 or J$ pads.

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I want to bring out the upper mids and straighten out the treble on the 400s, what frequencies should I EQ? (I've been trying out different ones but I can't seem to get it right.)

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4 kHz +3dB
8 kHz -3-4 dB
16 kHz -5 dB

That is if you haven't got acces to more precise EQ tool. What are u using?
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