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LarryKingsShoes · Feb 25, 2013 at 9:47 PM

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disastermouse said:
Ordered Thursday, shipped Friday, received Monday (From California to Georgia, no less)!

When I order protein from California, it takes a week and a half - so I guess I'm just pleasantly surprised!

Ah, good deal. That's great timing. Admittedly, Amazon Prime has spoiled me; it makes waiting longer than two days for a package seem like a nightmare. It sounds like this will work out nicely.

j0val · Feb 25, 2013 at 10:06 PM

mickeyvee said:
Any chance you could do the Modi with the A2? Would definitely hold you out until the Bifrost.

I was thinking that, couldn't find any impressions about the combo though. I guess it would be better than nothing regardless

Deathdeisel · Feb 25, 2013 at 10:20 PM

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j0val said:
I was thinking that, couldn't find any impressions about the combo though. I guess it would be better than nothing regardless

I have it. Not the A2, but the original Asgard and Modi. Compared to the ODAC which I previously had, I can tell no difference really. Honestly if I were you, id buy the Modi, and see how you feel then, whether or not you wanna upgrade then, by all means.

vaed · Feb 25, 2013 at 10:31 PM

So after being to a meet, I have the HE-500's in mind for an upgrade in the distant future. Since the A2 is coming in, I'm wondering if it's a good investment for the HE-500's in the future, I'd love any impressions on those and/or the Mad Dogs (which I own). I'm aware that there are mixed opinions on the A1 for the HE-500's, though the power seems to be the same, I wonder if nevertheless there'll be improvements.

rdaneel · Feb 26, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Looks like I'm joining the Schiit club, too. I have always had my eye on the Lyr, so when I saw a nicely modded one show up on the classifieds, I had to jump on it. Cant wait to compare it to my Emo and Burson.

j0val · Feb 26, 2013 at 1:17 AM

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deathdeisel said:
I have it. Not the A2, but the original Asgard and Modi. Compared to the ODAC which I previously had, I can tell no difference really. Honestly if I were you, id buy the Modi, and see how you feel then, whether or not you wanna upgrade then, by all means.

I might just do that in a couple months. Thinking about selling my recently purchased Grado sr225i's, so maybe that will help me justify spending another $100.

Deathdeisel · Feb 26, 2013 at 1:42 AM

I forget, are you just going with an onboard soundcard atm? If so its EASILY justifiable. Of course let me rephrase, if you have a laptop, do it now. If you have a good home tower, then the results will be less noticeable. Still easily, but less than laptop sound cards(they usually suck, mine included).

j0val · Feb 26, 2013 at 2:49 AM

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deathdeisel said:
I forget, are you just going with an onboard soundcard atm? If so its EASILY justifiable. Of course let me rephrase, if you have a laptop, do it now. If you have a good home tower, then the results will be less noticeable. Still easily, but less than laptop sound cards(they usually suck, mine included).

Got a tower. Pretty sure I'm gonna go with the modi for the time being, Also considering the ODAC too though. Probably going to eventually end up with the bifrost next year.

Iamnothim · Feb 26, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I am so, very, sorry, but this is like wounded wildebeest limping past a lion....

markm1 · Feb 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Newbie alert.

Can the Billforst and Modi work as a DAC for speakers as well as HP's?

I've just bought a Onyko internet receiver that can stream Internet stations and and acces PC music from a wifi network . If I wanted to use one of these DACs though the receiver rather than a copmuter to stream, listen to music from my PC from my network through the receiver, I'm curious if I can use one of these DAC w speakers as well as HP's?

Just trying to make a good first DAC purchase and trying to kill as many birds w/ one stone.

Thanks!

Mark

Iamnothim · Feb 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Sure.

A DAC sits between the source and amplification and has nothing to do with speaker impedance.
That's the amp's domain.

The DAC will be a "source" on your receiver. Just as Internet stream is one, or a DVD player is another.
EDIT: The Onyko has internal DACs, one is used for the Internet Stream. In the case of PC media files, the Bifrost or Modi stems in-between and handles that function.

markm1 · Feb 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM

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iamnothim said:
Sure.

A DAC sits between the source and amplification and has nothing to do with speaker impedance.
That's the amp's domain.

The DAC will be a "source" on your receiver. Just as Internet stream is one, or a DVD player is another.
EDIT: The Onyko has internal DACs, one is used for the Internet Stream. In the case of PC media files, the Bifrost or Modi stems in-between and handles that function.

Cool-thanks for that Crystal clear explanation!

I assume the same would apply if you are accessing an ipod/iphone through a USB connection as part of the recieiver.

Never having owned one, I'm sort of turning my head sideways trying to conceptualize the set up....appreciate it.

Iamnothim · Feb 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM

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markm1 said:
Cool-thanks for that Crystal clear explanation!

I assume the same would apply if you are accessing an ipod/iphone through a USB connection as part of the recieiver.

Never having owned one, I'm sort of turning my head sideways trying to conceptualize the set up....appreciate it.

A DAC is all about "clocking". How many times per second a source is sampled.
Note to readers: This is not a complete explanation. Just trying to convey concepts.

When music is recorded there is a complimentary device called an ADC "Analog to Digital Converter".
When the analog waves pulses from an instrument hit the microphone they go to the analog side of the ADC.

When you see frequency numbers like 44.1 kHz or 96kHz that is the clock rate or number or analog samples taken each second.
kHz is 1000 samples taken in one second. Hence when you see a digital music file that is labeled 96 kHz that means that 96,000 "samples" (like free food at Costco) were taken every second and converted to bits and written to a music file. If you are using iTunes, under songs list, you can go to view options and click on "sample rate".

A DAC is the converse of an ADC. It takes the digital file, un-samples it and turns it to an analog source for your amp to amplify.

Edit. The quality of the music from a digital source has a lot to do with the specialized processor that performs the conversion, as well as the "stability" of the clock source and synchronization between the audio source (computer) and the DAC. This "clock sync is done over the interface. Optical Toslink or USB. There is endless debate over which is better.
Edit2: That is what you are paying for in a DAC.
Edit3: The quality of the recording / source music and how it gets to the ADC inn the studio is IMO the most important part of all.

paradoxper · Feb 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM

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iamnothim said:
I am so, very, sorry, but this is like wounded wildebeest limping past a lion....

Symbolism of the utmost snobbery.

LarryKingsShoes · Feb 26, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I like the sound of an Apple but I find Windows 8 to have a more refined sound character. It sounds better for dubstep.

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