Double Helix Cables Thread
Sep 22, 2016 at 9:51 PM Post #1,141 of 2,056
Do you have experience using the DHC Silver Complement 4 with the HE1000. That is the cable I ordered a couple of weeks ago for use with my HE1000 (also ordered adapters for the LCD-4 and Utopia). I would be interested in learning more about the improved SQ the Prion brings compared to the Complement.


I haven't heard the Silver Complement 4 but the reviews have been extremely positive so you're likely to be impressed.
 
Sep 28, 2016 at 6:42 AM Post #1,143 of 2,056
I come with a considerable hi-fi background but head-fi is relatively new for me. I do think that cables can make a major difference particularly in high sound quality systems. But unfortunately the cable market is rife with super price gouging and in some cases snake oil. And in some others, snake molasses - I will never forget the beautiful looking thickish purple Kimber power cords that came with some EMM CD transport & DAC gear I had a number of years back - the best upgrade I made was to replace them with $15 Belden power cables which restored the dynamics with no detriment to anything else.
 
I would like to thank you all for a very useful thread. Head-Fi is such a great resource with some very helpful contributors. This thread has given me confidence that DHC is the real thing at a reasonable price. I was looking for good cables to replace the SE cable supplied with my AKG T5p Gen2 so that I can go balanced into my Onkyo PD-X1 and after reading this thread I placed my order 2 weeks ago for the DHC 4-wire Silver Peptide pure OCC silver litz. Now I just need to sit and wait. There is nothing like delayed gratification.
 
I would be grateful for some help. My non-portable headphone system is an Esoteric K0-3x feeding a modified Stax RM-007tII and SR-L700 phones. The best cable I have is a custom silver cable specifically designed to go from a pre to a power amp and it is single ended at the Esoteric end with balanced connectors at the SRM-007tII end. I do not think that this is an ideal cable for this particular application. While it gives a very naturally detailed sound I think it is lacking dynamics. I also have a pair of Audioquest balanced Cheetah cables but I perceive them as a little aggressive and lacking the detail of the custom ones. The Esoteric is meant to deliver its best balanced out so I am looking for a good silver balanced cable and am considering the DHC Spore4 Silver Reference Interconnects. A balanced set with Abbatron USA-made tellurium copper/gold 3-pin XLRs terminations will cost $1,499. If I do this I wonder whether it is overboard given that they will cost more than the SR-L700 which I paid $1,025 for. But I guess that if these interconnects work out I will have something that will allow me to get the best of any future headphones upgrade eg say the Stax SR-009 successor whenever they are released and assuming I go for them - but this may never happen. I guess these are the typical ramblings of a hi-fier.  Any thoughts would be most appreciated!
 
Oct 2, 2016 at 2:59 AM Post #1,144 of 2,056
  I come with a considerable hi-fi background but head-fi is relatively new for me. I do think that cables can make a major difference particularly in high sound quality systems. But unfortunately the cable market is rife with super price gouging and in some cases snake oil. And in some others, snake molasses - I will never forget the beautiful looking thickish purple Kimber power cords that came with some EMM CD transport & DAC gear I had a number of years back - the best upgrade I made was to replace them with $15 Belden power cables which restored the dynamics with no detriment to anything else.
 
I would like to thank you all for a very useful thread. Head-Fi is such a great resource with some very helpful contributors. This thread has given me confidence that DHC is the real thing at a reasonable price. I was looking for good cables to replace the SE cable supplied with my AKG T5p Gen2 so that I can go balanced into my Onkyo PD-X1 and after reading this thread I placed my order 2 weeks ago for the DHC 4-wire Silver Peptide pure OCC silver litz. Now I just need to sit and wait. There is nothing like delayed gratification.
 
I would be grateful for some help. My non-portable headphone system is an Esoteric K0-3x feeding a modified Stax RM-007tII and SR-L700 phones. The best cable I have is a custom silver cable specifically designed to go from a pre to a power amp and it is single ended at the Esoteric end with balanced connectors at the SRM-007tII end. I do not think that this is an ideal cable for this particular application. While it gives a very naturally detailed sound I think it is lacking dynamics. I also have a pair of Audioquest balanced Cheetah cables but I perceive them as a little aggressive and lacking the detail of the custom ones. The Esoteric is meant to deliver its best balanced out so I am looking for a good silver balanced cable and am considering the DHC Spore4 Silver Reference Interconnects. A balanced set with Abbatron USA-made tellurium copper/gold 3-pin XLRs terminations will cost $1,499. If I do this I wonder whether it is overboard given that they will cost more than the SR-L700 which I paid $1,025 for. But I guess that if these interconnects work out I will have something that will allow me to get the best of any future headphones upgrade eg say the Stax SR-009 successor whenever they are released and assuming I go for them - but this may never happen. I guess these are the typical ramblings of a hi-fier.  Any thoughts would be most appreciated!

Well, cables do make a difference on the sound. Although you should ask yourself if it's worth to spent so much money on. Most likely for the price of cables you could buy a better dac/amp or headphone. Yet it comes down to balancing the audio-setup. To be fair, having some cheap-ass plastic/rubber cables as cable chain between the high-end components just doesn't feel right. Apart from performance-difference it also does something to the aesthetics. Some people do not care about the aesthetics neither the few percentages of better sound. If you are not thinking of changing your setup any time soon,  guess you could consider it.  I bought the whole cable-chain of DHC. ^.^ 
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 10:53 AM Post #1,145 of 2,056

 


 
 
Cables did arrive. My first short impression. First you have to know something of me. I am not influenced by money/reputation/marketing-purposes or anything else. If a product is bad, I would say it. Trust me. For me it was a gamble too to buy a full-aftermarket cable chain. I did read many reviews of people about aftermarket cables. Did read reviews were reviewers say that they notice a difference in sound. Others report that it is snake-oil. I had my own doubts to. Yet I made the decision to order it with in my mind : "If I don't hear a difference, then it's okay the cables do feel and look aesthetically better".

Well I could clearly say that it isn't snake-oil. I notice a big difference compared to the stock HD800S cable and audioquest-forest cables. If it's worth the price, well that is open for debate.
Everyone has his own budget and motivation. For me it worth it.

Short impression results:
- It is like a filter-layer has been lifted. The music sounds much more alive. Especially the vocals and instruments have more dynamics (space to breath)
- The bass-separation is better defined. The HD800S is known for having some trouble with the sub-bass (which sound a bit distorted).  It was really noticeable with the stock HD800S cable ( and Audioquest Forest cables). The DHC cables do fix this issue completely. I am soooo happy with this.
- I notice a lot less noise on high-volume-levels. This is really remarkable. I could easily crank up the volume to 60/70% (on high gain setting) without noticing any noise-harshness / unpleasant sound.   


I am really happy with the cables Peter made for me. <3. 


Edit : Will review it later on twitch. 
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 11:12 AM Post #1,146 of 2,056
 
 


 
 
Cables did arrive. My first short impression. First you have to know something of me. I am not influenced by money/reputation/marketing-purposes or anything else. If a product is bad, I would say it. Trust me. For me it was a gamble too to buy a full-aftermarket cable chain. I did read many reviews of people about aftermarket cables. Did read reviews were reviewers say that they notice a difference in sound. Others report that it is snake-oil. I had my own doubts to. Yet I made the decision to order it with in my mind : "If I don't hear a difference, then it's okay the cables do feel and look aesthetically better".

Well I could clearly say that it isn't snake-oil. I notice a big difference compared to the stock HD800S cable and audioquest-forest cables. If it's worth the price, well that is open for debate.
Everyone has his own budget and motivation. For me it worth it.

Short impression results:
- It is like a filter-layer has been lifted. The music sounds much more alive. Especially the vocals and instruments have more dynamics (space to breath)
- The bass-separation is better defined. The HD800S is known for having some trouble with the sub-bass (which sound a bit distorted).  It was really noticeable with the stock HD800S cable ( and Audioquest Forest cables). The DHC cables do fix this issue completely. I am soooo happy with this.
- I notice a lot less noise on high-volume-levels. This is really remarkable. I could easily crank up the volume to 60/70% without noticing any noise-harshness / unpleasant sound.   


I am really happy with the cables Peter made for me. <3. 

 


Completely agree with your assessment! No doubt, these are expensive cables BUT there is a significant improvement from other cables I've tried. Highly recommended.
 
Oct 14, 2016 at 4:30 PM Post #1,147 of 2,056
Great looking set up!!  If you like World of Warcraft, give Overwatch a try.  Great times to be had.  Glad to hear you like your cables.  I recently ordered a full set from Peter as well for my Utopia (assuming it ever ships)...
 
Oct 15, 2016 at 12:00 AM Post #1,148 of 2,056
  Great looking set up!!  If you like World of Warcraft, give Overwatch a try.  Great times to be had.  Glad to hear you like your cables.  I recently ordered a full set from Peter as well for my Utopia (assuming it ever ships)...

Thank you Ashrunner. I will tryout overwatch. It will ship, just takes 3-4 months mostly. Patience is a virtue (yet it is hard, I know :D
 
Oct 29, 2016 at 2:15 AM Post #1,149 of 2,056
DHC Prion4 headphone cable has arrived (don't ask what the wait time was). 
 
Before this was running stock 1/4" MrSpeakers cable with cheapo RCA interconnects. Now am running balanced with Silver Spore4 connects and the new Prion4 headphone cable.
 
Wow, what a difference! To tell the truth I was a bit underwhelmed by this system when I put it together, it wasn't quite the hi-fi expreience I was looking for. The DHC cables have really put the finishing touch on it, I can confirm everything that has been said before about Peter's cables, they really do bring your equipment to the next level. I'm really enjoying this now. 
 
Next stop: Ether Flow upgrade!
 
 

 
Oct 29, 2016 at 7:25 AM Post #1,150 of 2,056
Good to hear you are liking the cables, mine should be leaving next week, knock on wood. Interesting tho, not that it matters but your cable has left and right splitting at xlr connection as opposed to split near the end to hp. Pictures so far on his site show a braid unlike your picture.
It will be difficult to a/b my c4 and prion as it is also se versus balanced and GSX mk2 is added to the mix with chaparone 3 interconnects but I'm super stoked. I have been staring at my amp for 5-6 weeks as I can't bring myself to cheap out connection buy, Peter has ruined me, and the wait time is the price of admission.
 
Oct 29, 2016 at 8:29 PM Post #1,151 of 2,056
I asked Peter about this and he told me he prefers to have the cables as separate as possible, and advised against having a splitter high up. I've done a bit of an a/b between my super cheap previous cable set-up against the new ultimate DHC cables, and you can definitely hear a difference. For me, it's really made my system, I wasn't quite getting what I wanted out of it before, I'd want to turn the volume way up to get more but then it would just get too loud. Now it's much more musical, the separation is much better, I'm picking up new things in the mix, loving it!
 
Oct 31, 2016 at 7:00 AM Post #1,153 of 2,056
I'm ordering cables for lcd2 next week. How long exaxtly is wait time? Do they accept more pay for expedited service?

If you read the cover page buy an ak player. Otherwise 3-6 months. Best just to not think about it after you place your order.
 
Oct 31, 2016 at 11:18 AM Post #1,154 of 2,056
I'm ordering cables for lcd2 next week. How long exaxtly is wait time? Do they accept more pay for expedited service?


In my opinion: Ordering from DHC is more akin to old skool Mastrecraftsmen orders. You get bespoke tailored goods when they are ready.

To me DHC cables don't feel like an off-the-shelf product and that is a good thing!

If you change up equipment frequently. This would not be the service for you

For me the average order to delivery time has been around 4-5months. Even when sending in a repair. It is worth the wait in my opinion.

The only thing I wish I would have done last time is take advantage of the 3D printed customizations that really showcase a custom cable.

Definitely doing that with the next cable order.(Easier to justify the wait time when the end product is uniquely styled.)
 
Oct 31, 2016 at 2:00 PM Post #1,155 of 2,056
well all hooked up. The leather carry case
 

 
the chaperone 3 interconnects 3 pin
 


the prion 4 6 ft.
 



sounds fantastic. Well just getting used to gsx mk2 and balanced Hd800S. Can only compare it to stock, which like my se compliment 4 to stock, brought things closer and wider. But the addition of gsx and balanced I am going through a wow moment. Close, separated, clear mid popping, full 3d note like, deep clear bass. I also can't compare the chaperone 3 as its all i have and have listened to through gsx and chord TT. the system sounds really nice, not that i had any complaints before, but with so many changes bringing up micro detail changes in perception, i will stop here and absorb. Thanks to peter though he has done it again, course DHC is all I use so I don't know different. 
Is it worth it? I can't answer that except whatever wait and all, I'm cool with it.
 

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