We don't really post public ads, all positions are filled by word of mouth or through a local job service. This one was via the latter and all applicants were supposedly vetted by them beforehand.

 
 
http://blog.caranddriver.com/freeze-frame-chrysler-pushes-pause-button-on-srt-viper-production/
 
A bit of a bummer, I hope it survives.  I'm guessing they are spot on when they suggest this....

 
 Or maybe Viper’s target buyers heard about just how good the new Chevy Corvette Z06 is, and how the Z06 will remain under $100K with all the boxes checked.

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Yeah, the Viper just had the advantage of an earlier debut than the C7. Now that the two are competing directly, the Viper doesn't look nearly as good.

magick man said:

We don't really post public ads, all positions are filled by word of mouth or through a local job service. This one was via the latter and all applicants were supposedly vetted by them beforehand.

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Begs the question. Who vetts the vetters.

Well, IME, using a job agency normally means that you won't get applicants that are illegal aliens, convicted felons (unless you want them) or obvious mental handicaps (unless you want them). In *theory* they also check the major boxes on your job description - but that's open to interpretation. I have had some interesting candidates sent to me from agencies - like the guy who had a Master's degree in Nuclear Physics and wanted to work as an entry level PC technician. We never did figure out that guy's deal. Or the guy they sent that was literally legally blind - and my job description includes a line that says: "Able to walk up and down stairs carrying up to 30 pounds of computer equipment." The guy would have been great if the position was pure telephone support - but it's not - it's *deskside* support. He was a nice guy, so he got a free lunch out of me...

hutnicks said:

  Hmm. We seem to be turning into the gripe about youth thread.
 
Magick. I'd really like to read your ad copy for the position.
 
There are smart hardworking youth out there, but  they are more difficult to locate than their less motivated brethren.

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Its ok Im still here, its not too bad 

billybob_jcv said:

Well, IME, using a job agency normally means that you won't get applicants that are illegal aliens, convicted felons (unless you want them) or obvious mental handicaps (unless you want them). In *theory* they also check the major boxes on your job description - but that's open to interpretation. I have had some interesting candidates sent to me from agencies - like the guy who had a Master's degree in Nuclear Physics and wanted to work as an entry level PC technician. We never did figure out that guy's deal. Or the guy they sent that was literally legally blind - and my job description includes a line that says: "Able to walk up and down stairs carrying up to 30 pounds of computer equipment." The guy would have been great if the position was pure telephone support - but it's not - it's *deskside* support. He was a nice guy, so he got a free lunch out of me...

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Yeah agenciesl. Those great time savers and substitutes for in house hr expertise.
 
Ask one for a milkshake....................
 

veyrongatti said:

Its ok Im still here, its not too bad 

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We might be old f@rts, but we're the old f@rts that make hiring decisions. So, be smart - leave the hoodie at home when you come to the interview and you will instantly be in the top 5 candidates!

billybob_jcv said:

Well, IME, using a job agency normally means that you won't get applicants that are illegal aliens, convicted felons (unless you want them) or obvious mental handicaps (unless you want them). In *theory* they also check the major boxes on your job description - but that's open to interpretation. I have had some interesting candidates sent to me from agencies - like the guy who had a Master's degree in Nuclear Physics and wanted to work as an entry level PC technician. We never did figure out that guy's deal. Or the guy they sent that was literally legally blind - and my job description includes a line that says: "Able to walk up and down stairs carrying up to 30 pounds of computer equipment." The guy would have been great if the position was pure telephone support - but it's not - it's *deskside* support. He was a nice guy, so he got a free lunch out of me...

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I could imagine that it sucks to find out that your employee of 3 years, whom you've grown fond of, lied on their application and they're wanted for murder in N Dakota, or they spent 5 years in prison for GTA.

ssrock64 said:

Yeah, the Viper just had the advantage of an earlier debut than the C7. Now that the two are competing directly, the Viper doesn't look nearly as good.

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They're still quite unique in their segment. The Sting Ray offering the bang for the buck American supercar experience, fun and refined. While the Viper is a batsh** crazy beast with few manners but tons of personality. They can both exist, but the latter needs to come down in price at least 20% to be viable now.

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I saw the "new" guy during the day, running along with Joyride. He's his new assistant, each FT mechanic (3 of them) has one now, while the PT guy (Porsche/German specialist) works on his own and prefers it that way, and there's 1 P/T "shop boy" (Richard's teenage cousin) who does clean-up and errands. Anyhow, new guy was grinning from ear-to-ear when he walked up to me at the end of the day and asked, "We get paid to do this? I ain't had this much fun since the service. You could charge grown men $500 to work here a day, like one of those make-a-wish things. I didn't think I'd ever get to see any of these cars before, much less get to work on them. This is amazing." He was almost literally beaming.

Then I had an idea and asked him which car is his favorite and with no hesitation he told me, "the yellow Lamborghini in the far corner" then he pointed and gave me the correct bay number. The Miura, he has good taste. So I grabbed the key and asked him to follow me, and when we arrived I got the car ready, tossed him the keys, and said "let's go". "You serious?" I nodded, "Absolutely". He was very careful of course, but we hit a 1 mile straight stretch of road and I told him to "give her some stick" and he did. It was just like he said, "pure music".

billybob_jcv said:

We might be old f@rts, but we're the old f@rts that make hiring decisions. So, be smart - leave the hoodie at home when you come to the interview and you will instantly be in the top 5 candidates!

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Yep, and another key is to know what you want. Don't go into an interview without having an idea about what you want to be paid. Several times I've ran into, "I don't know" or "what do people doing this normally make?" Do some homework beforehand.

Bless the guy's heart, I asked William, our new guy, what he was looking for in terms of pay and he said, "Well, I need to make $9 an hour". I flat out told him it would seriously bother me to pay a person of his experience and knowledge so little, and that the base pay for the job starts at $12.50 and goes up based on those factors (he has 40 years experience, so... yeah). Also the man hasn't had insurance or other benefits most of his life, whenever he was ill he'd go wait at the VA hospital ER, which is 100 miles away, and pay in cash. Also he's never accrued paid vacation time before, unless you count leave while he was in the AF, or sick days. That's just plain wrong. I'm a rather strong libertarian but I'm a firm believer that you pay a person according to their worth, it's part of how you show the people who work for you that you appreciate them. How can they take pride in their work, or respect you as their employer/manager, if you're giving them the shaft? Grrr... sorry, that's one of those things that really presses my buttons. :mad:

Hard to believe at times that in the 21 century there still exist's, and never to far away at that, conditions not too far removed from the 19 century.

billybob_jcv said:

We might be old f@rts, but we're the old f@rts that make hiring decisions. So, be smart - leave the hoodie at home when you come to the interview and you will instantly be in the top 5 candidates!

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I thought you have to wear formal clothes to all interviews anyways? I remember doing the mock interview thingy where we had to all wear formal clothes...... 

magick man said:

Yep, and another key is to know what you want. Don't go into an interview without having an idea about what you want to be paid. Several times I've ran into, "I don't know" or "what do people doing this normally make?" Do some homework beforehand.

Bless the guy's heart, I asked William, our new guy, what he was looking for in terms of pay and he said, "Well, I need to make $9 an hour".

I flat out told him it would seriously bother me to pay a person of his experience and knowledge so little, and that the base pay for the job starts at $12.50 and goes up based on those factors (he has 40 years experience, so... yeah). Also the man hasn't had insurance or other benefits most of his life, whenever he was ill he'd go wait at the VA hospital ER, which is 100 miles away, and pay in cash. Also he's never accrued paid vacation time before, unless you count leave while he was in the AF, or sick days. That's just plain wrong. I'm a rather strong libertarian but I'm a firm believer that you pay a person according to their worth, it's part of how you show the people who work for you that you appreciate them. How can they take pride in their work, or respect you as their employer/manager, if you're giving them the shaft? Grrr... sorry, that's one of those things that really presses my buttons.

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I should bookmark this for future reference 

magick man said:

I saw the "new" guy during the day, running along with Joyride. He's his new assistant, each FT mechanic (3 of them) has one now, while the PT guy (Porsche/German specialist) works on his own and prefers it that way, and there's 1 P/T "shop boy" (Richard's teenage cousin) who does clean-up and errands. Anyhow, new guy was grinning from ear-to-ear when he walked up to me at the end of the day and asked, "We get paid to do this? I ain't had this much fun since the service. You could charge grown men $500 to work here a day, like one of those make-a-wish things. I didn't think I'd ever get to see any of these cars before, much less get to work on them. This is amazing." He was almost literally beaming.

Then I had an idea and asked him which car is his favorite and with no hesitation he told me, "the yellow Lamborghini in the far corner" then he pointed and gave me the correct bay number. The Miura, he has good taste. So I grabbed the key and asked him to follow me, and when we arrived I got the car ready, tossed him the keys, and said "let's go". "You serious?" I nodded, "Absolutely". He was very careful of course, but we hit a 1 mile straight stretch of road and I told him to "give her some stick" and he did. It was just like he said, "pure music".

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magick man said:

Bless the guy's heart, I asked William, our new guy, what he was looking for in terms of pay and he said, "Well, I need to make $9 an hour".

I flat out told him it would seriously bother me to pay a person of his experience and knowledge so little, and that the base pay for the job starts at $12.50 and goes up based on those factors (he has 40 years experience, so... yeah). Also the man hasn't had insurance or other benefits most of his life, whenever he was ill he'd go wait at the VA hospital ER, which is 100 miles away, and pay in cash. Also he's never accrued paid vacation time before, unless you count leave while he was in the AF, or sick days. That's just plain wrong. I'm a rather strong libertarian but I'm a firm believer that you pay a person according to their worth, it's part of how you show the people who work for you that you appreciate them. How can they take pride in their work, or respect you as their employer/manager, if you're giving them the shaft? Grrr... sorry, that's one of those things that really presses my buttons.

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What a delightful turn of events. You've almost restored my hope in humanity with the story of bringing  William into your operation. Maybe good things actually do happen to good people once in a while after all.  

magick man said:

Yep, and another key is to know what you want. Don't go into an interview without having an idea about what you want to be paid. Several times I've ran into, "I don't know" or "what do people doing this normally make?" Do some homework beforehand.

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This was my mistake when I had my first job. I ended up making minimum wage, when people around me with the same position later told me they had been making up to $1.50 more per hour.

veyrongatti said:

I thought you have to wear formal clothes to all interviews anyways? I remember doing the mock interview thingy where we had to all wear formal clothes...... 
I should bookmark this for future reference 

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"Have to"? There is no law - there is only common sense. If you are looking for a job, then you should make the first impression you give be a good impression. It doesn't have to be a 3-piece suit, it depends on the job, but a jacket, tie and a clean shave or neatly trimmed beard shows you respect the job and you made an effort to give a good impression. I'm not going to hire someone who gives me a first impression of "whatever, dude".

I hope your guys are smart enough not give the newbie the nickname of "gramps" - that would not be cool...