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post #316 of 1217
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Originally Posted by 2015071 View Post

From what I've seen is a bunch of people ranting how terrible it sounds for the price. But the bigger problem is their users. Beats users are kids that thinks beats are the only good headphones company and ignoring better choice. Also, beats users are swaggers, which they drop their pants as low as possible to show their underwear. Futhermore, they are all teenagers with lots of money to spend.

I'm a teenager, but I ain't got no money to spend, 'spite havin' Beats collecting dust here in me room. And I ain't no swagger.

Droppin' mah pants will freeze me legs, meng. Ain't a good idea. If I'm in 'Murica, swaggin'll prolly coat my legs in ice and give me frostbite and hypothermia, et al.

post #317 of 1217

Quote from a comparison review on Head-Fi that includes New Beats Studios...this guy is just one of many Beats users in this forum.

 

Think he can't appreciate good sound?  View his profile -- many TOTL headphones (SR-009 & 007s, HD800s, TH900s, LCD Xs, P7s, etc).

 

"The new Beats Studios 2013 editions keep up with many of the headphones here. I bought a pair to add to this review from the Apple Store with the intention of returning them after 1 week. As luck would have it my 5 year old kinda used the box for his superhero action figures...so they're now mine. Luckily I don't mind. If you're into how headphones look, these (along with the Momentums are the best IMO). They isolate pretty darn good and are pretty darn portable. They sound quite good. They're closer voiced to the warmer/bassier Momentums (though not as tactile), but that said, I'm quite happy to see Beats talking good sound seriously. They image very well are light and comfortable too. Who'd a thunk it? "

 

Funny, it seems like emotion is driving some people to reject a product without actually listening to it.  I listened briefly to the Studios when I picked up my Aviators a couple days ago and agree with what he's saying in his review.

 

Even funnier to me, is that this forum embraces some fashionable brands (V-Moda, Skullcandy, etc.) that 'are listening to us' but trashes a brand that it is 'cool' to hate (in Head-Fi circles) -- even when they are clearly making the effort to improve.

 
Haters gonna Hate!  ;-)
 
Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post

I generally see more hostility than actual constructive conversation on this topic.

yep...

 

Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post

When we're talking about Beats, looks are everything, and sound is nothing

  assuming you've listened all of them?

 

Originally Posted by skyforger View Post

They should ban beats and beats discussions from head fi, no good comes from them or talking about them.

 Feels like Monty Python..."Tell me, what do we do with Beats?  Ban them!"

 

Originally Posted by mironathetin View Post

In a way, Beats made it socially less acceptable to wear headphones in public.

Thanks to them, you will be mistaken for somebody who wears stupid headphones to attract attention instead of someone, who really cares for top quality sound.

Thanks to them, you will be mistaken as a jerk, who follows every kids fashion, instead of someone, who spends extra money for good sound.

Thanks to them, you give the impression that you simply don't get it, because your headphones don't have a flashy color.

Thanks to them, you have to be extra careful in public, because every kid wants what you wear in your ears. Before, they didn't even notice.

 

(feel free to add to this)

PRICELESS!

 
Originally Posted by 2015071 View Post
From what I've seen is a bunch of people ranting how terrible it sounds for the price. But the bigger problem is their users. Beats users are kids that thinks beats are the only good headphones company and ignoring better choice. Also, beats users are swaggers, which they drop their pants as low as possible to show their underwear. Futhermore, they are all teenagers with lots of money to spend.

 ?!

post #318 of 1217
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

In a way, we should all thank Beats - they made it a little more socially acceptable to spend decent amounts of money on headphones, instead of just using the standard ones that came with our MP3 players (or Minidiscs, Discmans, etc).

 

Lo, more appreciation was given to our hobby, more cash running around, and from that, we can see some fantastic products available today. 

 

I never did, nor do I now care about others opinions or acceptance of my hobbies or what I do with the money I earn. Neither should you nor anyone else, beats done us no favours except cash in on a bunch of ignorant/misinformed people that bought these as a fashion statement and ended up paying 2-3 times the price for the product/sound they got.

post #319 of 1217
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Originally Posted by Primetime86 View Post

I found the 880's ok. They still sound more on the sterile side to me though. I preferred the MA900 to them too. The MA900 are more open with a more fun liquid mid range and fuller bass imo

Thanks...think I'm gonna look into the MA900s
post #320 of 1217
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Originally Posted by skyforger View Post
 

 

I never did, nor do I now care about others opinions or acceptance of my hobbies or what I do with the money I earn. Neither should you nor anyone else, beats done us no favours except cash in on a bunch of ignorant/misinformed people that bought these as a fashion statement and ended up paying 2-3 times the price for the product/sound they got.

 

Sorry, I might not have made my point very clearly. My mistake :(

 

Basically, the way I see it:

 

Beats made it OK to spend lots of money on headphones. So, lots of money has been spent on headphones since beats came out, which means that we now have an incredible array of things to choose from, due to our favourite manufacturers now having a good amount of money to spend on their product development. 

post #321 of 1217
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Sorry, I might not have made my point very clearly. My mistake :(

 

Basically, the way I see it:

 

Beats made it OK to spend lots of money on headphones. So, lots of money has been spent on headphones since beats came out, which means that we now have an incredible array of things to choose from, due to our favourite manufacturers now having a good amount of money to spend on their product development. 

 

Who cares I like when things are small and undiscovered better than when things are popular and overrated. Beats still suck major.

post #322 of 1217
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Originally Posted by GearMe View Post
 

  assuming you've listened all of them?

I've listened to all the big ones that go over the head except for the Beats Studio Wireless 2013 and the matte Solo HD, both of which aren't available in my country yet. I also don't really care about their in-ears, because they are all too similar to each other. To be honest, none of them really sound bad per se, just bass heavy. I can see why some think they're good headphones. They're marketed towards people who are accustomed to tinny Apple earbuds, and listen to the music that the celebrities who endorse them produce. That kind of music is all electronic and bassy. If that kind of stuff is emphasised, then a user would be led to believe that it is good audio.

 

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Originally Posted by skyforger View Post
 

 

I never did, nor do I now care about others opinions or acceptance of my hobbies or what I do with the money I earn. Neither should you nor anyone else, beats done us no favours except cash in on a bunch of ignorant/misinformed people that bought these as a fashion statement and ended up paying 2-3 times the price for the product/sound they got.

 

You can't say that. If a pair of Beats cost $299, then it's worth $299. You're not only buying a headphone; you're buying a fashion statement and a social status. You're buying the admiration of people who praise Beats, and the hatred of those who despise Beats. That is what's worth $299.

post #323 of 1217
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post
 

You can't say that. If a pair of Beats cost $299, then it's worth $299. You're not only buying a headphone; you're buying a fashion statement and a social status. You're buying the admiration of people who praise Beats, and the hatred of those who despise Beats. That is what's worth $299.

 

lol

post #324 of 1217
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post

 

You can't say that. If a pair of Beats cost $299, then it's worth $299. You're not only buying a headphone; you're buying a fashion statement and a social status. You're buying the admiration of people who praise Beats, and the hatred of those who despise Beats. That is what's worth $299.

 

Buying HD800 is also buying social status here. You're buying the admiration of people who despise Beats and the hatred of people who praise Beats.

 

Every community believes they follow the One True Way.

post #325 of 1217
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Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post

 

You can't say that. If a pair of Beats cost $299, then it's worth $299. You're not only buying a headphone; you're buying a fashion statement and a social status. You're buying the admiration of people who praise Beats, and the hatred of those who despise Beats. That is what's worth $299.

I actually agree with this, it's kinda like the piracy debate. I'm of the opinion that piracy is good just like I'm of the opinion that beats are good; not as headphones, but as a boost to the industry.

 

There we're far fewer audiophiles before the bass craze and there are far more good headphones now.

post #326 of 1217

If beats headphones are merely a fashion statement, then why aren't they sold in the clothing/fashion areas of stores? They are marketed and sold as quality headphones, something which they most certainly are not. The average consumer believes that if they shell out $300-400 dollars they are buying nearly the best of what money can buy in headphone quality. Honestly, the first time I heard a pair of Beats headphones they sounded so muddy and distorted that I asked the sales representative if the demo pair had blown drivers. 

 

That being said, it isn't Monster's fault that consumers are uninformed and have poor hearing. We live in a capitalist economy where businesses are free to sell their wares for whatever price the market will allow. My only problem with them is that they are SO bad that their marketing borders on false advertising. 

post #327 of 1217
 
Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post

Sorry, I might not have made my point very clearly. My mistake :(

 

Basically, the way I see it:

Beats made it OK to spend lots of money on headphones. So, lots of money has been spent on headphones since beats came out, which means that we now have an incredible array of things to choose from, due to our favourite manufacturers now having a good amount of money to spend on their product development. 

 

  Definitely...existing companies invest in growing markets and new companies enter that market to grab their piece of the pie.

 

 
Originally Posted by thisissomebs View Post

Who cares I like when things are small and undiscovered better than when things are popular and overrated. Beats still suck major.

 

Small and undiscovered = less competition = less choice and less product advancement.

 

 

Originally Posted by vantt1 View Post

You can't say that. If a pair of Beats cost $299, then it's worth $299. You're not only buying a headphone; you're buying a fashion statement and a social status. You're buying the admiration of people who praise Beats, and the hatred of those who despise Beats. That is what's worth $299.

 

yep...to millions of people.

 

post #328 of 1217
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Originally Posted by superlowfi View Post

 

Buying HD800 is also buying social status here. You're buying the admiration of people who despise Beats and the hatred of people who praise Beats.

 

Every community believes they follow the One True Way.

The Sony MDR-R10 is where it's at. Dem boicellulose drivers! But yeah, the HD800s are pretty cool too. I've only ever seen one person use them in the library. Bad idea? Yep. I could hear indistinct audio coming from the headphones, albeit sitting 5 metres away! The MDR-R10 are closed back, but sound sooooo open considering.

 

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Originally Posted by ThickGlasses View Post
 

I actually agree with this, it's kinda like the piracy debate. I'm of the opinion that piracy is good just like I'm of the opinion that beats are good; not as headphones, but as a boost to the industry.

 

There we're far fewer audiophiles before the bass craze and there are far more good headphones now.

There were far fewer self-proclaimed audiophiles before the bass craze.

 

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Originally Posted by subsonic1050 View Post
 

If beats headphones are merely a fashion statement, then why aren't they sold in the clothing/fashion areas of stores? They are marketed and sold as quality headphones, something which they most certainly are not. The average consumer believes that if they shell out $300-400 dollars they are buying nearly the best of what money can buy in headphone quality. Honestly, the first time I heard a pair of Beats headphones they sounded so muddy and distorted that I asked the sales representative if the demo pair had blown drivers. 

 

That being said, it isn't Monster's fault that consumers are uninformed and have poor hearing. We live in a capitalist economy where businesses are free to sell their wares for whatever price the market will allow. My only problem with them is that they are SO bad that their marketing borders on false advertising. 

Beats aren't merely a fashion statement. From many aspects, Beats are a lot like Apple. They provide relatively superior features to a consumer, that are in most cases, immediately apparent to them. For example, take the iPhone. Compared to many other competing brands, the iPhone would appear to be the best smartphone in all aspects that an average consumer seeks in a smartphone. High resolution display, speedy and streamlined operation, high quality materials and well thought out design that is fit for single-handed operation.

 

Bear in mind that this is what an average consumer sees. All these things are superior in practicality, but as we all know, all iPhones have inferior hardware compared to other smartphones of the same generation. Where other phones will have x.x GHz x-core processors, x.x inch x HD screen, x GB RAM etc, all Apple advertises is the 'Retina Display'. Apple Ax Chip and stuff like that. All iPhone users need to know is that they're getting something better than last time. And because Apple designs both the hardware and software, the iPhone would seem to perform just as well as any other smartphone of the same generation and price range, if not better.

 

Now onto Beats. Before the headphone war started by Beats, people didn't really care about high fidelity portable audio. They were content with the freebies that were bundled with their device, and didn't really see any point in spending hundreds of dollars on a better headphone, when they didn't have very high expectations. They were listening to their favourite music for the sake of music, and not the audio quality. That's what audiophiles do, and they were also quite a small community back then. Nowadays on Head-Fi, being an audiophile is kinda the only way to distinguish yourself from people who like Beats. You're either one or the other - you can't consider both sides of the argument and reason with logic and factual evidence.

 

Anyway, we all know what 'popular music' is. Think VEVO. And also, this is where Apple ties in with Beats; iTunes. The iPod is ubiquitous, and now it's the iPhone's turn. As we all know, they all come with a pair of trademark white Apple earbuds, famous for their ubiquity and poor audio quality. Hundreds of millions of people use these earbuds every day to listen to music purchased from the iTunes store. And the majority of this music is, as expected. 'popular music'. See where this is heading?

 

 From an average consumer's point of view, Beats would seem to be the fanciest headphone around for a few reasons:

 

1. Dedicated eye-catching demo stand 

2. Eye-catching design

3. Endorsed and used by 'popular music' artists

4. Audio quality that greatly contrasts that of Apple earbuds

5. Relatively superior practical portable functionality

 

People who were used to using Apple earbuds to listen to music would naturally think that Beats makes the best headphone. It really all started with the original Studios. 

 

The Apple earbuds:

 

- Lacked bass and highs

- Lacked well-defined sound

- Lacked noise isolation

 

The Beats Studios:

 

- Have booming bass and crystal clear highs

- Have 'detailed' sound 

- Have active noise isolation that have a noticeable hiss, as opposed to the unnoticeable Bose ANC hiss

 

Furthermore, the Beats stood out from all the other large headphones because they:

 

- Were foldable and have a portable carry case

- Had a detachable cable so you could change it according to your needs, or replace it when it's broken

- Have a fancy retail box and many accessories that aren't often used but appealed to consumers anyway such as a 3.5 to 6.3 mm stereo jack adapter and a flight adapter

 

 

TL;DR: Beats provide superior practical functionality for someone who is used to Apple earbuds compared to other expensive headphones.


Edited by vantt1 - 4/19/14 at 5:46pm
post #329 of 1217

I'm struggling to figure out what you could possibly continue on about. I believe you have just garrulously stated what we all already know. The only piece of "new" info there was the analogy with Apple products, which is in my mind, a very poor one. In  my mind, what matters is the performance of the product. You stated yourself that because of the software their products actually perform as well or better than others. Isn't that what matters? Everyone knows that any moron can go out and buy components to build a computer. This moron has done it numerous times since roughly 1997. However, I remember that my first efforts performed relatively poorly compared to commercially built ones, even though I had bought all of the latest and best hardware. Why? Because hardware needs to be correctly chosen to work with other hardware, as well as the software. This is where Apple excels. They may not stick all of their money into the hardware, but they do spend a lot of time carefully selecting their components to work in harmony with one another and with their software. This is possible because they make only a few select computers, all made and sold by them. Contrast that to PC's, which are made by every manufacturer under the sun as well as by consumers - and couple that with Microsoft, which until just the last few releases has struggled to make an OS that won't crash every 10 minutes. (It should be noted that I am NOT an Apple fanboy, and don't own a single piece of Apple gear - although I do appreciate their attention to detail). 

 

In comparison, the beats do not deliver the performance for the price. They don't even deliver 1/4 the performance that the price demands. As I said, I have no problem with Monster selling them to uninformed people - it is the consumers fault for not doing any research or testing alternatives.  Still, I can't help but feel as if Monster is cheating their customers in a very big way.

 

Part of the hate for Beats may be to fit in with the audiophile crowd, but I can tell you that I am relatively new to the headphone world (not the audiophile world) - and I hated beats from the moment I heard them in a Best Buy, long before I ever even heard that opinion from someone else. 

post #330 of 1217

What's not to hate? They caused the price for real headphones to approach ridiculous levels. Sennheiser increased the price on the HD800 by 50% just to keep up. :)

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