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Aurisonics ASG-1: Which tips are the best? (with reviews to come)
Mar 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM Post #91 of 143
just want to let you know that de-cored black olives is a great idea. I just did it eventhough i might have ruined the olives but squishing them too much but the sound is really nice and its incredibly comfortable. For my um3x, i've always loved using the olives, can't believe it will be just as good on the asg-1.
 
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tgx78 said:
I just got ASG-1 yesterday and trying out various tips on it. Most of them sounded similar, but now I am liking de-cored / tip-trimmed / reverse mounted Shure olives the most.
I guess my ear socket is smaller than 90% people out there as well,, I cannot listen to this for more than 20-30 mins before it really starts to hurt my ears.
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Mar 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM Post #92 of 143
I'm expecting to receive my custom tips next week (thanks Dale for the update).  Also, mine will have the filters installed.  I had issues with the left driver flexing too much, so a new ASG-1 will be shipped with my tips.  The results will be interesting....
 
Mar 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM Post #93 of 143


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alphaphoenix said:
I'm expecting to receive my custom tips next week (thanks Dale for the update).  Also, mine will have the filters installed.  I had issues with the left driver flexing too much, so a new ASG-1 will be shipped with my tips.  The results will be interesting....
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Let us know how the custom tip works out, I'm waiting on a review of them. The whole filter thing is interesting even though I love the sound as is.
 
Mar 17, 2012 at 7:02 PM Post #94 of 143


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btinc said:
Let us know how the custom tip works out, I'm waiting on a review of them. The whole filter thing is interesting even though I love the sound as is.
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That's exactly how I feel about it.  I actually like the sound of the ASG-1s.  I do want to try the filters, but I'll wait until they are finished and buy them :p
 
Mar 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM Post #95 of 143


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whitefroded said:
@Sprucemaple: The Jays silcon for me made the shouty mids worse, not sure why. I still am having the best luck with the stock tips, though I will be trying the decored olives soon. I am also very close to just ordering the custom tips, seems like the next logical step for me.
 
 
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The shouty mids aren't much of a problem for me in general, so perhaps that's why I'm not noticing much. Comfort wise, the stock tips are a little troublesome for me because they're really thin and hurt my canal. If you have the chance, try the UE silicone, it's comfortable and brings out the bass a little more. Looking forward to see how the decored olives work for you. 
 
 
Mar 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM Post #96 of 143


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sprucemaple said:
The shouty mids aren't much of a problem for me in general, so perhaps that's why I'm not noticing much. Comfort wise, the stock tips are a little troublesome for me because they're really thin and hurt my canal. If you have the chance, try the UE silicone, it's comfortable and brings out the bass a little more. Looking forward to see how the decored olives work for you. 
 
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I never had shouty mids...  Actually, I did for the first 3 seconds...  then I pushed them in a little further, they've been gone since.  I think the shouty mids are due to a poor seal.  Thanks for hte tip with the UE silicone tips, sub-bass is...  Um...  There's no word to describe it now :)
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM Post #97 of 143


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tinyman392 said:
I never had shouty mids...  Actually, I did for the first 3 seconds...  then I pushed them in a little further, they've been gone since.  I think the shouty mids are due to a poor seal.  Thanks for hte tip with the UE silicone tips, sub-bass is...  Um...  There's no word to describe it now :)
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I can assure you the shouty mids have nothing to do with seal.  They are purposely tuned that way.  I had the shouty mids regardless of tip used; with perfect seal and with less than perfect seal.  If it didn't exist, they wouldn't be creating filters to remove it for head-fi users.
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM Post #98 of 143
shotgunshane said:
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tinyman392 said:
I never had shouty mids...  Actually, I did for the first 3 seconds...  then I pushed them in a little further, they've been gone since.  I think the shouty mids are due to a poor seal.  Thanks for hte tip with the UE silicone tips, sub-bass is...  Um...  There's no word to describe it now :)
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I can assure you the shouty mids have nothing to do with seal.  They are purposely tuned that way.  I had the shouty mids regardless of tip used; with perfect seal and with less than perfect seal.  If it didn't exist, they wouldn't be creating filters to remove it for head-fi users.
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Really. The only time I had these shouty mids was when my fit was less than perfect. I got them them a good seal, but they went away with a great seal.
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM Post #100 of 143
Listen to Champagne Showers by LMAO (i only heard a 320 kbps version so I dont know how youtube or something else will sound)
Not that this song is exactly test track gold or anything but if you dont hear the snouty mids on Natalia Kills' very processed vocals, then you don't hear shouty mids. I had to immediately turn the volume way down.

What bothers me more is that vocals that are just below the peak/hump sound dead in comparison.
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM Post #101 of 143


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vwinter said:
Listen to Champagne Showers by LMAO (i only heard a 320 kbps version so I dont know how youtube or something else will sound)
Not that this song is exactly test track gold or anything but if you dont hear the snouty mids on Natalia Kills' very processed vocals, then you don't hear shouty mids. I had to immediately turn the volume way down.
What bothers me more is that vocals that are just below the peak/hump sound dead in comparison.
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I'm sorry, I don't hear the shouty mids in her voice at all (processed or not).  They are loud, but not louder than the rest; they definitely do not pierce.  I was able to get through the entire song without needing to put the volume down.  I actually put the volume up towards the end to make sure I wasn't listening too softly.  I had the volume at 25% max of my iPod touch's volume to start, then 5/16 towards the end. 
 
I think I know what you're talking about when you say shouty though, I had a similar effect with the MEE A151s.  This was due to fit issues though.  As fit got better, the problem resolved a little more.  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a 100% correct fit, so it sounded like there was a spike in the higher mids (some may call this area the highs).  Some vocals and guitars had a loud resonance (using physics definition here) which sounded "shouty".  Nothing like that on the ASG-1s though.  I'm telling you, fit is everything :p
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 1:36 PM Post #102 of 143
It's definitely not piercing, just obscures the other frequencies and is louder than comfortable, at least at my listening volumes. It does sound like a resonance, like when my dog barks at that perfect pitch and it rings throughout the room instead of just dissipating. Maybe it has something to do with insertion depth and angle in addition to the mid spike/hump/spike because I'm pretty sure vacuum is as good a seal as I'm going to get lol (and I am really not a fan of vacuum seals).

Edit: processed on purpose obviously. I wasn't knocking it or anything.
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM Post #103 of 143


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vwinter said:
It's definitely not piercing, just obscures the other frequencies and is louder than comfortable, at least at my listening volumes. It does sound like a resonance, like when my dog barks at that perfect pitch and it rings throughout the room instead of just dissipating. Maybe it has something to do with insertion depth and angle in addition to the mid spike/hump/spike because I'm pretty sure vacuum is as good a seal as I'm going to get lol (and I am really not a fan of vacuum seals).
Edit: processed on purpose obviously. I wasn't knocking it or anything.
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I'm still not getting that...  LOL.  It does have a lot to do with fit though.  I can force that if I wanted to by not having a deep insertion, then yes, I can get shouty mids in general.  However, with the deeper insertion, they all go away.   I still think it's the fit that does it (seal, depth, etc).  IDK if you've tried, but try going down a size in the UE silicone tips.  It may help a bit (as long as they still seal).  I can't go down any further as my ears are already too small :p  You might have that option though. 
 
The thing with me and the tips was that if I went too small (Sony XS size vs S size), the mids became slightly shouty and there was a loss of sub-bass.  If I went up a size too big, the mids became slightly shouty, there was a loss of overall bass (Sony S vs Sony M and UE XS vs UE S). 
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM Post #104 of 143
I don't think seal has much to do with displacing the shouty mids.  Bass and signature to a small extent, but not the mids.  The tip selection might be able to tame them a bit, but they'll always be "shouty".  I think it just has to do with the level of comfort you are w/ the shoutiness.  For those that say they can't hear it, most likely just don't mind it or as sensitive to that signature, therefore it doesn't stick out so much.  But it's still there, nevertheless- it's an inherent sonic trait of the IEM.
 
Mar 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM Post #105 of 143


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munkyballz said:
I don't think seal has much to do with displacing the shouty mids.  Bass and signature to a small extent, but not the mids.  The tip selection might be able to tame them a bit, but they'll always be "shouty".  I think it just has to do with the level of comfort you are w/ the shoutiness.  For those that say they can't hear it, most likely just don't mind it or as sensitive to that signature, therefore it doesn't stick out so much.  But it's still there, nevertheless- it's an inherent sonic trait of the IEM.
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I agree with the seal not affecting the mids at all, though the tip selection definitely does IMO. When using tips that create a greater distance from the driver than the stock tips (ie double and triple flanges), the upper mid bump is reduced quite a bit. Which is another reason why I think I will just go ahead and order the customs. Though I will have to put them on the secret credit card so I dont upset the wife :p.
 
 
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