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post #7021 of 20809
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Originally Posted by lubczyk View Post

I appreciate your feedback, I really do. In my culture, results speak louder than words. There's just lots of pictures, videos and gaudy marketing, it's really quite nauseating.

 

In some situations just being silent and working on your project until it's done is the best action, not tweeting the world of every little thing you're doing. It makes you look quite narcissistic.

...Really? You claim Val sharing information about the product, showing his passion, and giving us all an inside look at the process of taking a product from vague idea, to concept, to market is narcissism? All while loudly proclaiming that in your culture, such boisterous claims and arrogant flaunting would NEVER happen.

 

I don't want to turn this into a fight, but you're being quite narcissistic yourself in acting like it's all about you and your expectations for what the development process should be, and how he should handle his business and his company.

 

Val has gone out on a limb and has done something that quite a few people appreciate. I never would have stopped lurking 100% of the time to register and make any posts here whatsoever if it wasn't for what he's doing, and I know that I am not the only one that has greatly appreciated the way he has handled this.

 

Please don't ruin something that is very much a unique facet of V-Moda and Val's interaction with the public. If you don't like it, well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but attacking the man because he has done something different just threatens to ruin it for everyone who is really enjoying what has happened here.

post #7022 of 20809
Well said. ^^
post #7023 of 20809
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Originally Posted by roma101 View Post

Well said. ^^


+2

post #7024 of 20809
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Originally Posted by roma101 View Post

Well said. ^^

+3

post #7025 of 20809
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Originally Posted by cthalupa View Post

...Really? You claim Val sharing information about the product, showing his passion, and giving us all an inside look at the process of taking a product from vague idea, to concept, to market is narcissism? All while loudly proclaiming that in your culture, such boisterous claims and arrogant flaunting would NEVER happen.

 

I don't want to turn this into a fight, but you're being quite narcissistic yourself in acting like it's all about you and your expectations for what the development process should be, and how he should handle his business and his company.

 

Val has gone out on a limb and has done something that quite a few people appreciate. I never would have stopped lurking 100% of the time to register and make any posts here whatsoever if it wasn't for what he's doing, and I know that I am not the only one that has greatly appreciated the way he has handled this.

 

Please don't ruin something that is very much a unique facet of V-Moda and Val's interaction with the public. If you don't like it, well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but attacking the man because he has done something different just threatens to ruin it for everyone who is really enjoying what has happened here.

This. I definitely would not have made an account and joined this great community if not for Val asking for everyone's opinion and really trying to bring the best possible headphone to market. He did this knowing full well that this was still in development and that he would be hounded non-stop for a release date. He never once comitted to a date, and always made sure we understood that the headphone, being in development, would be done when HE feels that it is done. Yes there have been "delays" per se, but can you really call them delays if he never comitted to a firm release date, only giving us a release window of late 2012? I really appreciate Val being as open as he was/is about the development of the M-100s, even though I'm no audiophile, I still appreciate Val asking everyones' opinion on this. That is the mark of a great company, and a great leader.

post #7026 of 20809

The other alleged 'review' thread for the M-100 is 15 pages of clutter and nonsense.  What's the point of another M-100 thread if we have to slum through it to get to reviews.  We can do that here.  Too much of a hassle to be jumping back and forth between the two.  If we are going to start fresh, I nominate AnakChan to open up a new thread simply labelled "V-Moda M-100 Reviews", and lock out the other one.

Personally, I prefer slumming over here. The content is so much more bourgeois.

post #7027 of 20809
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Originally Posted by largemouth bass View Post

The other alleged 'review' thread for the M-100 is 15 pages of clutter and nonsense.  What's the point of another M-100 thread if we have to slum through it to get to reviews.  We can do that here.  Too much of a hassle to be jumping back and forth between the two.  If we are going to start fresh, I nominate AnakChan to open up a new thread simply labelled "V-Moda M-100 Reviews", and lock out the other one.

Personally, I prefer slumming over here. The content is so much more bourgeois.

I apologize for the other thread. It was supposed to be just the reviews and such, but right after I put it up, we got more delays and such - and Anakchan is taking a little while is review too.

 

I'll let the rest of you decide whether or not to use that thread for the reviews or make a new one though.

post #7028 of 20809
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Originally Posted by Nicktur12 View Post

I wrote a message to v-moda 4 days ago about switching matte black for white silver and I still havn't recieved any confirmation. Is it normal because normaly they send a message on monday

Did you send the email to support at v-moda dot com?

 

Also, did you get an automatic confirmation response for your email?

 

If your answer is 'no' to either one, they haven't received your email.

post #7029 of 20809

I'm not going try not to assassinate anyone's character in this response. That would be creating casualties instead of making specific points and my intention is to open the doors of a confessional booth, not scold or scald.

 

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Originally Posted by lubczyk View Post

I appreciate your feedback, I really do. In my culture, results speak louder than words. There's just lots of pictures, videos and gaudy marketing, it's really quite nauseating.

 

In some situations just being silent and working on your project until it's done is the best action, not tweeting the world of every little thing you're doing. It makes you look quite narcissistic.

 

1. I can understand that, in your culture (whether it be your country's or your skull's), tweeting, sharing photos of yourself and talking about your history might seem narcissistic. 

 

But ask yourself:  How is having a willfully public conversation in a public forum an act of humility? 

 

Simply by posting here in a mood of disgust and disapproval, you're making your subjective feelings known to everyone. You're enshrining for the ages every mistake or lack of tact of which you might be guilty.  Isn't subjecting yourself to that sort of micro-scrutiny an act of vanity, too?  How is posting your feelings on Head-fi the opposite of tweeting, the opposite of narcissism as you choose to define it?  

 

2. Instead of railing at Val Kolton, aren't you criticizing post-web communication as a whole? 

 

Wouldn't you be better off condemning all celebrity culture and reality television?  Shouldn't you be railing against all blogs (including your own, if you keep one)?  Wouldn't it make sense for you to disrupt your local alcoholics anonymous meeting to tell whichever person is confessing his sins in public to stop being a narcissistic crybaby?

 

The problem is that you seem to be positing one standard of behavior for everyone else and an entirely different one for Mr. Kolton.

 

3.  Mr. Kolton's approaching his company a bit like a performer, and he writes like one, too.  I recognize this because I've been a performer all my life.  In fact, I was one of those nauseating children who's applauded constantly for playing music and reciting speeches. The scrutiny only got worse when I began playing in bands and giving concerts.

 

When your background is in performing, the self-indulgent thing to do is *not* to perform, *not* to engage people, *not* to wear your floppy ventricles on your sleeve. To avoid taking risks would seem cowardly.  It would trivialize your audience, in effect telling them they're not worthy of your best.

 

Mr. Kolton is a DJ who has played for huge crowds.  He's also a CEO who talks to customers and a former Kid Techophile with a history of coding. Here on Head-fi, he's writing for an audience and talking to them individually at the same time.  Part of his success as a pied piper has to do with his ability to stand onstage and make individual audience members feel important by singling them out. That isn't self-indulgence, it's discipline.

 

Making other people feel important is never an act of narcissism.  Trashing someone else for making others feel important, however, *might* be a narcissistic act.

 

Mr. Kolton's inviting manner, the extras he offers semi-insider customers, and his music-vid-ready idea of industrial design, have created the slavering devotion to which you seem to be reacting.  And, from the looks of your last few posts, I'd say you're reacting rather than thinking.

 

If you really want to show us you haven't been seduced by the pied piper, then you'll stop telling us how disgusting you find his tweets.  That only shows you love the piper more.  If you want us to believe you, then take a step back and stop reacting.  An objective person isn't disgusted, they're unswayed.

 

* * * * * *

 

The last thing I want anyone else to do is change their personal style to fit my tastes. My interest in them might wane at any moment, and if they chose to listen to me and suppress their unaffected personality, they have would have to live with a compromised public self for as long as the damage lasted.

 

It isn't Mr. Kolton I'm defending specifically.  It's anyone who takes the risk of being honest about themselves.  Vulnerability is strength and mutation is evolution. 

 

Here's to anyone with the will and drive to build a rocket out of what they love most and shoot it into the lava bed of the world's critical assessment.  Here's to anyone who stays with that momentum, builds something even larger, and keeps the vulnerability with which they began. 

 

Let's not have faux-manly stiffness in public places.  Let's have kaleidoscopic contortionists and Herculean tear wrestlers.  Let's have the full range of thought and emotion and not pretend we're more grim and glacial than we truly are. 

 

Decorum is fine, but a vein of grace is finer.


Edited by scrypt - 10/3/12 at 2:21am
post #7030 of 20809

Scrypt, you write the best scripts. etysmile.gif

post #7031 of 20809
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

Scrypt, you write the best scripts. etysmile.gif

+1 darthsmile.gif

post #7032 of 20809

I don't know if all the pre release tweeting and telling people every little move is bad or not, but it has created a thread that has over 7000 posts and the headphone hasn't even hit the streets yet.  Perhaps the pressure of living up to the hype drives some of that communication?  Of course reading through past posts, you can also see numerous posts where people are asking for updates quite regularly.  Who knows.  Either way, love it or hate it, I can't remember a thread this large over a product that hasn't even been released yet. 

post #7033 of 20809
Scrypt...How much tupperware do you have in the cupboard? It's important.
p.s. the falcon flies at noon.
post #7034 of 20809
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Originally Posted by nonsupremous View Post
 Either way, love it or hate it, I can't remember a thread this large over a product that hasn't even been released yet. 

I think it's because of the level of sharing that V-MODA has engaged in that allowed the discussion to stretch. V-MODA engaged the community, and released related information as the product development progressed. I don't think this thread would have been so long if V-MODA didn't share information or made good progress with the M-100.

On top of 80% of non-related talk of course. beerchug.gif

post #7035 of 20809
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Originally Posted by largemouth bass View Post

Scrypt...How much tupperware do you have in the cupboard? It's important.
p.s. the falcon flies at noon.


I was about to answer you facetiously when I saw that, just after my name, you'd substituted three squeezed ellipsis points for a colon and space.

 

Needless to shriek, OCD prevented me from finishing my response and pointing out that cliches phrased as riddles are only fun if you add your own bonus zest before lobbing them at my forehead. 

 

Which is a pity, because, as a former Portland suburban-gnat, I'd have liked to play invective catch with a (Lake) Oswego bass like yourself.

 

Someday I'll revisit my response to you, Large, and finish those two mangy sentences I began this very night. Heck, I'll even write the hell out 'em, too.  You deserve it, after all. You're that kind of organism.

 

Yes, I think I'd like that, Large. I'd like that very much--

 

[Sound of Scrypt's lips being sliced off by Grandpa Mantis' brushed aluminum prosthetic mandible]


Edited by scrypt - 10/3/12 at 3:59am
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