I was expecting Esoteric K-01 -> Qualia 010.
 
 
What is this rubbish.
 
 

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kiteki said:

 
I was expecting Esoteric K-01 -> Qualia 010.
 
 
What is this rubbish.
 
 

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IMO the title of this thread must be changed asap... LOL

The Project Sunrise is an excellent headphone amp with a great sound and a real 3D soundstage (especially with ECC86 or 6N27p) but i'm sure it's not the best amp of the world  
 
As they says "Nobody's Perfect"

You wont get better, only different. Try to get this: The W E A K link in any tube amp is not the design but the tube. Any hybrid design will struggle with the same problem, the characteristics of the tube. No matter if its the Zana Deux or the X-can V2.
 
But please, spend $10 000 on different tube amps and write page up and down on this forum on how "its different", I dont really care. That this tube design actually better solidstate amps according to some of the writers here is a big testament to how god it is.

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That this tube design actually better solidstate amps according to some of the writers here is a big testament to how god it is.

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Links please.

krisno said:

You wont get better, only different. Try to get this: The W E A K link in any tube amp is not the design but the tube. Any hybrid design will struggle with the same problem, the characteristics of the tube. No matter if its the Zana Deux or the X-can V2.
 
But please, spend $10 000 on different tube amps and write page up and down on this forum on how "its different", I dont really care. That this tube design actually better solidstate amps according to some of the writers here is a big testament to how god it is.

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Nope.

Give me the best tube in the world and I can make it sound like garbage with a bad circuit design. So can anyone else.

Further, you are the one who has to back up your claims. Go ahead. I want links and citations.

You might want to stop drinking the marketing Kool-Aid. It's bad for you.

I would like to see krisno back up some of the claims that has been mentioned as well. 

I'm intrigued by krisno's attitude toward amps. I also find his responses infuriating.

The title is misleading and the reviewer seems to be extremely biased.

When I entered this thread I have a feeling that the theme of 2001 Space Odyssey is in the background, and ....

I cannot agree more in many ways. I did miss-calculate as well on the amount of months, was just trying to say it did not come out yesterday or anything. Sorry for the delay, I do not get on here often. I just look through the posts late at night.  I think the title of this thread is very balsy and deserves the flak it has gotten as I was annoyed and laughed a bit when I read it. I bet this guy is just trying to tell the world he really likes his amplifier and it ended up in a war instead between all of the members and the OP. I bet this war would have been started no matter the amplifier as a title like that does nothing but scare up drama. Sorry OP you do come across pretty high and mighty. This amp is not the best in the world even if it is a good amp. You would have been better off simply saying "I have found an amplifier I really, really like" Pretty sad actually as the manufacturer is a very nice guy and actually has a really good amp on his hands and your post practically makes him look bad. He and his amp are getting drug through the mud because of this post which has nothing to do with him or the amplifier. The manufacturer never gave me the impression of being this arrogent and neither do any of his ads and as I said before, he stated "I would never say my amp was the best in the world" and he was really open and nice and very much and enthusiest. Bummer as this all sucks for him I bet. I still plan to get one no matter how bad this topic has become.
 
I was speaking about other amps in the price range of this one that I have been looking at online. I have been researching extensivly and I have seen the up close pictures on reviews of other amplifiers in this range and knowing component quality and circuit board quality from my home audio additction, I took a close look at the circuit boards this guy designed for this amp and they are the great. They were nicer than anything I own currently or that anyone I know owns and the nicest I have personally ever seen. They were very thick, gloss black with gold plating. Vias were all uniform and cuts were perfect. Just sexy as chrome on a harley. He showed me the bins of parts used to build the amp and all of the parts were very good quality parts, nothing cheap. He said he shows off the internals with the clear top like it has because he has nothing to hide. And the way it is built with the top and bottom parts, I was told it keeps overall cost down and lets him choose better components and circuit parts that do make a difference which I agree with. He said if someone wants to stick it in an aluminum can or box then they can do it as the board is DIY friendly. Looking at the amp, it was laid out very nice. The capacitors were just far enough from the heatsinks that they do not get hot. Everything was uniform.. and well... Just nicely done. Like I said, it was like a small work of art that you guys would like I think if you got to take a listen.
 
Sorry I sound like a deranged cheerleader for this thing but I know enough to know a good deal when I see or hear one and I think putting a good word in for what I experienced and heard is well deserved.
 
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That analogy exaggerates my point, which was that the design isn't new, it's very similar to the design of two amps that have already been out on the market. That makes something less noteworthy, aesthetically speaking. Additionally, you're saying the other amps don't look to be of the same (build?) quality on what basis? 
 
 
 
 
First units in June = Start of November - Start of June = 11 - 6 = 5 months
5 months < 2 x 3 months = 6 months
 
Note that I'm not saying the Project Sunrise is a bad amp; I never said that. Maybe it is great. But OP's statement and his attempts at qualifying it are simply not convincing, and given how prone enthusiasts in this hobby--and this forum in particular--are to hype, especially "giant beater" hype, I am questioning the praise so that people will not rush blindly into a purchase. You can spend your money however you like, but don't begrudge folk like me the right to question--that's how all of us learn anyway.

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Aesthetically, the look is not new. It's basically the Indeed/Bravo amp.
 
The Project Sunrise has also only been around for, say, 3 months? It's still a bit early to tell whether the happy owners are going to stay happy with it in the long term.

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They do the Bravo / Indeed / Muse upgrades as well - http://store.garage1217.com/bravo--muse--indeed-audiophile-upgrades.html
 
Perhaps, it's just an extension of their experience with Bravo that led to this amp. I am sure they use better parts, but I doubt it's the 'best ever known to man'. Some objective comparisons with tube amps in the price range or even with the Bravo/Indeed ones would be a bit more convincing than a title like this.

 
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They do the Bravo / Indeed / Muse upgrades as well - http://store.garage1217.com/bravo--muse--indeed-audiophile-upgrades.html
 
Perhaps, it's just an extension of their experience with Bravo that led to this amp. I am sure they use better parts, but I doubt it's the 'best ever known to man'. Some objective comparisons with tube amps in the price range or even with the Bravo/Indeed ones would be a bit more convincing than a title like this.

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I think that is clear, not the best known to man the post title is rediculous. On the euro rock grotto forums I was reading, what you say seems to be close to the case. One said it was sort of similar to the best indeed design (supposed to be the best out of the cheapies) but exceeds them big time in specs and measurements. Some posts show the measurements of the stock indeed and bravo amps if you dig  and they measure bad. Ugly crosstalk, distortion, less output, no output protection, ugly waveforms, some cannot even be biased out of the box. Somthing about how the heaters are powered and the project sunrise has its own heater power as well as other things. He said those amps are not terrible when modified but it takes a lot of work to modify them properly and to make them sound good. He said his amp still exceeds those easily specification wise. We talked a little about other tube amps in the price range. I was looking at a bravo before but I realized how limited it was for tube rolling. Funny you mentioned the bravo mods, he had a lot of bravo and indeed parts in a baggie from modifying them. He showed me a cut open capacitor marked 6XXXuF rubycon that had had a little tiny foil coil inside a big case like they stuck a tiny capacitor inside a big can. They really do stuff like that?
 
I emailed the guy and told him he should come on here if you guys have quetions as I just know what I have read on the other forum and from talking to the guy. Maybe him coming on here will clear his name so I do not have to defend his honor ha ha ha.  Not sure if he is allowed to.
 
Edit: got a reply, nope he is not allowed to post on here about his stuff, oh well.

Hey, I got no issue with the amp being great, and great for its price. That's all fantastic news. I'm just interested to see if krisno can back up his claims; my view of the amp's maker is absolutely not influenced by this.

Big can: How do you know its not the greatest amp when you keep bringing crap headphones to the seller for a audition? Who are you to say that this amp is not what I say it is, when you admitted yourself you never heard anything else? 
 
Noone here has heard the amp and still you all keep saying its not the best and cannot compare to the most expensive amps. Its like a childs game. Keep saying things and insist on it til you all believe its true. This is a fantastic amp, and no matter what price amp you get, no designer will overcome the faults of the 6922 tubes.
 
You will not get a better amp for the money in the history of man kind, and try a $1500 amp, or more, it wont be better just different. 
 
But I really dont care, and I will not discuss with people who keep commenting on gear they have never heard(or anything else). Please, spend your money on $10 000 tube gear, it would really make me happy. Most of people on Head-fi wont even hear any difference at all.
 
Its the same thing around the AD797 opamp. Well regarded on Head-fi. But its awful. Its flat. Really SS sounding. No midrange. Vocals far off in the difference. No life.
 
This amp is very sensitive to the cables used too. Get good cables, and get a better DAC than I am using. Try a Wadia CDP, they are cheap on audiogon.com. Tell me what you think, but only then..
 
 
 
 

I am using an Esoteric K-01 CD player with Tara Labs The One Interconnect and Siltech G07 Ruby Hill II Signature Power Cord. And also an Isotek flagship power cable "Syncro" for the amp. I suppose your amp's power plug is IEC terminated? I have the LCD3 coming along soon. I also have an Ultrasone headphone which you praise so much. It is the ED10 which I believe is one step ahead of your ED9 by the way - but I haven't picked it up for a while to be honest, since its frequency response is really suited to a narrow range of music onlly.  And it would be good if you can make a similarly "greatest" electrostatic amp for my SR009. Would you let me audition the amp in Hong Kong?