Yeah, first it was it was they sound the same. Then it was they may sound different, but not any better. He is continuing to shoot himself in the foot, and like I said earlier....with statements like that, no one is going to take him or that amp seriously. Even if he would have said something like, this amp sounds as good as higher end amps, then maybe. But the things he's said are so outrageous it's ludicrous.
This amp need a better review, i don't have the time but i'm sure that the sound is far better than an Audio-GD C2 (and it's a good amp), i'm waiting that another person who's talking english fluently make a review (i don't have the time, and i'm french) but IMO this amp is a GREAT AMP !
just waiting that an audiophile buy this thing and review it
it worth the price and it's shipped with an excellent valve, it's not a toy like indeed, Bravo, etc... it must be used with a dekstop DAC and Good interconnect cables, but it's worth the price !!!
don't have time to make my review in english, but this amp is really really great, wide soundstage, powerfull dynamics, warm bass and good highs, it's a very good match for high impedance headphones !!!
Every solidstate component is more revealing than a tube, you cannot fix the weakest link. That is my point which many people here dont seem to understand.
Even McIntosh cannot change that with their tube amplifiers. And yes, I think many headfiers including many big reviewers are all just down to placebo.
Anyways, I just installed a 1963 Amperex 6922 tube, biased it to 13,5 volts, and i think this is as good as one can get a tube amp to sound. Extremly fast, lively, musical.
BTW: This is a website everyone on Head-Fi should read. Get som enlightenment. Read the Audeze LCD2 review for instance. And you will see the truth about the head-fi community
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This thread is not "the whole head-fi community" coming down on you or the Sunrise by saying that we agree much the Sunrise couldn't possibly beat much more expensive amps. This thread is a bunch of people asking you to justify your extreme claim: that Sunrise + Ed 9 is the best combi known to man. You have yet to back that claim up with opinions--let alone evidence--outside of your own, so it's unconvincing.
Instead, you are making blanket statements about the Head-Fi community as a whole (more so in recent pages), as if it were the larger community that holds some view of $$$$ amp > $ amp. Even if such people exist here, they're not the ones in this thread, asking you for proof. This is a straw man fallacy.
Now with your latest post, you're linking to a site that appears to apply a conspiracy theory to audio reviews in general being untrustworthy, and by extension, most reviews on Head-Fi are untrustworthy. Only a few are reliable. This may be true, and maybe the website is reliable, but I believe I'm right in saying you consider yourself the reliable reviewer and all the other opinions expressed in this thread, unreliable. How do we know? According to you, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and is trying to promote the view that more expensive amps are better, as part of a larger plot by expensive product manufacturers? That's circular logic, which is what conspiracy theories rely on to work.
Man, if you think this community is so messed up, why do you remain here? Do you want to dialogue, like many of us do, or just have a platform to force an opinion onto people from?
BTW: This is a website everyone on Head-Fi should read. Get som enlightenment. Read the Audeze LCD2 review for instance. And you will see the truth about the head-fi community
This thread is not "the whole head-fi community" coming down on you or the Sunrise by saying that we agree much the Sunrise couldn't possibly beat much more expensive amps. This thread is a bunch of people asking you to justify your extreme claim: that Sunrise + Ed 9 is the best combi known to man. You have yet to back that claim up with opinions--let alone evidence--outside of your own, so it's unconvincing.
Instead, you are making blanket statements about the Head-Fi community as a whole (more so in recent pages), as if it were the larger community that holds some view of $$$$ amp > $ amp. Even if such people exist here, they're not the ones in this thread, asking you for proof. This is a straw man fallacy.
Now with your latest post, you're linking to a site that appears to apply a conspiracy theory to audio reviews in general being untrustworthy, and by extension, most reviews on Head-Fi are untrustworthy. Only a few are reliable. This may be true, and maybe the website is reliable, but I believe I'm right in saying you consider yourself the reliable reviewer and all the other opinions expressed in this thread, unreliable. How do we know? According to you, anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and is trying to promote the view that more expensive amps are better, as part of a larger plot by expensive product manufacturers? That's circular logic, which is what conspiracy theories rely on to work.
Man, if you think this community is so messed up, why do you remain here? Do you want to dialogue, like many of us do, or just have a platform to force an opinion onto people from?
solid post
also i'd like to say that i am always looking for a bang per buck amp/source or great deals on more expensive stuff. i can't afford to piss away money. so im naturally interested in the sunrise. stop insulting or accusing us of promoting bias in the favor of expensive sponsors or whatever you are doing. it makes it almost look like you are selling something.
now, for curiosities sake, where can i buy this amp?
solid post
also i'd like to say that i am always looking for a bang per buck amp/source or great deals on more expensive stuff. i can't afford to piss away money. so im naturally interested in the sunrise. stop insulting or accusing us of promoting bias in the favor of expensive sponsors or whatever you are doing. it makes it almost look like you are selling something.
now, for curiosities sake, where can i buy this amp?
Good luck with your set-up. One of the greatest sides of Head-Fi are the meets. This is where we listen to our gear together as well as sometimes mix and match stuff trying to get improvements. Have you thought about seting up your gear for others to hear at a Head-Fi meet? Much of peoples purchases are based on hearing demos.
Many times having stuff side by side helps in doing basic comparisons.
"This thread is not "the whole head-fi community" coming down on you or the Sunrise by saying that we agree much the Sunrise couldn't possibly beat much more expensive amps. "
How can you all AGREE on this when noone of you ever heard it? Many of you havent even tried anything like the equipment i show on post 80 either. And still you keep talking that the Sunrise cant compare. Its really crazy. There is no logic here.
Try the Sunrise with a good tube. A more expensive hybrid will not be able to match it, and probably be worse. There are nothing special about the more expensive equipment. The design is nothing special either.
That is what people do in this forum. Speak before they heard it themself, or tried it or whatever. Most people on these forums will not have the ears(I consider many people here totally deaf) to hear difference between Sunrise and much more expensive tube amps. Many people her dont even understand the physics of nature. No tube amp or dac will compare to a solidstate regarding details, spatial presentation and bass slam, no matter what design it is. There is no point in getting overly expensive tube amps as the damn tube is the weaklink and noone can do anyhting about that.
People talked the most about thing they know the least about and that has been the problem with human beings the last 5000years. Not only in head-fi.
How can you all AGREE on this when noone of you ever heard it? Many of you havent even tried anything like the equipment i show on post 80 either. And still you keep talking that the Sunrise cant compare. Its really crazy. There is no logic here.
Again, agree on what? Many respondents on this thread have been requests for proof, not counter claims that your claim is false. It's hard to believe, but if you want to convince, offer proof.
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Try the Sunrise with a good tube. A more expensive hybrid will not be able to match it, and probably be worse.
Wouldn't this mean that the Sunrise's design could also be nothing special?
It occurs to me that if the tube is basically all that matters in determining the sound of a hybrid amp, then the Sunrise can't be better than other amps. By that logic any hybrid using the same tube will sound like every other hybrid with that same tube. So they're equal, so the Sunrise can't be the best.
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That is what people do in this forum. Speak before they heard it themself, or tried it or whatever.
And by calling the Sunrise the best amp, you must (by definition) be saying that it beats all other amps, but since you can't have tried all other amps, then aren't you speaking before you've heard all the others?
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Most people on these forums will not have the ears(I consider many people here totally deaf) to hear difference between Sunrise and much more expensive tube amps.
So, if most of us on this (or any similar) forum can't hear the difference, then it defeats the purpose of recommending the Sunrise to us, yes? I mean, if the majority of us are as incapable as you say, then why are we even talking about dedicated, external amps? It's just a waste of money.
And again, how do you know that "most people" can't distinguish between the Sunrise and more expensive amps? If we haven't heard it yet...how can you already predict the outcome?
And on top of that, why are you comparing the Sunrise to more expensive amps? Surely you believe that price is no indicator of quality; that's why you feel justified in saying something at its price range beats much pricier amps.
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Many people her dont even understand the physics of nature. No tube amp or dac will compare to a solidstate regarding details, spatial presentation and bass slam, no matter what design it is. There is no point in getting overly expensive tube amps as the damn tube is the weaklink and noone can do anyhting about that.
Are you exempt from this category? I mean, seriously and without any intention to insult, how do I or how does anyone here know that you do know much about amps? You'd have to convince us, yes? In like manner, we'd have to convince you that we know about amps if we said we found an amp that is exceptionally good, or the best.
I recommend the Sunrise regarding price. It uses the best discrete components. It uses a very good wall-wart. It is a nice design. The volume knob is fantastic. It uses the full potential of the double triode. Other hybrids use 2 tubes, but you only need one.
But I dont really care what other people think or do. I just wanted to tell about this little amp.
Sunrise is special regarding its price and very good design decisions and top quality components. The PCB is even gold layered and very thick. You get no amp with this kind of quality. Though GOLD PCB dont really help as the tube is the weaklink as we now should know.
A fantastic amp. A fantastic product. Made by someone clever.
This thread is not "the whole head-fi community" coming down on you or the Sunrise by saying that we agree much the Sunrise couldn't possibly beat much more expensive amps.
How can you all AGREE on this when noone of you ever heard it? Many of you havent even tried anything like the equipment i show on post 80 either. And still you keep talking that the Sunrise cant compare. Its really crazy. There is no logic here.
you are arguing that statement out of context. you have got to be trolling at this point. because if you had taken that statement in context he was merely explaining that we are asking for you to back up your claim with sources or reviews or something. instead you just pull some random crap out of a post and argue, and then continue to tell everyone who will read it that we are not good enough to know the difference. and that we are not qualified to determine sound quality for our selves. that we are incapable of making decisions and forming our own opinions.
anyways.
nice job selling your amp. im definitely not buying one at this point.
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