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post #8851 of 11248
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Originally Posted by TT600R View Post

I own the HD800 for some years now, and feel sometimes, it lacks some slam and punch...
I have the HD800 and that is a trade off for the immense soundstage..
So it's not a total solution and after hearing the three LCDs I think the LCD X is a better solution than hd800..
Edited by Maxx134 - 4/8/14 at 5:31am
post #8852 of 11248
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I have the HD800 and that is a trade off for the immense soundstage..
So it's not a total solution and after hearing the three LCDs I think the LCD X is a better solution than hd800..

 

Unless you accept that there is no single headphone which will cater to all musical choices...and therefore the best solution is to have both an HD800 and an LCD-3 depending on the music you are listening to :)

 

In the US the pricepoint differential between an HD800 and LCD-3 is about 400 USD. But the differential in Europe between the two is considerably larger at 1100 USD!!

post #8853 of 11248
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Yes. Don't know how to put it exactly. With the Burson especially, the LCD3 without fazor sounded a bit lackluster in the vocals in comparison, the one with the fazor was a bit more dynamic in that area. The difference between the two was harder to pick up on the Auralic because the vocals on the non fazor LCD3 were great on that one too. I had decided almost straight away that I liked the fazor one better so never went back to the non fazor LCD3 after that. Spent about 1hr listening to the non fazor and about 2 hours to the fazor one.

 

I think the non fazor LCD3 with the Burson, I wouldn't be happy with it, but the fazor LCD3 with the Burson I would be. They were both great with the Auralic with the fazor one still a bit more dynamic. Maybe it has more to do with how each one paired with the amps rather than the fazor. Not sure.

 

mlxx, a question, which do you find more forgiving and/or scaleable?

post #8854 of 11248
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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post
 

 

Unless you accept that there is no single headphone which will cater to all musical choices...and therefore the best solution is to have both an HD800 and an LCD-3 depending on the music you are listening to :)

 

Hi,  is it fair to characterize which music genre either headphone is better suited? Forgive  my ignorance as I am a newbie. So I mostly listen to Jazz and classical. But I also listen to classic rock sometimes.

 

Thanks

post #8855 of 11248
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post
 

and there is no more FR graph in the box. They said people were opening all the boxes wanting the best one.

This reminds me of the annoying people that shuck all the corn at the grocery store. I support their decision to stop that.

 

As stated on their website, the FR graph is just an email away. I requested FR graphs for both of my headphones after hours Sunday night and got a response for both before noon on Monday morning.

post #8856 of 11248
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Originally Posted by jmm007 View Post
 

Hi,  is it fair to characterize which music genre either headphone is better suited? Forgive  my ignorance as I am a newbie. So I mostly listen to Jazz and classical. But I also listen to classic rock sometimes.

 

Thanks

 

Not by genre...more about the number of instruments or the staging. The LCD-3 reigns supreme with anything intimate, like a guitarist and a vocal, or a small band. As soon as you start to go full orchestra classical, or a large band, or music where there is an intentional aim to layer lots of sounds covering a wide apparent listening space, then the HD-800 may be a better listen. When the LCD-3 is presented with full orchestra music it tends to sound like the instruments are all on top of each other and to me can make it sound congested, or trapped, somehow. But for a guitar solo, an intimate vocal or a small band, nothing seems to come close to my LCD-3.

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Yeah agreed. LCD-3 is open sounding yet due to it's voicing can at times sound a bit heavy or congested. Whereas I found the HD800 a bit more neutral throughout and easier on the ears for all music without getting thin and too big sounding or anything heavy.

 

I found the LCD-3 to do better with slow-medium paced music. That's where it really shined. For electronic music, I preferred the LCD-2 over LCD-3 because of the slam of LCD-2.

post #8858 of 11248
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mlxx, a question, which do you find more forgiving and/or scaleable?

 

I had demoed the LCD3 three times before over a 2 year period so I knew I liked it (better than the HD800 and the LCDX) so I was more concerned in finding an amp to go with it at the time. I went there wanting to get the Burson Conductor but then I had second thoughts after I tried it with the Auralic. So I decided to crank open the LCD3 with fazor that I had just bought to see how that sounded on the better amps because I just own the NFB15. The fazor one sounded better on the Burson which I noticed straight away, it sounded a bit more like what the Auralic did, I might end up getting the Burson after all. So on that basis I would say the fazor is more forgiving. I also tried the fazor one on the Sugden Masterclass HA-4 with the Vega and it sounded excellent on that too (better than the Burson) and the with fazor sounded better on my NFB15 too. It was just that little bit more alive, more dynamic.

 

The only other headphone that I have owned, that was any good, was the Hifiman HE400 that I had for the last 2 years. The HE400 has great bass but the mids are sucked out and the treble is very tizzy but if you EQ it its actually a very good headphone for the price. I had A/B'd the HE400 against the LCD3 a few times but only briefly and I couldn't justify the $2k for the LCD3. However that tizz eventually drills into your brain until you can no longer stand it. It was most apparent when I listened to my B&W mm-1 speakers, they have silky smooth treble and vocals in comparison (and also great bass for such small speakers).

 

After listening to the LCD3 all night (on the NFB15) it's sounding absolutely great. Should have got it 2 years ago and spared myself the pain. Its making even my NFB15 sound like a high quality amp. Compared to the HE400, I feel the LCD3 has substantially a more hard hitting and tighter bass. The vocals are way more natural sounding and the treble is night and day better. There were many songs I just wouldn't dare to play with the HE400, they just didn't sound right (when compared to my speakers). Everything I throw at the LCD3 is sounding better than I have ever heard it before. I had read how the soundstage and the treble is lacking on the Audeze's but I am not finding that at all. I didn't even think about soundstage until about 5 hours into listening when I remembered what people were saying and then I paid attention to it. The HE400 has slightly larger soundstage but I think the LCD3's soundstage suits its sound very well, no problems at all. Also the treble I think is just right. Very well extended and not tizzy or sibilant at all and sparkly.

 

I am finding it is quite easy to turn the volume up with the LCD3 because they sound so good, I am going to find it hard to turn it down. Could be bad for my ears.
 

post #8859 of 11248
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

This reminds me of the annoying people that shuck all the corn at the grocery store. I support their decision to stop that.

 

As stated on their website, the FR graph is just an email away. I requested FR graphs for both of my headphones after hours Sunday night and got a response for both before noon on Monday morning.

 

Yeah they said that I have to get the graph online now but I was still looking through the box for it, all I found was stickers.

post #8860 of 11248
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I had demoed the LCD3 three times before over a 2 year period so I knew I liked it (better than the HD800 and the LCDX) so I was more concerned in finding an amp to go with it at the time. I went there wanting to get the Burson Conductor but then I had second thoughts after I tried it with the Auralic. So I decided to crank open the LCD3 with fazor that I had just bought to see how that sounded on the better amps because I just own the NFB15. The fazor one sounded better on the Burson which I noticed straight away, it sounded a bit more like what the Auralic did, I might end up getting the Burson after all. So on that basis I would say the fazor is more forgiving. I also tried the fazor one on the Sugden Masterclass HA-4 with the Vega and it sounded excellent on that too (better than the Burson) and the with fazor sounded better on my NFB15 too. It was just that little bit more alive, more dynamic.

 

The only other headphone that I have owned, that was any good, was the Hifiman HE400 that I had for the last 2 years. The HE400 has great bass but the mids are sucked out and the treble is very tizzy but if you EQ it its actually a very good headphone for the price. I had A/B'd the HE400 against the LCD3 a few times but only briefly and I couldn't justify the $2k for the LCD3. However that tizz eventually drills into your brain until you can no longer stand it. It was most apparent when I listened to my B&W mm-1 speakers, they have silky smooth treble and vocals in comparison (and also great bass for such small speakers).

 

After listening to the LCD3 all night (on the NFB15) it's sounding absolutely great. Should have got it 2 years ago and spared myself the pain. Its making even my NFB15 sound like a high quality amp. Compared to the HE400, I feel the LCD3 has substantially a more hard hitting and tighter bass. The vocals are way more natural sounding and the treble is night and day better. There were many songs I just wouldn't dare to play with the HE400, they just didn't sound right (when compared to my speakers). Everything I throw at the LCD3 is sounding better than I have ever heard it before. I had read how the soundstage and the treble is lacking on the Audeze's but I am not finding that at all. I didn't even think about soundstage until about 5 hours into listening when I remembered what people were saying and then I paid attention to it. The HE400 has slightly larger soundstage but I think the LCD3's soundstage suits its sound very well, no problems at all. Also the treble I think is just right. Very well extended and not tizzy or sibilant at all and sparkly.

 

I am finding it is quite easy to turn the volume up with the LCD3 because they sound so good, I am going to find it hard to turn it down. Could be bad for my ears.
 

 

Thanks for the info !! ^^     Let's hope it scales a bit better so it shows on my master-7 master-8 combo.

post #8861 of 11248
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post
 

 

I had demoed the LCD3 three times before over a 2 year period so I knew I liked it (better than the HD800 and the LCDX) so I was more concerned in finding an amp to go with it at the time. I went there wanting to get the Burson Conductor but then I had second thoughts after I tried it with the Auralic. So I decided to crank open the LCD3 with fazor that I had just bought to see how that sounded on the better amps because I just own the NFB15. The fazor one sounded better on the Burson which I noticed straight away, it sounded a bit more like what the Auralic did, I might end up getting the Burson after all. So on that basis I would say the fazor is more forgiving. I also tried the fazor one on the Sugden Masterclass HA-4 with the Vega and it sounded excellent on that too (better than the Burson) and the with fazor sounded better on my NFB15 too. It was just that little bit more alive, more dynamic.

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I found the Sudgen MasterClass HA-4 to be the most overpriced amplifier I have ever heard. For that price, it lacks power , attack, transparency,details,  etc

post #8862 of 11248
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

I found the Sudgen MasterClass HA-4 to be the most overpriced amplifier I have ever heard. For that price, it lacks power , attack, transparency,details,  etc

 

 

Maybe you need the fazor. :wink:

 

Yeah its not something I would buy, priced at $2.5k here and looks like a tank. Did sound good tho, couldn't tell much difference between it and the Luxman P700. That Vega dac it was paired with is very nice though, I tried the Vega with the Conductor too and it was better than its internal dac. Also tried my NFB15 DAC with the Auralic Tauras 2, but it lost its magic. Everything was from a CD player so no USB involved.

post #8863 of 11248
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post
 

 

 

Maybe you need the fazor. :wink:

 

Yeah its not something I would buy, priced at $2.5k here and looks like a tank. Did sound good tho, couldn't tell much difference between it and the Luxman P700. That Vega dac it was paired with is very nice though, I tried the Vega with the Conductor too and it was better than its internal dac. Also tried my NFB15 DAC with the Auralic Tauras 2, but it lost its magic. Everything was from a CD player so no USB involved.

Tested it with more headphones, including HD800, has nothing to do with the fazor. It looks like a tank but it doesn't weigh a lot, it is quite light. I think Conductor / Soloist blows it away.

post #8864 of 11248
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Will get back to all of you shortly and we appreciate your enthusiasm.
Audeze

As much as I love my Audezes, this is like the third time in the last month Ive seen them say this and then you never hear from them again.
post #8865 of 11248
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

Tested it with more headphones, including HD800, has nothing to do with the fazor. It looks like a tank but it doesn't weigh a lot, it is quite light. I think Conductor / Soloist blows it away.

 

Well I am not trying to push it or anything, its just one they had on hand that they suggested would pair well. I really wanted to like the Conductor, I am from Melbourne (where it is made) so its easy for me to get it. I have a feeling its more to do with its dac than the amp, it was just lacking a bit mainly in the vocals. Maybe the BB dac module would do better. Once I had heard the Auralic I just couldn't get myself to buy it, needed more time. Was just joking about the fazor.

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