im writing this from work were the spell checker (along with almost everything else) is disabled, so i appologize for any spelling mistakes i may make.
Originally Posted by Trae
1- I'm not saying that subjective analysis is worthless either. In reality, you need both in order to really decide what you want. I was just trying to emphasize that objective measurement should be taken more seriously. There are some things that can't be objectively measured like comfort and soundstage, to an extent (nobody really measures soundstage performance nowadays). Objective measurements are nothing more than an indication of what the headphones sound like. Some people aren't able to audition the headphones they want, so they will have to go with the second best: written/video reviews and measurements.
2- I'm pretty sure that whole paragraph is in my perspective, and I think this is where our perspectives collide. I choose my headphones according to the specs of the driver, not by what music I listen to. If the driver is good, then it should be good with all types of music. The headphone enclosure generally shapes the driver to cater to a certain genre. For instance, my ad900s stock are generally known for being bass light. Is it because of the driver? No. Throw on better sealing earpads, bend the headband, and you have basshead worthy headphones.
3- I agree.
4- Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from. I should have said so in my previous post. Some people are just that way.
5- Again, that paragraph was in my perspective (Key words: Unlike you), and I was just giving you my viewpoint: Once you go black, you can't go back
1 - yep, graphs and measurements are good for people like me who simply dont have the option of auditioning the headphones first. but you want people to take them MORE seriously? i think people take them too seriously anyway. they are important, they can be helpful, but at the end of the day, i view them as a tool, a means to an end. many seem to treat them as an end in themselves, seeking better performance measurements and better looking graphs, because they feel this is the only way to determine their value. i disagree, i think value is subjective and the end goal should be your personal preferance.
2 - i dont get what you mean with my vs. your perspective. but as for what you said, keep in mind that not all people are D.I.Yers. i know im quite far from it. so perhaps you need the measurements to determine the abilitys of the driver. but i would read reviews of the ad900x and realize that they arent basshead cans - and then give up on them.
3-4 - im glad we understand each other
5 - again, i dont get the perspective thing your talking about. but would you really perfer silence over badly represented music? i dont think i would...
Originally Posted by Oregonian
Why did I try them? They were recommended as a great headphone that could be made to produce bass at a level to make a basshead jealous (not exactly those words but that was the gist) while getting all the benefits of an ortho phone.......from someone here who has tried dozens of headphones and seems to be an expert.
Glad I tried them. It answered the question I had about them and now I know what I don't want.
And I must be dense but I have no idea where you live. No problem. Anyway, good luck in school. I have two daughters in school - one at Oregon and one in nursing school.
oregon?? no, im far from the U.S.A... but thank you for your kind wishes =]
could you comment on the mad dogs bass texture and quality? i understand you found the quantity lacking, but the little that was - was it good? is it compareable to other basshead cans you know of?
Originally Posted by Malevolent
This. Every review I read only serves to give me an idea of what it sounds like. The actual sound is something different altogether. It's really hard to explain why a headphone sounds better than the other. You can say, "Oh, the treble is more extended, and you can see it in the graphs". These are all objective measurements that only serve as a small window to the big picture. Once you put on the headphones and listen to your favorite tracks, you will instantly know whether this headphone is for you, or not. Some headphones take a tad longer to achieve that feel, but for most of my headphones, I knew I wanted them the moment I listened with them.
Your post really hits home, Oregonian. I really love loads of bass in my cans, as it perfectly complements my taste in music. Detailed cans are good for some, but it's definitely not for me. I've listened to a few hi-fi cans, but they were certainly not involving in the least bit. Yup, everything sounded clearer and more detailed than most, if not all, of my basshead cans, but then.. where's the bass? For what it's worth, I can appreciate these cans for what they are, but at the end of the day, I know what I want to listen to, and there's no way anybody's going to tell me that my choice of cans is lo-fi or at best mid-fi. It's just great-fi to me.
Frankly speaking, I don't let graphs dominate my choice in headphones. They serve as a tool to provide others with an insight as to a headphone's objective qualities, but it is no way a deciding factor when I am purchasing my headphones. Maybe some people are too caught up in the graphs and the science to truly appreciate the art of it all. After all, that's why we got into this hobby, right?
i think i agree with everything (more or less) that you said there.
as for the science, i do enjoy learning it, i take my time and study little bits at a time to fill in the dead time at work, but other than the hobby side of it, i think the science should be more of a tool for matching your gear with the right counterparts (impedance vs sensitivity for example), and less of a grand cause as others seem to make it out to be.