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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

You should seriously look into vibrating headphones man.

 

I'm not even kidding. I've always been a huge fan, they are hard to come by.

 

A dream of mine is to get some, and do a driver transplant - to keep the vibrating mechanism, and put in dampening, and decent drivers.

 

I got the sz which do that for me.

I heard the Skullcandy crushers and that sensation is on the ears. I can get the sensation from real drivers working really hard. These cans are unique freaks. I never said otherwise. They are stuffed with tech that fails unless it's powerfully amped. The series died because the execution was fine but the idea flawed. Very few folks wanna hear headphones amped to points that seem wrong. No these were designed for that but that crowd is just too damn small. For Hip Hop heads these are perfect.

The ONLY 2 cans that impact like it would be the Yamaha Pro 500 or Ultrasone Pro 900. or 77's. 

These are genre' specific cans. I got enough money to go that route. 

 

If you lived in Japan I could treat you to an experience you might never want twice but you may  have never had once. A set that ties together only after enormous amping at the 50Hz and 2k points. It's a sonic experience. It will retrieve the entire mix at massive volume but not tear your head off with piercing highs. 

 

I am a loud mouthed dude trying to out ______ folks every chance I get. For head pounding I can make everybody with celebrity endorsed cans and stuff with packaging that says BASS on them feel really sad...and that makes me feel really good. :D

 

The new Akai

 

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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post

Lol you guys really have to realize that there are a few new people on this thread that you just CANNOT argue with.


It's becoming a bit tedious. 

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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post
 

I'm not sure I understand why you and Hawaiibadboy try your distortion tests.

 

I can understand going all the way with the EQ, but at listening levels. But turning a vintage amplifier all the way up like that? Why? What's the point? Also, you really should try listening to that vintage amplifier without the FiiO E11, as it may just be better sounding as well.

 

I'm a fan of car audio subwoofers. The obnoxious kind you feel from blocks away. I'm also a fan of rock concert loudspeakers. This experience, as you know, is not purely auditory as it involves full body bone conduction. Using headphones is already a compromise to the tactile aspect of the maximum bass experience; however, any pair of headphones that could sustain low frequencies at normal rock concert loud levels would be a forgivable alternative to the real thing. In my search for basshead in-ears, I have found only one series that could reproduce low frequencies at front-row rock concert levels: the Sennheiser CX series, specifically the now discontinued CX500 (same as CX400). It is not so much a distortion test to me as it is an absolute minimum requirement. Almost all of the headphones I had auditioned distorted the low frequencies before reaching my required loudness level, and none of the full-size cans I tried even reached half the bass level I needed, which made me believe--incorrectly--that only in-ears have the technology to reproduce lower frequencies efficiently.

 

But here steps in @Hawaiibadboy, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge. I actually typed a quote about Satan, but anyway, Hawaii suddenly barges in on here, listens earnestly to everyone's recommendations, diligently tests 200-250 pairs in Denki shops in Japan, and screams BS at everybody. Hawaii was searching for one thing: the loudest and deepest bass cans. It is such a straightforward need, which can be objectively measured with a straightforward test: the pair that can sustain low frequencies at the highest volume, without distortion, wins. In his initial test, the JVC HA-MR77X won.

 

I've never seen anyone else as devoid of pretense as Hawaii in the years I lurked reading headphone reviews. I bought the MR77X, and they were the first full-size headphones that satisfied my insane bass cravings.

 

Having confirmed Hawaii's legitimacy, I am now a proud owner of the JVC HA-SZ2000 as well.

 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I wanna know my headroom. I may not go there often but I do not want to be limited by the driver. I want to be limited by my ears. I don't wanna find out it's one and not the other down the road. I wanna know now. Before I pay. Just my preference. 

 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

Quality is subjective .....Bass pushing your head and vibrating your skull and upper neck is objective.

 

Damn straight.

 

There is a small factor regarding the threshold of loudness/pain, where it shifts depending on motivation or expectation. Although according to your results, this doesn't even matter because most of the headphones distorted so soon.

 

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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

Tried the JVC - SZ2000 in my local Jaben a couple days ago. Sorry Hawaii, I didn't like them at all. Mids were far too recessed for my liking and personally, I didn't find the bass that great when compared to my Q40 on my 627 MICRO.

 

 

This would be more helpful if you posted the exact files you were playing, just as @Subere obliged when comparing the SZ to the XB700.

 

This is what Subere posted in the SZ2000 thread:

 

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Originally Posted by Subere View Post
 

 

I get the sub-bass there, just no punch. I really like this track for sub-bass:

 

 

Here are some tracks that really punch on my XB700s, but are flat on my SZ2000s:

 

 

 

At first I confirmed that Feed Me - Strange Behaviour (ft. Tasha Baxter) was flat, but that was just the intro. Subere was referring to the drop at 1:08. To me, with my maximum bass extreme setup, that drop was nothing near "flat." Although there is no way for me to compare with the Sony XB700. Also, more importantly, Subere was listening with no EQ straight from a soundcard (ALC892) and only at normal volume. This is not even remotely at the level Hawaii and I want our bass. Using a similar soundcard (ALC889), I need an amp to be satisfied with the bass volume, and I have yet to confirm if the SZ is the one distorting or my soundcard clipping the lower frequencies.

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

I notice one big conflict here, HBB is talking about heavily boosted bass + loud volume usage and BucketInABucket is talking about EQ-less non bass boosted usage and probably not near as loud levels as HBB.

You can't compare both those usage scenarios to each other and neither is HBB's scenario nor BucketInABucket more "correct" or "deciding", that's a question of personal taste and if one doesn't like boosting bass or listen loud he doesn't have to compare it that way either. I personally like boosting the bass using digiZoid ZO amp but I don't like listening loud for example, I use the constant same volume setting all the time to adapt to a lower vol listening (if I never push up the volume then my brain doesn't lust for it either).

Besides the different listening habits/scenarios, then we have another important aspect to think about, different genres provide very different kinds of bass. As total opposite to HBB's hip-hop I will show a hardstyle example with a particularly well fitting beat that is like the polar-opposite of what hip-hop beats are like. Q40 in particular does extremely well with hardstyle kicks (you call the beats as "kicks" in hardstyle). It provides a very satisfying impact/hit, it's not so much about audible bass in hardstyle, it's more about the impact/punch. It's fast but hard-hitting, fast-decaying with lots of "texture" you can call it as there's mids/highs that are mixed INTO the beat itself and it's also "distorted" in various ways to give it an interesting sound. 

Here's an example:


Here's the kind of bass that I'm more into for example and Q40 hit so hard with this kind of bass. I'm just using this as an example that the fact that people can like different kinds of things in bass, for me it's the "impact", the slam or whatever that is satisfying, Q40 do that well in relative to the amount bass quantity it packs and also provides good overall sound quality when bass put aside.

 

I'm a fan of your reviews @RPGWiZaRD, especially your posts regarding PC soundcards. This is just a clarification, although I know you already know this:

 

Hip-hop beats are as diverse as genres are diverse, and with music's unending evolution, genres breed new forms of music. And Hawaii's taste in rap and hip-hop isn't confined to the prototype hip-hop beat:

 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

The biggest question I had for about 2 weeks. How on earth are the 77's not being pushed by J.V.C?  

 

My conclusions:

 

1. The audiophile crowd in Japan is quite enamored with name branding. Beats Pro are widely considered by some of the biggest audiophile headphone shops as being "subarashi" (wonderful) The shops top seller rankings reflect this. I have friends who are DJ's and they have no comment about Beats (meaning they are over pushed and priced) They use Sony mostly for DJ gigs. They are pro's though (The DJ's i mean)

 

Most view Japan as an audiophile /otaku dreamland and it is but the  % of Audiophiles.. being folks who seek pure sonic signatures is less than the % in America.  The Beats hate is far far stronger back in America than over here. That doesn't mesh with the image of Japan by most western audiophiles. If it's popular they want one. The West following the East in terms of Hi-Fidelity is backwards. They are smitten with the West. Beats are expensive and well promoted and endorsed and that assures they are popular here. Folks look at FOSTEX and some other high end models in awe the  way Japanese look at Euro hi end manufacturers. The Bang & Olufsen new series is booming on the J net and blogs. They are fashionable, expensive and made in Europe. Nuff said (for the great great majority which are not audiophiles)

 

So #1. They are smitten with outside Hi fi (the grass is always greener in the other yard mentality)

 

2. The most popular Japanese music is J-Pop. By a very very wide margin. It emphasizes highs...really really sparkly highs. EDM and Club have a bigger market than Hip Hop so there are few artists who could/would endorse a bass-centric Japanese made cans. A great many Japanese may not even know too many folks from that niche' besides DJ Kaori.

 

3. Market...this may be the real #1 . Japan lost the DAP market to Apple. The % of portable music devices used in 1990 were about 80% Japanese made and now 25 years later a paradigm shift has happened. They are on the other side. They also lost ground in flat panel manufacturing to the point where samsung panels now sit in some Sony Bravias. 

 

A Japanese meeting is not really a meeting but a series of announcements with a tatemae question of "is there any question"......nobody is expected to actually ask a question.

 

J.V.C. is Victor Company of Japan, Ltd (日本ビクター株式会社 Nippon Bikutā Kabushiki-gaisha),

 

The Bass market is not seen as one they can crack. Sony is seen as the J audio maker with bass headphone pedigree as well as pioneer but J.V.C is seen and may see itself as more of a home audio maker. Truth is that market is tapped in their mind and nobody will choose a J.V.C over an imported bass can where they think it ...bass-centric was invented.

 

I have students who work at Sony, Hitachi and Pioneer affiliates. They are all very maji mei (serious) and short focus (next financial quarter) because Japan has been through a generation of economic stagnation. This all sounds far from headphone talk but it's related.

 

J.V.C has a deeper pedigree than most anyone as they helped create the sonic backdrop for the birth of Rap and Hip-hop....They lost their mojo....which is why most Japanese have iphones and Beats not Walkmen.

 

 

I bought my JVC boombox because it looked like a tank and sounds like one too

 

 

I bought the JVC XX's because they (the 55's) blew me away and caused me to give my Beats to my GF and she listens to Glee episodes on HULU. 

 

I pushed them to the edge because they were cheap and fun and they had a bigger brother. That bigger brother is an animal. A very slept on under the radar beast. There are 2 identical named 57mm XX's but one is "new version" and one is not. get the "new version".

 

Europe has a sound listening law for headphone output. These cans I assure you violate that law when amped. They are waiting for you. Get em. Tune and amp them and wait for a friend with Beats or V-moda or any other Bass-centric cans and then pounce. Swallow them. Make them feel like I did when i looked at the price on the 55's v.s. my Beats studio's and Pro's. I felt like a moron. The 77's? Get a picture of their face. 

Call it

"Audio Butt hurt":atsmile:

 

 

 

 

These are 5-6 songs it got tuned too. i used them for very slight adjustments on the bass hit. If you like this kind of hit your gonna fall in love.

 

 

Impact and extension

 

 

Sonic impact (upper mid techno grind hit follows a super bass hit)

 

 

 

long throw hit from 35-80Hz

 

 

 

How low do they go?? (this one will show you the truth when amped ;)  )

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can say that these tracks and the one in my sig along with Geto Boys "Assassins" hit harder with the 77's than anything your friends have.  If you EVER hear a harder slam  on cans you come back here and tell me...I'd LOVE to know what that is? As of March 1st 2014 it don't exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LL would be a great spokeman for these .:D

 

I like it loud
I'm the man with a box that can rock the crowd
Walkin' down the street, to the hardcore beat
While my JVC vibrates the concrete

 

"I Can't Live Without My Radio"  LL Cool J (1985)

 

There is also a scientific discussion regarding the perception of subwoofer bass discussed by engineers in this thread. The general consensus is that, room modes aside (the importance of earpad acoustics and so on), "It sounds the same if EQ'd the same." The standing hypothesis is that the subjective qualities often used to describe bass such as "fast," "slow," "tight," and so on, are more easily explained by magnitude response "based on gain, Q, and frequency of each resonance."

 

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The SZ is woeful for EDM, there's not enough low bass in most of the music to satisfy you. I listen to a lot of trance and most of that type of music is made using a synth so you need more mid bass impact and upper mids. Also very important is for the bass not to bleed into the mids for this music. All this the SZ does not do well at. Where the SZ does well in is the low bass impact, and as HBB says it is crazy bass. It actually makes my TH600 sound like treble head cans when I put it on straight after the SZ.

 

As I shared in my previous paragraph, "[Bass reproduction] sounds the same if EQ'd the same." But accurate EQing is no easy feat, for according to @PiccoloNamek's famous EQ tutorial, and this is a second-hand quote, "'an acoustic impedance mismatch between transducer, ear canal, and eardrum' is causing a resonance that results in a large peak at 7.5kHz, coloring the sound." However, in my real-world applications, you can approximate equivalent sound signatures by ear with a parametric EQ like Equalizer APO. It's easy to raise the upper bass (often described as "bloated," but apparently so many are a fan of this kind of bass; Google "XB700" + "bloated") with EQ. As stated, it is possible and demonstrable to match frequency responses. However, if a pair of headphones distorts at a certain intensity, there is no helping it. It becomes an impossibility. It becomes a concrete limit.

 

I have a life-long passion for metal music, and experiencing the sound of this bass playing three hundred beats per minute in a death metal track is like plunging deep into the earth only to find you're ascending to the other side.

 

If you lend me your best pair and it can't give me a transcendental experience with the following tracks, I will throw your headphones back at your face (lightly, as a joke, I'm not violent):

 

 

 

Here is a bonus Denpa songu if you think dance music is mostly bloated bass:

 

 


Edited by PocketSmiley - 4/8/14 at 7:29am
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This thread has been making me sad of late.

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@PocketSmiley 

 

You are me with a better vocabulary and a lot of patience. I forgot I typed that stuff.:D

I only talk Hip Hop and bass impact. I limit my discussions to it because for me that's what headphones do. I am trying to simulate a car audio subwoofer system. Separate 1000 watt amps running to each 15" subwoofer like in my car.

 

@Oregonian 

 

Not sure if that comment was aimed at me but I have been nothing but respectful to you because you own the cans I will buy when the whole spectrum is given equal attention. Th900 or DX1000 are my future laid back listening cans. That's already been decided. I only argue bass impact because I will but it whatever it is. A person comparing 40mm drivers housed in plastic that are tuned very well and do hit above their price line and driver size...... being compared to 55mm cnt drivers with a hard housing...being compared it seemed as being equal or inferior was off the charts. Like I said...objective v.s. subjective. It's not even an argument I'm just a tool for acting like a fool but there is no real debate in there.

 

PocketSmiley and RPGWizard are assets to this thread. They both post long well articulated posts explaining their position/opinion/facts

 

I prefer that over snarky one liners 10 times outta 10 myself

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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

This thread has been making me sad of late.

 

Yeah, the guy who gathers the views of 3 different users and their varying opinions gets no rec but your sadness just got one. :blink:

That's nice.

Kinda symbolic of the whole thing.

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I think I'll post longer and more thoroughly thought out posts, since everyone seems to enjoy them so much. biggrin.gif
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Hey Hawaii, have you thought about contacting jvc with your thoughts? You might be able to convince them to market better. Your thoughts are beautiful man. Almost brings me to tears of bassy joy. Send those thoughts in. It might make its way up to the top brass if you word it well enough. Tell them, YOU NEED TO MARKET."
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Hey Hawaii, have you thought about contacting jvc with your thoughts? You might be able to convince them to market better. Your thoughts are beautiful man. Almost brings me to tears of bassy joy. Send those thoughts in. It might make its way up to the top brass if you word it well enough. Tell them, YOU NEED TO MARKET."

 

They ****ed up the sz. I cannot fix that. I can just advise Hip Hop heads to grab these and amp them and change the pads and they will be in the car with the subs.

It's 250 bucks when many ask for so much more and give so much less. J.V.C makes what i like and that's their problem. Not enough "me's"

 

 

 

These Akai are so well made and now are bass cans. 

 

**my youtube playlist contains Japanese dvd porn stands**;)

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Lol you guys really have to realize that there are a few new people on this thread that you just CANNOT argue with.

Eh? And here I've been thinking that this was one of the more argumentative (but extremely interesting and diverse as a result) threads on head-fi. I must be wrong then!

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This is Hip -Hop This is what I listen to.

Put your headphones on and turn em up and listen to me carefully when i say your cans do not hit as hard on any of these tracks.

 

People comer on here looking for the hardest hitting cans and nobody told them or me about these cans.  You can twist it anyway you like but I have never said anything besides I wanted the hardest hitting cans. The kind that makes your upper neck vibrate. Head? The Beats Pro, Yamaha 500 will do that but they don't hit as hard as the sz....or..I ...would ...buy...them

 

I boost 50Hz  +20dB<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Most cans cannot even take that assignment. 

The songs below are songs. Vocals and high hits and bass. I can hear it all and when these cans are amped a lot they all come together. I listen to them for that and they sound just fine.

 

They are for Hip-Hop to me and I have never told anyone otherwise not once.

I do not listen to basstronic crap. I listen to Hip Hop.

 

Humor me. Bookmark this post. Listen to these tracks (a variety of low mid and upper bass low freq hits. The sz play these made for the masses tracks louder and harder than anything I have heard. The pro 900 have great upper bass but they get lost below 45Hz rapidly to almost nothing a 25.

 

This isn't even opinion like bass textures and roll offs ...I'm talking about physical impact on your body with an undistorted hit being reproduced by a driver that isn't even stressing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a sample of my playlist. I listen loud and hard. I'm a basshead. If you know a set that will hit these hits harder than an sz then tell me so I can test them and then buy em'

Please.

 

Sorry for offending anyone.

 

@BucketInABucket

 

 

For kicks just boost the 50Hz +20dB which will start a curve around audible and diminish around 75-90hz

 

It's worth noting that these guys always seemed to know...in fact it may have been a goal to simulate a room with big speakers at high volume. The materials require it be boosted which is why the creators....are of course amping them. These are not low listening level cans. I don't think they ever were even intended to be

 

 

 

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to go to my local Jaben as I wasted almost my time tonight just finding some suitable wire for DiY projects, but I did get a chance to use the FiiO E12 (but I forgot to take pictures again, sorry). With its bass boost on along with the DX50's EQ I already feel like there's tons of bass. Seeing as I'm currently in HK though, I'll have plenty of opportunities to try out the level of bass boost that you're talking about. I'm one of the lesser bassheads on this thread though; I barely count seeing as the only basshead thing I do is have the Q40! Don't worry, you didn't offend me at all - more like confused me as to the way you replied at first. No hard feelings though, you have gotten me interested in true type-3 bass boosting! It's my bad that I didn't listen to them with the intended purpose in mind too, so its good to know that I've been doing something wrong. I don't have any hip-hop in my music library either, so that alone will have caused a difference in opinion.

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This would be more helpful if you posted the exact files you were playing

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Again, my bad. I'll do it now I guess.

^above two tracks sound alright with my Q40 but weird when listening to the JVCs to me, especially the violin part. I don't know exactly how to describe the effect, but it's somewhat similar to looking through gunnars when you're used to normal glasses. In short, it doesn't sound exactly right. The bass beat in shadows I am especially familiar with, and when I used the JVCs they sounded a bit bloated and flabby. It might just be me not being used to the amount of bass or the tuning of the JVCs and requiring a burn-in period though as I've probably been spoilt by the refined but still emphasized bass of the Aedle VK-1.

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

A person comparing 40mm drivers housed in plastic that are tuned very well and do hit above their price line and driver size...... being compared to 55mm cnt drivers with a hard housing...being compared it seemed as being equal or inferior was off the charts.

I do apologize for annoying you off with my first post, it was not my intention to post something that seemed a hell of a lot like misinformation. I should clarify that the main thing I didn't like about the JVCs wasn't the bass quality of quantity but the lack of mids.

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Eh? And here I've been thinking that this was one of the more argumentative (but extremely interesting and diverse as a result) threads on head-fi. I must be wrong then!

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to go to my local Jaben as I wasted almost my time tonight just finding some suitable wire for DiY projects, but I did get a chance to use the FiiO E12 (but I forgot to take pictures again, sorry). With its bass boost on along with the DX50's EQ I already feel like there's tons of bass. Seeing as I'm currently in HK though, I'll have plenty of opportunities to try out the level of bass boost that you're talking about. I'm one of the lesser bassheads on this thread though; I barely count seeing as the only basshead thing I do is have the Q40! Don't worry, you didn't offend me at all - more like confused me as to the way you replied at first. No hard feelings though, you have gotten me interested in true type-3 bass boosting! It's my bad that I didn't listen to them with the intended purpose in mind too, so its good to know that I've been doing something wrong. I don't have any hip-hop in my music library either, so that alone will have caused a difference in opinion.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Again, my bad. I'll do it now I guess.

^above two tracks sound alright with my Q40 but weird when listening to the JVCs to me, especially the violin part. I don't know exactly how to describe the effect, but it's somewhat similar to looking through gunnars when you're used to normal glasses. In short, it doesn't sound exactly right. The bass beat in shadows I am especially familiar with, and when I used the JVCs they sounded a bit bloated and flabby. It might just be me not being used to the amount of bass or the tuning of the JVCs and requiring a burn-in period though as I've probably been spoilt by the refined but still emphasized bass of the Aedle VK-1.

I do apologize for annoying you off with my first post, it was not my intention to post something that seemed a hell of a lot like misinformation. I should clarify that the main thing I didn't like about the JVCs wasn't the bass quality of quantity but the lack of mids.

 

I apologize for being an *******.

 

The sz have a mid section that gets better at high ampage but never feels like Fostex or the Q40...clearly. The Q40 are maybe what RPG once said which was a lucky shot in the dark? They got it all right and it's only a cult hit. It was never upgraded or really promoted and it was priced way way below it's performace. The Akai I have with the diaphram breather mod are very very very nice sounding cans. If this is the M-Audio mod then it wasn't a shot in the dark because they did it again with 50mm drivers. very amazing sounding cans. The M-Audio say "High Definition" on the cups...they are not kidding. What a gorgeous sound they put out.

 

Back to the sz.

They are freaks with weakness enough for a couple failed projects but the bass is tight and hard when called for or it would fall apart. The 70mm XB1000 would be what i own but they do bloat under amp. The sz do sound uninspiring when under amped. Big boost and big juice...they pound with definition. 

 

Saying **** like I'd ignore you and calling Australia..:blink:

I was acting like a retard and now have a cellphone bill that will remind me of my tardness. No pics bro. I don't wanna see anything cuz it's ignorant of me to say **** like that. I would like that "rah" track boosted 20db at 50 hz though. if you listen again. The e12 is really a nice piece of well priced hardware. That low end slope is great for anything with lows EDM/Hip Hop/Jazz/R&B

 

That 2nd track will pound if boosted and you eq that hit...it will hit as hard as your ears like. That's a typical studio hit. The violins.........um......I got nothing..sorry. 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 4/8/14 at 8:36am
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Edited by xkonfuzed - 4/8/14 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I apologize for being an *******.

 

The sz have a mid section that gets better at high ampage but never feels like Fostex or the Q40...clearly. The Q40 are maybe what RPG once said which was a lucky shot in the dark? They got it all right and it's only a cult hit. It was never upgraded or really promoted and it was priced way way below it's performace. The Akai I have with the diaphram breather mod are very very very nice sounding cans. If this is the M-Audio mod then it wasn't a shot in the dark because they did it again with 50mm drivers. very amazing sounding cans. The M-Audio say "High Definition" on the cups...they are not kidding. What a gorgeous sound they put out.

 

Back to the sz.

They are freaks with weakness enough for a couple failed projects but the bass is tight and hard when called for or it would fall apart. The 70mm XB1000 would be what i own but they do bloat under amp. The sz do sound uninspiring when under amped. Big boost and big juice...they pound with definition. 

 

Saying **** like I'd ignore you and calling Australia..:blink:

I was acting like a retard and now have a cellphone bill that will remind me of my tardness. No pics bro. I don't wanna see anything cuz it's ignorant of me to say **** like that. I would like that "rah" track boosted 20db at 50 hz though. if you listen again. The e12 is really a nice piece of well priced hardware. That low end slope is great for anything with lows EDM/Hip Hop/Jazz/R&B

 

That 2nd track will pound if boosted and you eq that hit...it will hit as hard as your ears like. That's a typical studio hit. The violins.........um......I got nothing..sorry. 

I did really like the TH-600 for the kinds of bassy music that I listen to too, and I've definitely been spoilt by the magical midrange of the HD650 too. If I had a choice I'd go for the TH-900 however as hopefully it'll fix a couple of the (relatively small) treble spikes I heard in the TH-600. The Q40/Akai/HDH50 really need to be marketed to the masses as they are indeed wonderful headphones and they'll probably be able to sell a lot of them to the general public.

 

The 627 MICRO is a seriously powerful portable amp, though it's definitely anything but basshead material so that's probably why I found them to be a rather uninspiring combo with the JVCs. They aren't the best with the Q40 either as I found my Glacier was a better pairing with harder-hitting and faster bass as well as more neutral sound signature but I needed money so I sold the Glacier and am left with the 627 MICRO. I will have to try them with a better amp for them - the FiiO E12 you use, was it? Maybe I should try the Glacier too as the 627 MICRO is a pretty warm amp and combined with the JVC may have produced some really bad side effects.

 

On to the E12. Man, it can produce some really gigantic thumping bass. An almost overwhelming amount when paired with EQ from the DX50. You have convinced me to change at least one habit which is to turn up the 30Hz EQ bar on the DX50 right up to 12 as I noticed that the Q40 improves as a result. I see what you mean when you say they lack sub-bass as the stuff I listen to (refer to above videos in my post) sounds much better now, so thanks for that. PM me that 'rah' track again please, I'm not exactly sure which track you're talking about as you posted so many :o 

 

Yea, I did try the maximum amount of bass EQ I had at my disposal using the E12 and DX50 EQ. Almost more bass than I could take in a single setting! As for the violins, to me they're alright on the Q40 but kind of under-represented on the JVCs because of that V-shaped sound signature. Just not the right timbre to make them sound natural. Not that the JVCs are bad as you clearly love them, but they're not the best for my kind of taste. Very good one-trick pony would be the best way to describe them.


Edited by BucketInABucket - 4/8/14 at 8:56am
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This thread is becoming worse and worse everyday.

@Hawaiibadboy
 we all appreciate the opinions and feedback you provide, but that doesn't mean you have the right to bash on other headphones. I don't have a problem with you disliking the Q40's, and im sure all of the guys in this thread don't, after all its your opinion. But you don't have to be rude about it. Try being more respectful next time. 

He gets very passionate when someone says another can hits harder when they dont. :/

I respect almost all of the posters in this thread.... Cant we all just decide who we want to believe instead of spending our time bashing whoever we think isnt telling the truth?
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This thread is becoming worse and worse everyday.

 

@Hawaiibadboy we all appreciate the opinions and feedback you provide, but that doesn't mean you have the right to bash on other headphones. I don't have a problem with you disliking the Q40's, and im sure all of the guys in this thread don't, after all its your opinion. But you don't have to be rude about it. Try being more respectful next time. 

 

Hey dude. Me and the guy who were talking worked it out. How about you use the ignore button and stop acting like this is your own sandbox. 

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