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post #121 of 330
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I guess that depends on your definition of respectable. To me they sound like the speakers that Logitech sells for $100.


Lol, they sound better than that to me but to each his own. Anyway, I definietly agree with you that there are better options to be had in that price category, the B and w805Ds and Magnepans come to mind.

 

post #122 of 330
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Around here, no. But ask your average consumer what are the best sounding speakers and Bose is the usual answer.


That is true, some of the true high-fi brands should start some educational campaign to get more people to appreciate true high-fidelity sound.

 

post #123 of 330
I'm not sure if that is allowed. They can definately turn the back of a semi into a perfect audio environment and demo some speakers inside and maybe some headphones and whatnot outside but I think they arent allowed to purchase bose speakers and a/b them to show people how crappy bose sounds compared to other equipment at the same price point.

I, for one, get a lot of requests from friends/family about how to set up a home theater system and who to buy from and I nearly always get the whole "we were thinking bose" schpiel. I always recommend a really nice pair of speakers over 5 craptastic speakers. Its weird, when someone wants bose they will gladly jump 2000 bucks out of their budget for them, but when I suggest a different brand, like B&W, its suddenly a terrible idea to go over budget.
post #124 of 330
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Originally Posted by shrimants View Post

I, for one, get a lot of requests from friends/family about how to set up a home theater system and who to buy from and I nearly always get the whole "we were thinking bose" schpiel. I always recommend a really nice pair of speakers over 5 craptastic speakers. Its weird, when someone wants bose they will gladly jump 2000 bucks out of their budget for them, but when I suggest a different brand, like B&W, its suddenly a terrible idea to go over budget.


I think trying to sell someone new to home theater a $2,000 system instead of going with Bose is the wrong approach. Talk to them about getting a set of something like the NHT SuperZeros instead, or the good old Energy Take Classic. Speakers with technology Bose has never heard of (tweeters) that sound way better for a few hundred bucks. Once they are in the door and can actually appreciate decent sound as opposed to $10 worth of plastic and $1990 worth of marketing, then they can think about moving up to something more substantial from either the big brands like Paradigm, or factory direct companies like Salk.

 


Edited by DaveBSC - 9/7/11 at 12:48pm
post #125 of 330
What I meant was that they'll tell me their budget is 2000 dollars but they will increase it for a bose system. I usually suggest something either within their price range or something lower than their price range. Most of the time they'll just disregard my comments as if I dont know what i'm talking about and go drop 8 grand on a bose system from Best Buy rather than take the time to pick a halfway decent reciever with a decent built in amp and try to mix/match speakers based on their purposes. An expensive home theater in a box with a "good brand name" on it from a well known store is apparently all people want.
post #126 of 330
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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

I think trying to sell someone new to home theater a $2,000 system instead of going with Bose is the wrong approach. Talk to them about getting a set of something like the NHT SuperZeros instead, or the good old Energy Take Classic. Speakers with technology Bose has never heard of (tweeters) that sound way better for a few hundred bucks.

People don't actually ask for advice. They've already made up their minds and just want someone else to confirm that their choice is a good one.

When I'm asked about the best TV to get, I almost always recommend a Plasma and then get told "no, LED is the best". Then they come over and see my living room's TV and go "Wow, that's an amazing picture! Is that the new Samsung LED?". When I tell them it's actually a mid-range plasma AND that I spent only half of what they did, I usually get these really blank stares, as if they know they got royally ripped off.

When I'm asked about a fast and reliable laptop because their old one was really slow and broke after only 2 years, I always recommend Thinkpads, Elitebooks, and Lattitudes. Then I'm told that it's pointless to spend that much money on a laptop, and they proceed to buy some cheap junk at Best Buy yet again.

If you want I've got tons of stories from when I worked as a PC technician. I swear, people always think they know more than you do, even when talking about your specialty.
Edited by Manyak - 9/7/11 at 1:31pm
post #127 of 330

People are, for the most part, idiots.

post #128 of 330
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People are idiots.


Fixed it for you tongue.gif

 

post #129 of 330

The most over rated stuff and a complete ripoff IMO is Clearaudio 10K cartridges,  3000 Graham tonearms and a bunch more in analog stuff. Serious 10K for a cartridge  and 3K for an aluminum tonearm is insanity at its best IMO. Ans also the re-badged T amps with tube buffers selling for 3K or more are also nuts. The hobby is out of control for the most part.

post #130 of 330
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People don't actually ask for advice. They've already made up their minds and just want someone else to confirm that their choice is a good one.

When I'm asked about the best TV to get, I almost always recommend a Plasma and then get told "no, LED is the best". Then they come over and see my living room's TV and go "Wow, that's an amazing picture! Is that the new Samsung LED?". When I tell them it's actually a mid-range plasma AND that I spent only half of what they did, I usually get these really blank stares, as if they know they got royally ripped off.

When I'm asked about a fast and reliable laptop because their old one was really slow and broke after only 2 years, I always recommend Thinkpads, Elitebooks, and Lattitudes. Then I'm told that it's pointless to spend that much money on a laptop, and they proceed to buy some cheap junk at Best Buy yet again.

If you want I've got tons of stories from when I worked as a PC technician. I swear, people always think they know more than you do, even when talking about your specialty.


I absolutely agree with this, a friend of mine had the choice between a panasonic vt30 flagship plasma and one of the current flagship leds from samsung, he bought the samsung and insists that the picture quality is better than my three year old pioneer kuro.

 

post #131 of 330
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I absolutely agree with this, a friend of mine had the choice between a panasonic vt30 flagship plasma and one of the current flagship leds from samsung, he bought the samsung and insists that the picture quality is better than my three year old pioneer kuro.

 


l too have a 50" Pioneer Kuro monitor which l got just before Pioneer stopped doing TV's, l got it because the picture quality was and still is outstanding, l believe the reason why Pioneer stopped making TV's was because there was so much technology involved in making one, that in order to sell them they would have to do so at a loss.
 

 

 


Edited by David1961 - 9/8/11 at 6:19am
post #132 of 330

It was more they met to fierce competition and couldn´t cope with it. But yes my brothers kyro is still very nice. Teminds me very much of the old superior trinitron based CRTs.

post #133 of 330
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It was more they met to fierce competition and couldn´t cope with it. But yes my brothers kyro is still very nice. Teminds me very much of the old superior trinitron based CRTs.



 

It was actually a combination of issues, but primarily it is the fact that Pioneer does not have the sales volume to justify the engineering and retooling costs involved with releasing new models every 6 - 12 months (Which is necessary to keep up with technology - and thereby the competition).


Edited by Yikes - 9/8/11 at 8:44am
post #134 of 330

At the same time l got the Pioneer Kuro which was about two years ago, l did look at a variety of different makes and the Pioneer had the best picture, ofcourse in time most things will improve especially TV's.

post #135 of 330
I got the Panasonic TCP50S1, which was their flagship at the time. I got it because from what I was reading, panasonic manufactures the panels used in the Kuro displays, but pioneer takes care of the rest, such as the backlighting and power management, and thats how they achieve that absurd contrast ratio.
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