acdoan said:

You owe no one any apology. Freedom of speech, my friend.
 
1. The term " audiophile" has been using loosely in this forum. There is a difference between an audiophile and a common civilian who loves music.
 
2. I love HPs and I collect these HPs as many as I can due to the portability and HPs do not require a lot of real estate. I can fit the most 1 pair of full range speakers and couple of monitor speakers in my 16x 20 listening room.
 
3. I do not have to worry about room acoustic treatment as with speakers.
 
4. I can listen to HPs as loud as my ears allowed without bothering anyone in my house.
 
5. The only thing I have to compromise is the sound stage of the HPs vs speakers but I can live with that. 
 
6. With a decent pair of speakers be it Electrostatic, Planar...I have to spend thousands of dollars for a decent amps such as Krell, Audio research, Cary audio...Also interconnection cables and speaker cables could run up a few thousand of dollars extra.
 
7. After 40 something years of listening to hi-end audio, my ears refused to listen to incoherent speakers such as Polk Audio, Klispch or junks that are on sales at Fry's or BB.
 
8. Is it a rip-off ? Yes, most of the HPs or speakers carry a 60 to 70 percent mark-up if that what's concern you. No, it is not a rip-off IMO since I value the performance/ price ratio that brings me happiness. 
 

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i agree with everything but the remark needing to spend thousands on amps and interconnects. you can find great stereo amps less then 500 or way less if you don't mind going into the used market and looking for a specific ''coloration''. it's one of the misconceptions of speaker listening. what affects the speaker experience the most is the individuals room.

No I am not wrong I have a pair that did break and for no reason at all. I have owned many pairs of Sennheisers and they are not made of carbon fiber. They are plastic made to look like carbon fiber. If you want to believe they are something they are not fine but you dont need to bring up my name and say i am wrong when you clearly do not know what you are talking about. It may even be good plastic but it is not carbon fiber. If your pair even breaks then you will know. Or you could just ask those at Sennheiser if there headphones are 100% real carbon fiber. And they would tell you no they are not. If you were familar with real carbon fiber you would know and see the diffrence.
 
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arksun said:

Sorry but you are wrong, I said it was made 'with' carbon fiber and it is, if you want a more correct term, thermoplastic carbon fiber body parts. All-plastic would be cheaper and tend to break yes. Also I've never ever heard of HD600 or HD650 frame breaking. In fact you wouldn't believe how much my 10 year old pairs headband part has stretched in width (cause of my large head), with zero blemishes or signs of cracking.  OTHER Sennheiser headphones that use just plastic have been known to crack yes. But you are incorrect regarding the material of the HD600/650
 


 

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Sounds like you're giving the wrong headphones a try, sounds like Ultrasone HFI-580 is more your kind of sound. Headphones can have very different kind of sound, HD650 are very laid-back as well as the 558 which you seem to find boring, so try some headphone with a forward/engaging and possibly aggressive sound and come back. I hate laid-back sounding headphones with a passion, exactly as you said you want to start sleep and it doesn't evoke any emotions or any urge to tap/dance or whatever to the music. A headphone with a forward/engaging sound is complete different matter though.

Dude seriously, read my previous posts and read up about carbon fiber and composites because you don't know what you're talking about. Carbon fibers strong points are: 1) Strength 2) Flexibility and 3) Use in composites.
 
Composites is when you combine different materials together, something the automotive and aerospace industries have been doing with plastics and carbon fiber for some time. It's not a case of it can ONLY be plastic or ONLY be carbon fiber.  Have you ever actually seen or touched the stuff?. Have you never run your fingers along the surface of a supercar made of carbon fiber and noticed how plasticy it seems to feel?. That's because it was most likey made of a composite. Made to look like carbon fiber?!?!, they made it to look like marble, thats the effect they were going for, a visual marble effect.  Dear oh dear *shakes head*
 
The HD600 uses thermoplastic carbon fiber, period, end of.
 
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cavedave said:

No I am not wrong I have a pair that did break and for no reason at all. I have owned many pairs of Sennheisers and they are not made of carbon fiber. They are plastic made to look like carbon fiber. If you want to believe they are something they are not fine but you dont need to bring up my name and say i am wrong when you clearly do not know what you are talking about. It may even be good plastic but it is not carbon fiber. If your pair even breaks then you will know. Or you could just ask those at Sennheiser if there headphones are 100% real carbon fiber. And they would tell you no they are not. If you were familar with real carbon fiber you would know and see the diffrence.
 


 

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I have another hobby. I like to ride road bikes. I have one that is made of titanium and retails for 7000$ many of the parts on it are real carbon fiber not plastic. I am very aware what carbon fiber is. I also have a headband from a sennheiser 600 broken and I have up closed examined it from the inside out it is not carbon fiber. I have cut carbon fiber with a hack saw and can tell you this head band is not even close to the same stuff. If you want to believe what every one is saying that is fine with me. Give me your address and i wll send you this broken headband and then you can see for your self this is not carbon fiber. Either take your own apart and look on the inside and you will see the truth for your self.
Until you look for your self and see why tell me I am wrong. Like I said I use to work in a plastic factory that made car parts and worked on injection molding machines. There is a diffrence between molded plastic and carbon fiber made parts. There is also a big diffrence between parts that look like carbon fiber and those that truly are. There are also lots of phoney bike parts made to look like carbon and not the real thing just like the headbands on the sennheiser headphones.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Notise the black plastic that has been melted with a dreml tool. These are black plastic with a paint job.

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Well, that certainly doesn't look like CFRP to me - even though the pictures are blurry, you wouldn't expect a brittle failure like that in a carbon composite structure. The fibres should stop any crack propagation through the material. When CFRP fails, you normally get a delaminarisation of the layers, or if the fibres fail, you tend to get a surface of broken bristles. That looks like plastic to me. Where did the claims of it being carbon composite come from in the first place? The Sennheiser website doesn't mention the material, except the finish.

Which is just what I have been trying to tell those here who have for what ever reason thought these were real carbon fiber. There are some adds that say this but I really doubt Sennheiser would risk a law suit by claiming there product was something it was not. Any body who grew up making modesl and lighting them on fire would be well aware of what these are. There is no carbon fiber structure to these at all. Simple black plastic painted with a carbon fiber look a like paint job.

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... Any body who grew up making modesl and lighting them on fire would be well aware of what these are...

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Heh. 
 
 
 

woah..that's some crazy headband breaking there. Hopefully my HD600 never turn out like that but I do keep them in that box it came with when it's not being used.

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There is also a big diffrence between parts that look like carbon fiber and those that truly are. There are also lots of phoney bike parts made to look like carbon and not the real thing just like the headbands on the sennheiser headphones.

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And yet, the paint job on the HD600 is clearly a marble effect and not trying to look like Carbon Fiber. You know for someone that supposedly actually works with the material you'd think you'd recognise what the stuff looks like. Kinda hard to take you seriously with such comments.
 
Oh and congrats on snapping the HD600, christ knows what you did to it, but that definitely was NOT through normal use. My 10 year old pair has stretched considerably with 0 signs of cracking.
 
A composite can be any percentage of one material to another, there is no set amount, just as something doesn't have to be 100% carbon or 100% plastic. Again as someone that supposedly works with the stuff you should know that....
 

You are right about one thing Christ does know that I did nothing at all to them they just broke. Which is why I would warn others the same thing could happen to you as they are only plastic.
This is not that uncommon there are more then a few even on this site if you go back and look. And most were not doing nothing weird with them they just broke. I take very good care of all my headphones and this is the only pair that has broke like this. And to tell you the truth it suprised me as much as you seem to think it can not happen. I am not against Sennheise Headphones and in fact listened to them for years and stll have a set of HD600 the ones the band broke on I put a band from a old pair of HD580 on the 600 earpices. I have a set of LCD-2 now and never listen to the HD600 any more and most likley never will. The only point I was trying to make was the truth that HD600 headphones are not carbon fiber they are simply plastic. Not a big deal just the truth. I guess I could have just continued to let you believe a lie in the end it would have been much easier. Even now you accuse me of all sorts of stuff that is just not true. Like breaking my headphones and such. I have accuse you of nothing and said nothing about you in a personel way. I just thought just maybe you were someone who really was interested in the truth even at the expense of you being wrong. My intent was not to hurt you or make you look bad it was just to set things straight for some who it just might make a diffrence to. If this is not you oh well.

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rawrster said:

woah..that's some crazy headband breaking there. Hopefully my HD600 never turn out like that but I do keep them in that box it came with when it's not being used.

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They will if you don't put them on right so be careful.
 
 
 
I seriously don't get why people don't understand headphones and speakers serve different purposes and offer different costs and benefits.  This is really just another 'one of those' threads.
 
FYI, in the real world, usually costs go up as it takes greater engineering skill to maintain or improve performance in devices as you shrink them down in size.
 

lol..did'nt know there was a wrong way to put them on