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astroturf said:

With your having said all of that...
How do the deaf do it?
Thanks, Jim

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Google glasses
 
Just finished seeing the Tour de France, also seen the Vuelta de España and the Giro de Italia.
 
I am batting a big donut (nada, zilp) of any of those pro guys which average around 40 kp/h being deaf. So my statement stands, the faster the speeds, really the less need for sensory deprevation. The deaf guy, I am sure they are out there that can sustain 28km/h. 6 billion people.. yeah high probability. There are also people that don't have hands that play guitar really well with there feet. Of course not a Concerto de Aranjuez piece or Villa-Lobos etudes but at least it sounds ok.
 
And the pro guys do roughy 100+ miles in ONE day. And they have only one ear with an ear piece and that is not for music, that is for instructions from the coordinators on what to do
 
take it from someone that does 80 miles in one sitting with no earphones on. If you are getting bored that means your are not paying attention to your surroundings and not focused at the task at hand. Hell especially in the UK, France or Swedish country side, so much scenery to enjoy. Really there is zero reason to be bored with everything that goes on in a "quiet" country side. If anyone is getting bored, up the effort (higher speeds). Keeps the mind from drifting.

I've never been comfortable with headphones and biking.  Maybe I have the wrong iems or they just don't work for me but I always have way too much wind noise, then have to increase the volume and sometimes it just gets in the way.  Plus, I do most of my riding on the streets so it makes me that much more nervous about having headphones in.
 
Though I use cx190's which sound great, have a great sound stage and are bullet proof. I was going through a set of iem's a month since they're all built for crap but i've been working out, running etc etc on my CX's for a couple of years now.
 

Oh Hey... Just thought about this:

!Awarness It is an app that lets you mix the outside world in with your music.

Very Nice, Works with iPhone as well as Android.

Worth a look see.

Jim

First off hi, I don't post a lot but I have been reading this forum for a long time now.
 
I really do not understand were all the fuzz is about. Why would it be dangerous to use strongly isolating IEMS during cycling? The trick is not to base any of your traffic related decisions on your hearing and instead use your sight. I mean people that are a 100% deaf are road legal as well.
 
Btw I speak from experience, I have done 8 years of commuting between 200 and 300 km per week all seasons at average speeds exceeding 30 km/h. I did all this with shure 310 IEMS fitted with triple flanges and later one shure 425s with comply.  
 
 
Greetz Bart

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First off hi, I don't post a lot but I have been reading this forum for a long time now.
 
I really do not understand were all the fuzz is about. Why would it be dangerous to use strongly isolating IEMS during cycling? The trick is not to base any of your traffic related decisions on your hearing and instead use your sight. I mean people that are a 100% deaf are road legal as well.
 
Btw I speak from experience, I have done 8 years of commuting between 200 and 300 km per week all seasons at average speeds exceeding 30 km/h. I did all this with shure 310 IEMS fitted with triple flanges and later one shure 425s with comply.  
 
 
Greetz Bart

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Well, situation awareness is not only front, it is all around to include rear where you have no sight. The real basic of it. You are not "looking" at the people that know what they are doing, you are avoiding the idiots out there that are on there cell phone texting away. This is my opinion but 3000lbs of metal vs 200 lbs of flesh is one bet I don't want to ever take.  I spook people like you all the time when I come up on you and yell "on your left" (i am from the US so we ride on the right hand side and pass on the left), but you don't hear me, then I sprint by. Can always tell it startles them as they were keeping a fairly straight line right until I zip past them then they swerve because they were not expecting to get passed. And that is little ole me on a bicycle. I seen people run off because some yahoo in a big car or truck passes by closer than expected or my favorite. The car is about to pass and just as they are right about to pass.. they honk there horns. With IEMs not a problem for the most part, right until that person installed a set of train horns in there ride. Then it is fun! (see YouTube for train horns in cars, lots of video from UK and Norway)
 
again to each there own but I guess that is also why I always were a helmet instead of a racers "hat"

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J

@Figgie, I do like the train horn idea. And yes that would startle me . But afther 60.000+ km I can safely say that I am quite used to cars trucks and motor cycles passing me by. Like I said it is just wat you are used to, deaf people do not hear any thing, in your car or on your motor bike you do not hear the rest of the traffic either. And even if you could hear most car/ bike accidents not in your line of sight happen if a car passes you by and you can not avoid or see that comming either way. Just my 2 cents and like I said based on actual experience.

yea, I don't know about you but I live in a city with people driving fast and no one's looking for cyclist.  The thing I honestly and completly don't get is all the a-hats (and I see this every single time I ride) who think it's funny to mess with cyclists.  Not being able to hear traffic would scare me.  I'm not sure how many deaf cyclists there are.
 
Though, am I the only person who gets nothing but wind noise when I put headphones in and then cycle around 20mph?
 

i'm looking for a new set of IE's for cycling too. I have a pair of monster jamz but the cable is on the way out. they were pretty good with comply tips. i also use yurbuds but the wind noise is unacceptable.
 
looking for the following:
cancels wind noise
little cable noise
rugged
a lot of bass
stays in
 
i only use them when i ride on bike only paths or the woods, so no need to bother with the safety discussion
 
thanks,
DT

I am currently wearing a pair of Etymotic MC5 IEMs.

I have the cord over the ear... No microphonics

And they fit under my bicycle helmet with no problems.

8mm dynamic driver, 2 year warranty, and only fifty bucks.

I use the Comply Foam P Series standard size tips.

Good Stuff, Jim

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@Figgie, I do like the train horn idea. And yes that would startle me . But afther 60.000+ km I can safely say that I am quite used to cars trucks and motor cycles passing me by. Like I said it is just wat you are used to, deaf people do not hear any thing, in your car or on your motor bike you do not hear the rest of the traffic either. And even if you could hear most car/ bike accidents not in your line of sight happen if a car passes you by and you can not avoid or see that comming either way. Just my 2 cents and like I said based on actual experience.

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- Deaf people have other senses heightened.  They are not distracted by music. 
- Guy listening to music with IEMs have their senses lessened and reaction time reduced. 
 
Deaf people 2, IEM guy 0. So I don't see how that's the same thing. Blindfolding yourself does not make you Daredevil. 
 
You haven't had an accident in 8 years, fantastic.  But that does not reduce the overall statistical likelihood of an accident happening caused by reduced awareness of surroundings. 
 
Bottom line, even if I personally enjoy IEM when cycling and feel comfortable doing so, I would not go around encouraging other people to do the same because I don't want to have it on my conscious if something happens to that person because of my advice. You have no idea what kind of traffic he is dealing with. It could be the drivers on your commute are all extra cautious, but not so on his commute. So risk your own life but not others - your "actual experience" mean nothing unless he is riding the exact same route as yours. 

Sennheiser CX300's for when the weather is wet and crappy.  As old and low end as they might be they seem to keep plugging on when no matter what gets thrown at them.
Sennheiser IE6's for better weather when damage is less likely.  I use the Senn's because I didn't really like them and thought them only good for cycling which is at the best of times very non immersive listening but am finding a new respect for the IE6's.  Though I was happy to use foam tips to isolate from wind roar inside a helmet on a motorbike on a pedal cycle i'd be unhappy to be so deprived of ambient noise so stick with the silicone tips.
 
Source is a recent acquisition of a Roberts Sports DAB2 radio or an iPod Shuffle.

In the woods I would want to hear animal noises. i would not want to go through the woods wearing isolating earphones.

I've been using the Koss KSC75 phones for years while cycling for nearly 8 years.
 
They have zero noise isolaton and they fit very well together with trail helmets, having a deep and massive hindhead protection (like Giro HEX), which are completely incompatible with rear-arch sporting headphones like Koss Sporta Pro.
The cables are slippery and quite damage resistant and the headphones are quite cheap, so I just keep a couple of spare pairs in case they break (in 8 years, one pair had water damage in heavy rain and two pairs had a broken off and lost ear clips, no damaged cables so far).
The only comfort downside is that these headphones are pretty hot during intensive riding.
 
For the last 4 years, I've been using 75's with a light version of Kramer Mod (I tend to remove the central part of the diffusor, which gives slightly less recessed mids and high-mids).
Sound wise, they are quite OK. Too much bass is well controlled using EQ, mids are rather clean with the mod. Highs are ok, but could be much better. The only serious downside is that they sound "lazy", the high-paced distorted guitar sounds really muddy and bass guitar is completely mixed up with drums.
 
I'm currently using them with Galaxy S7 edge, which strangely has a very low output power (compared to iPhones and GS4/Note3) and very crisp highs (often sibilating with more or less "bright" headphones). This phone barely drives them loud enough, but the crisp highs of the source combined with recessed highs of the phones makes them sound clean enough, but without sibilants.
 
 
 
By the way, are there any in-ear canal phones (I'm incompatible with earbuds, even the good ones ) in 100-200$ range with no isolation or very low isolation and a good "attack", which can handle more or less aggressive music genres (Death Metal, Glam Metal) well?

AKG Y15 or Y16