Schiit Lyr - The tube rolling thread
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Mar 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM Post #5,866 of 8,735
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Hey guys...what do you think of tube dampeners? Do they make any difference? Or just for looks?


Both? If you have socket savers, hold your fingers over the tubes.  Shortly... it begins to hurt. Now through the pain.. .did you notice any improvement? If not, you don't need 'em. :)
 
It's debatable. Not all tubes benefit, it depends entirely on the batch and microphonics... yadda..
 
In the end.... I got mine just in case. My wallet is ~ $60 lighter.... but hey. I got 'em. LOL
 
Mar 13, 2013 at 9:30 PM Post #5,869 of 8,735
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I've never heard of them being detrimental, how does that work?

They are sometimes used to give a more focused sound. Which in turn
takes away some of that tube warmth.
 
It's all really subjective in the end.
 
But, say, you've got a noisy tube, so you decide to use tube dampers and
they work on quieting 'em down, but they also take a bit away of that warmth.
 
I'd then say that's a detriment to the SQ, for example.
 
Mar 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM Post #5,870 of 8,735
So far I haven't really compared the sound with vs the sound without the dampeners.  Maybe I should.
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 1:17 PM Post #5,871 of 8,735
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So far I haven't really compared the sound with vs the sound without the dampeners.  Maybe I should.

 
Well yes. No point in having something you can't hear. Right?
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Mar 14, 2013 at 4:45 PM Post #5,873 of 8,735
Okay guys, I need a little tube ID help. I got some Orange Globes from another headfier. One of the sets is a very nice 1968-69 A getter from mercedesman. When they were shipped to me they were taped and the tape a lot of the letter off. See if you can help me make a positive ID:
 
 

 

 
Says made in Holland for sure. Numbers I can make out are 6dj...ecc88
 
Thanks in advance for the help!!
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM Post #5,874 of 8,735

A tube rolling story. (Part 1?)

 
SIEMENS E88CC (A6)
The attack speed of the SIEMENS cannot be beat. They are sharper and faster than anything else I have. As closer in my mind to SS than any of the others. However they can't seem to keep complex harmonics together. It turns the highs into harsh and the mid/lows into mud. But the space is great and synergistic with the HD800s in this respect. However, I think these grade of Siemens are just a one trick pony. That and I can't listen to them in the fun zone without encountering pain. So their a no go, but I'll put another 100 hrs on them to see if they smooth out before I give them the punt. I think maybe the only reason I'm holding onto them is because I paid $100 for them. They're only priced that way due the big brother version: The Holy Grey Shields. But these did do what I wanted of them. While these are perhaps 'terrible', they did introduce me to the 'Siemens sound' I could expect if I forked out a few hundred more. It might just be glorious... but $300-$400 is an expensive experiment. Does the Lyr benefit that much? Maybe someone else can comment.
 
Cryro 6N23P-EV
Dynamic, well rounded response, but seemingly flat. While technical they don't seem to engage. I think combined with the flat response of the HD800, they fall short of what tubes are supposed to do. There's no romance.  Maybe with another headphone they would shine. LCDs? I'd like to see their response graphed out on a waterfall chart. One could learn a lot about their own likes with that tool and this tube by contrasting what isn't there.
 

AMPEREX ORANGE GLOBAL (1967)
With break-in hitting 100hrs these really started to shine. Their punch now somewhat subdued compared to how it started out. The space and detail coming together nicely. Holographic? Almost.  A really enjoyable tube. I think they might overdo the PRAT a bit however. They seem to take it and run a little. With that action, the listener is distracted and I think maybe information gets lost somewhere in the mix. That isn't to say these aren't fun.  I think for the price you can find them, everyone should have a pair or three in their arsenal. These engage the listener more than any other tube I have. They grab you by the mid bass, punch you around a bit and then suck you in. I go willingly.


SEL LORENZ PCC88 (?)
These seem have everything you want and they keep it balanced. They allow your phones to sound like you would expect them to. The tubes don't stand out and simply leave the music to it. These are the best tube you won't hear.  Gracious and musical. Now I don't have a large collection, but these are easily the best tube I've matched up with the Lyr. I say this without reserve even when they're not even fully broken in; just 40hrs!  I'm really glad I grabbed an extra set. I feel as though I should be buying and to give them out to friends and family. Except… they wouldn't have a clue what to do with them. :wink:


So my preferences as they stand:

1. SEL LORENZ PCC88
2. AMPEREX ORAGE GLOBAL ('67)
3. Cryo 6N23P-EV  OR  Schiit GE JAN 6BQ7A
5. Siemens E88CC (A6)
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM Post #5,875 of 8,735
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Okay guys, I need a little tube ID help. I got some Orange Globes from another headfier. One of the sets is a very nice 1968-69 A getter from mercedesman. When they were shipped to me they were taped and the tape a lot of the letter off. See if you can help me make a positive ID:
 
 

 

 
Says made in Holland for sure. Numbers I can make out are 6dj...ecc88
 
Thanks in advance for the help!!

 
It looks like an A-Frame Dimple Getter 6DJ8.   I have a set of these, they are very nice.
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM Post #5,877 of 8,735
Can 6CG7/6FQ7 be rolled into the Lyr?
 
Only thing i know is that they draw more filament current than a 6DJ8 but they seem pretty abundant on ebay, far cheaper that ECC88 and other tubes people have been talking about on here.
 
*EDIT* got the answer from Schiit
 
 
 
I have one of your Lyr amps and was wondering if i can roll in some 6FQ7/6CG7 tubes? They draw more filament current than a 6DJ8 and that's about all i know. They are cheaper and a lot more abundant on ebay though.
 
Many thanks.

 
 
 
You can, but they're not operating at an optimal point in Lyr. They won't hurt anything, but they aren't the best tubes in our opinion.
 
Jason Stoddard 
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So not that good, but at the price point they're being sold for, it's gotta be worth trying some, right?
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 5:50 PM Post #5,878 of 8,735
I used several kinds 6cg7 and they were pretty meh. Except for the GE clear tops and GE black plate, they were personally one of my favorite in the lyr but they are a mixed bag here on the rolling thread, you either love them or hate them, it seems. Do a search in the thread there is a good bit of info on them
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 5:58 PM Post #5,879 of 8,735
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I used several kinds 6cg7 and they were pretty meh. Except for the GE clear tops and GE black plate, they were personally one of my favorite in the lyr but they are a mixed bag here on the rolling thread, you either love them or hate them, it seems. Do a search in the thread there is a good bit of info on them

 
Will have a search for sure.
 
I've seen some Raytheons on ebay and remember their 6AK5 tubes sounded good in my Hifiman EF2A, so their 6CG7's worth a bash i think.
 
Mar 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM Post #5,880 of 8,735
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Okay guys, I need a little tube ID help. I got some Orange Globes from another headfier. One of the sets is a very nice 1968-69 A getter from mercedesman. When they were shipped to me they were taped and the tape a lot of the letter off. See if you can help me make a positive ID:
 
 

 

 
Says made in Holland for sure. Numbers I can make out are 6dj...ecc88
 
Thanks in advance for the help!!


They look good, Matt! They should also sound especially nice with the HD650
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Look near the bottom for a date code that begins with a delta. It looks like a right-sided triangle. The next number after the delta should be the year it was made.
 
IMO, the A-frame construction usually results in a quieter tube. Also, I have NEVER seen a counterfeit Amperex A-frame.
 
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