Monster Turbine vs Westone 2? Please Help!!!!!
Mar 10, 2011 at 10:00 PM Post #16 of 38
i have westone 2, westone um2, and ue triple fi, and i have listened to the monster turbine gold at a recent meeting which was why i recommended them due to their fun sound sig and excellent bass. But you say you have a problem with the turbine's cord, what issues exactly ? you can try to wear them over the ear plus add a shirt clip; should take care of dangling cord and microphonics.
um2 have more bass than westone 2, and are more upfront in mids but im not sure if they fit ur needs. They still don't have as much bass as the turbine or triple fi and their treble is not exactly the best; their highs are hidden in the background/subdued. ue triple fi had the most bass out of both westone 2 and um2 and the best treble as well but they pop out of my ears if i move my head around a lot, trust me, i can get a good seal, but for workout purposes, i cant imagine them staying in too long for anybody.
The westone's, if you are going to get them brand new, are too expensive for just workout phone plus they don't completely fit all your needs, isolation and comfort factor yes, but sound ........... maybe not the best for bass techno, trance, etc.
could u wait for more reviews on the shure se215 ? also heard meelec m6 are good workout phones that are very cheap, fischer audio eterna, nuforce ne700, sound magic pl 30. All dynamic and share that fun sound signature like your turbine, and all these models are easy to go around the ear like iem's. You can even add comply or similar foamie tips for even more isolation (which is what you want).   
 
Mar 10, 2011 at 10:33 PM Post #17 of 38
I put about 1-3 miles a day running in my turbines and I dont have any issues. Infact, I plan to get the MTPG because I listen to the same genre as you. I have 0 issues running with turbines, It seems like your biased against them????
 
Mar 10, 2011 at 11:27 PM Post #18 of 38


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i have westone 2, westone um2, and ue triple fi, and i have listened to the monster turbine gold at a recent meeting which was why i recommended them due to their fun sound sig and excellent bass. But you say you have a problem with the turbine's cord, what issues exactly ? you can try to wear them over the ear plus add a shirt clip; should take care of dangling cord and microphonics.
um2 have more bass than westone 2, and are more upfront in mids but im not sure if they fit ur needs. They still don't have as much bass as the turbine or triple fi and their treble is not exactly the best; their highs are hidden in the background/subdued. ue triple fi had the most bass out of both westone 2 and um2 and the best treble as well but they pop out of my ears if i move my head around a lot, trust me, i can get a good seal, but for workout purposes, i cant imagine them staying in too long for anybody.
The westone's, if you are going to get them brand new, are too expensive for just workout phone plus they don't completely fit all your needs, isolation and comfort factor yes, but sound ........... maybe not the best for bass techno, trance, etc.
could u wait for more reviews on the shure se215 ? also heard meelec m6 are good workout phones that are very cheap, fischer audio eterna, nuforce ne700, sound magic pl 30. All dynamic and share that fun sound signature like your turbine, and all these models are easy to go around the ear like iem's. You can even add comply or similar foamie tips for even more isolation (which is what you want).   


Do The Triple fi 10 have a bigger quantity of bass than the Turbines? If so is the bass more clear on the Tf10? Perhaps i'll buy the Tf10 for in-home listening and buy some soundmagic pl-30 for working out.
 
 
Mar 10, 2011 at 11:29 PM Post #19 of 38


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I put about 1-3 miles a day running in my turbines and I dont have any issues. Infact, I plan to get the MTPG because I listen to the same genre as you. I have 0 issues running with turbines, It seems like your biased against them????



I am not biased at all, I am unhappy with my current Turbines, so that does not motivate me to buy a better model from a company I am not satisfied with.
 
Mar 10, 2011 at 11:31 PM Post #20 of 38
TF10 would sound clearer on the bass than the turbines, it's a cleaner bass overall. Be wary of possible fit issues though. 
 
Mar 10, 2011 at 11:51 PM Post #21 of 38
quantity wise, from memory, is similar, i think tf10 was just a little less in bass quantity, but it was tighter/clearer and faster hitting for sure, if u have large ear canals u have better chance tf10 fit u well, as tf10 is very picky on fit, but remember u can try flip mod or upgrade to better flexible cable, or even custom reshell (the options are endless), i love tf10 sound, i rate them higher than westone 2 and um2, of course, it helps when u score a deal, i was lucky enough to get these off someone who had bought them from the amazon deal who didnt jack up the resell price
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 12:20 AM Post #22 of 38
quantity wise, from memory, is similar, i think tf10 was just a little less in bass quantity, but it was tighter/clearer and faster hitting for sure, if u have large ear canals u have better chance tf10 fit u well, as tf10 is very picky on fit, but remember u can try flip mod or upgrade to better flexible cable, or even custom reshell (the options are endless), i love tf10 sound, i rate them higher than westone 2 and um2, of course, it helps when u score a deal, i was lucky enough to get these off someone who had bought them from the amazon deal who didnt jack up the resell price



I use small silicon tips on my turbines so I assume I have small ear canals. Maybe the tf10 won't fit my ears. My concern is this and that I live in Canada and would be buying them
Off amazon.com so it would be a headache for me if I bought them and didn't like them and I would have to return them. I'm having a second thought.....
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 1:36 AM Post #23 of 38
If you can cough up the dough: Westone 3. No microphonics at all for me when worn properly over the ear. Only issue for you would be price... If you can grab a used pair on here for a bit less they are well worth it.
 
If you're considering the TF10 (pricey as well), I would go with the Westones OR Sennheiser IE8s. I have had the IE8s for a couple of years now and the bass is BOOMING for trance music. I have also run them through the washing machine a couple of times before (accidentally!!) and they have come out sounding absolutely fine! So if you worry about sweating on them during your workout it shouldn't matter. Either way you will get a great pair of IEMs for home listening and ideal for working out too. As long as the IE8s fit well (you have small ear canals so you should be fine), they shouldn't fall out during a work out either.
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM Post #24 of 38
Here's the thing with the UM2s: They are quite adequate with the bass, not brain-shaking, but controlled and natural.  My favorite thing about their bass repsonse is how well it seems to fit in the pocket of the music (read: everything blends incredibly fluidly).  In my truck i have two Rockford-Fosgate 10'' subs that for the longest time i've had turned up really loud because i wanted a massive punch when the kick drum hit.  After having these UM2s i have learned to enjoy the overall composition of songs and ended up turning down the level of my subwoofers while still keeping their signal only a tad bumped up.  I found that once i did this i heard much more detail in the bass response, while still being rocked hard if the song calls for it.  I enjoy the visceral sound of hearing the wood with which the instruments are made of, and that wasn't possible when i had the woofer level too high.
 
The same analogy is true for my UM2s.  When the mastery is mixed for body rocking kick the UM2s perfom admirably, when the mix calls for well blended instrumentation overall they perform even better.  I think you will find that if your songs are ripped in a high quality bit rate, and the producer of the song you are listening to actually cares about how his creation sounds (and seems to have actually spent hours perfecting the mix) you could be very happy with the UM2s.  I am starting to find that some of the bands i really used to enjoy before i got into high quality revealing IEMs no longer impress me because they adhere to the theory of loudness rather than balance.  The theory of loudness, of course, being that certain producers think just turning up everything in the mix makes a good record. 
 
Hope that helps. 
 
Also, just because your music preference is mostly electronic that doesn't mean you will not have the detail that comes from a physical instrument.  I don't listen to a ton of trance/techno, but some of my favorite artists make use of electronic music instruments and when i listen to those tracks with my UM2s i hear much more detail that i thought was originally present when i didn't have my UM2s.
 
EDIT: I just cut down my triple flange tips to double flanges, as well as cutting the base down to flush with the first flange.  DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT!!!  These rival my ES2s now.
 
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 10:31 AM Post #26 of 38
Since you like bass, you should consider the Future Sonics Atrio M5. It's in your price range and has better sub bass than most other IEMs. Very easy to wear and I don't have any microphonics issues. However I did not like any of the supplied tips and use Shure olives with them. The M5 needs about 70+ hours of burn in.
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 6:21 PM Post #28 of 38


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quantity wise, from memory, is similar, i think tf10 was just a little less in bass quantity, but it was tighter/clearer and faster hitting for sure, if u have large ear canals u have better chance tf10 fit u well, as tf10 is very picky on fit, but remember u can try flip mod or upgrade to better flexible cable, or even custom reshell (the options are endless), i love tf10 sound, i rate them higher than westone 2 and um2, of course, it helps when u score a deal, i was lucky enough to get these off someone who had bought them from the amazon deal who didnt jack up the resell price

Have you heard of the Sonics Atrio?
 
 
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 8:25 PM Post #29 of 38
yes, i used to have the atrio m5 (2nd version, not the 3rd and latest version), i also had at one time denon c551 and meelec 11+. Quality wise, atrio m5's bass wins hands down against them all, and although still not as fast as tf10, atrio bass is deeper, goes lower, and has that subwoofer feeling that tf10 doesn't have. However, quantity wise, is less than meelec 11+ and denon c551 from my memory. That's not to say they have little quantity, cause they don't, they are a bassy iem, its just that they have a balanced bass, no mid bass hump like the meelec or denon, and they have the best sub bass; their bass is textured, goes deep, and impactful. 
i only parted with them because i couldn't get the fit i wanted to, had a hard time wearing them over my ears with glasses, and also because the 2nd version to me, were rather hard to drive with sansa fuze mp3 player ( i had to crank up the volume ) and had a dark sound with treble that was a tad harsh for me. Yes, their bass is amazing but other factors led me to believe they weren't for me. I hope this helps you to narrow down your choice.
 
Mar 11, 2011 at 8:43 PM Post #30 of 38


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yes, i used to have the atrio m5 (2nd version, not the 3rd and latest version), i also had at one time denon c551 and meelec 11+. Quality wise, atrio m5's bass wins hands down against them all, and although still not as fast as tf10, atrio bass is deeper, goes lower, and has that subwoofer feeling that tf10 doesn't have. However, quantity wise, is less than meelec 11+ and denon c551 from my memory. That's not to say they have little quantity, cause they don't, they are a bassy iem, its just that they have a balanced bass, no mid bass hump like the meelec or denon, and they have the best sub bass; their bass is textured, goes deep, and impactful. 
i only parted with them because i couldn't get the fit i wanted to, had a hard time wearing them over my ears with glasses, and also because the 2nd version to me, were rather hard to drive with sansa fuze mp3 player ( i had to crank up the volume ) and had a dark sound with treble that was a tad harsh for me. Yes, their bass is amazing but other factors led me to believe they weren't for me. I hope this helps you to narrow down your choice.

 
Agreed with much of this.  I have the new M5 and the bass is subwoofer like and is balanced bass without a mid bass hump.  The new one is easy to drive from my Apple products and is a very good low volume IEM.  I haven't heard the older versions but the new driver is fairly balanced sounding and isn't dark to me.  I believe this was the design intention with the new driver.
 
It all depends on what kind of bass you want.  Something with a mid bass hump will have the feeling of more bass quantity but that mid bass will not be the quality of the M5 sub bass.  The M5 is a dynamic driver.  Dynamic drivers need a lot of burn in but provide you with better timbre and realism in the low notes.  Balanced armature drivers need no burn in, tend to be leaner in bass but are very fast and punchy.  Better speed can give you more clarity and instrument separation.

Choices, choices.  If you are anything like the rest of us, one set of IEM's won't be enough.

 
 
 

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