What happened to Grado's reputation?
May 9, 2011 at 8:12 PM Post #481 of 565
Sounds like folk in other countries are being shafted by Grado distributors the way we get shafted by the Senn distributor here. Unlike Stunnheiser, Grado fans here do have a choice - buy the MS-1/MS-2/Ms-PRO and save a bundle.
 
May 9, 2011 at 10:53 PM Post #482 of 565
Interesting how conversations evolve. First, let me say that there are only two kinds of music, good and bad, and that is so subjective as to make any debate pointless. My wife is a talented violinist, her father is an old school jazz/classical piano player who taught music, her brother plays the flute etc..etc. I myself have played the drums for years, listened to every genre of music I could with an open mind. I think that there is some brilliant rap music being produced, the word smithing can be wonderful poetry. The musical media used to construct the compositions can be as subtle and detailed as any other genre. Jazz was once derided as an artform. Many of the finest classical compositions and composers were also accused of being pale imitations of previous works or of questionable artistic merit. Rap is no different. I myself do not like very much of it at all, however, I have heard some pieces that are absolutely in my mind full value musical works, worthy of being appreciated and acknolwedged.
 
I think many people equate all rap as being about "mo money, girls , how big your tool is and why they be lustin for it". Undoubtably much of it is, but do not throw the baby out with the bathwater, in that murky stream of mediocrity will be some wonderful art if you have an open mind. For those of you who say it is so easy and trivial, I say show us your foray into the field then. If creating anything is as easy as assembling all the parts into the whole then why do very few people on earth ever manage to create art that resonates widely? Why do we value art so highly? Because it is difficult to produce good art, damn difficult. I hate the boom boom cars that go by blasting their music that I don't get, but I won't assume it is all crap simply because the very narrow cross-section I have encountered doesn't do it for me. Once in a while I hear some rap that stops me cold, gives me those quality shivers and I know I have encountered art that is meaningful to me.
 
I think we should give these rap fans the benefit of the doubt. For us older folks (I'm in my mid 40s) it wasn't long ago that almost every adult we knew told us how our music of choice wasn't music at all. What that meant for me was that they couldn't hear the music because they refused to listen and hence couldn't hear. Some rap is amazing, some is not. Some jazz is amazing, some is not etc....etc. I think those who don't like rap shouldn't call it all garbage and without musical merit. They should just say that it doesn't stimulate them and as such they can't really be moved by it. Equating quality with a pre-determined checklist of what constitutes proper music is very artificial. All art changes, all art evolves. You don't have to like it all, but don't tell people their art is without merit because it has been decided based on "accepted standards of art" that their creations are unworthy. Most unfair. 
 
It is a shame that Grado seems to be floundering in some areas, but I like what I have heard very much and I am buying my RS1i because I know what I like. I will also purchase other brands as I am able. I don't believe any one brand or model can ever be the best. It is a moving target that can never be hit on the bullseye and that is why audio is so much fun!
 
May 9, 2011 at 11:08 PM Post #483 of 565
Rather OT but I agree.  I played violin for 4 years as a young one and dabbled in piano for two.  There is absolutely great rap out there and in some instances the messages are no less substantive than say Bob Dylan was in the 60's.  I do find quality to be thinning out gradually as a genre since the 90's but I find that true overall for all genres in music in general.  I think it's more of a social and economic shift myself.  Just a lack of quality art and music education in the public system as they were the first programs to get the budget axe.  That and large mega corps looking to turn quick money.
 
Btw, I've had the 80, 225, RS1i and after a few meets I've come to realize I am a Joe Grado fan.
 
May 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM Post #484 of 565
It's been less than 2 years since I bought my first pair of "good" headphones (the SR80i) and I've had my RS1i's for about 6 months.
 
Before I made that first Grado purchase, I found head-fi and poked around some other sources trying to learn more about headphones for several months.
 
FWIW, what I found was that Grado has a very good reputation (and for me, great sounding products).
 
Because I'm so new to this, I can't offer much along the lines of detailed comparisons with other 'phones, relative value at various price points, etc. And I understand that this thread is probably geared more toward a perceived degradation of some sort of Grado's reputation among audiophiles with much more experience than me...
 
But I can say that for someone completely new to the market, Grado got my business in their entry level series in large part due to the positive reputation I gleaned from this site and many others online and in my local hi-fi shop. The fact that I really liked the SR80i, combined with what still seems to me to be the very good reputation of the RS1s, led me to their mid/higher end products.
 
I couldn't be happier with my purchases, but I guess the point is that my experience went like this: I did some research, found Grado's reputation to be very good, and found that reputation to be deserved based on my experience with the products they sell.
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May 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM Post #485 of 565


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Grados cost just about exactly 3x as much in Norway as they do in the US. I just got a colleague to bring me a set of SR225is from New York - as I am not particularly willing to pay $630 for them.  



Same here in the u.k.. it has nothing to do with the exchange rate either! £750 uk or £490 u.s for my RS1's. I chose the latter and I'm pleased that I did. Ordering from around the world is not how it used to be, you can get anything from anywhere these days so don't pay more than you need too!
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May 10, 2011 at 9:35 AM Post #486 of 565


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Same here in the u.k.. it has nothing to do with the exchange rate either! £750 uk or £490 u.s for my RS1's. I chose the latter and I'm pleased that I did. Ordering from around the world is not how it used to be, you can get anything from anywhere these days so don't pay more than you need too!
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How do you do that? Do you use ShopUSA?
 
 
 
May 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM Post #487 of 565
Holy OT man! 
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Interesting how conversations evolve. First, let me say that there are only two kinds of music, good and bad, and that is so subjective as to make any debate pointless. My wife is a talented violinist, her father is an old school jazz/classical piano player who taught music, her brother plays the flute etc..etc. I myself have played the drums for years, listened to every genre of music I could with an open mind. I think that there is some brilliant rap music being produced, the word smithing can be wonderful poetry. The musical media used to construct the compositions can be as subtle and detailed as any other genre. Jazz was once derided as an artform. Many of the finest classical compositions and composers were also accused of being pale imitations of previous works or of questionable artistic merit. Rap is no different. I myself do not like very much of it at all, however, I have heard some pieces that are absolutely in my mind full value musical works, worthy of being appreciated and acknolwedged.
 
I think many people equate all rap as being about "mo money, girls , how big your tool is and why they be lustin for it". Undoubtably much of it is, but do not throw the baby out with the bathwater, in that murky stream of mediocrity will be some wonderful art if you have an open mind. For those of you who say it is so easy and trivial, I say show us your foray into the field then. If creating anything is as easy as assembling all the parts into the whole then why do very few people on earth ever manage to create art that resonates widely? Why do we value art so highly? Because it is difficult to produce good art, damn difficult. I hate the boom boom cars that go by blasting their music that I don't get, but I won't assume it is all crap simply because the very narrow cross-section I have encountered doesn't do it for me. Once in a while I hear some rap that stops me cold, gives me those quality shivers and I know I have encountered art that is meaningful to me.
 
I think we should give these rap fans the benefit of the doubt. For us older folks (I'm in my mid 40s) it wasn't long ago that almost every adult we knew told us how our music of choice wasn't music at all. What that meant for me was that they couldn't hear the music because they refused to listen and hence couldn't hear. Some rap is amazing, some is not. Some jazz is amazing, some is not etc....etc. I think those who don't like rap shouldn't call it all garbage and without musical merit. They should just say that it doesn't stimulate them and as such they can't really be moved by it. Equating quality with a pre-determined checklist of what constitutes proper music is very artificial. All art changes, all art evolves. You don't have to like it all, but don't tell people their art is without merit because it has been decided based on "accepted standards of art" that their creations are unworthy. Most unfair. 
 
It is a shame that Grado seems to be floundering in some areas, but I like what I have heard very much and I am buying my RS1i because I know what I like. I will also purchase other brands as I am able. I don't believe any one brand or model can ever be the best. It is a moving target that can never be hit on the bullseye and that is why audio is so much fun!



 
 
May 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM Post #488 of 565


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How do you do that? Do you use ShopUSA?
 
 



Just find a good New York ebayer he'll then send you a "gift" to avoid custom charges 
 
 
May 10, 2011 at 10:20 AM Post #489 of 565


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Rather OT but I agree.  I played violin for 4 years as a young one and dabbled in piano for two.  There is absolutely great rap out there and in some instances the messages are no less substantive than say Bob Dylan was in the 60's.  I do find quality to be thinning out gradually as a genre since the 90's but I find that true overall for all genres in music in general.  I think it's more of a social and economic shift myself.  Just a lack of quality art and music education in the public system as they were the first programs to get the budget axe.  That and large mega corps looking to turn quick money.
 
Btw, I've had the 80, 225, RS1i and after a few meets I've come to realize I am a Joe Grado fan.


What music system? This was only in elementary school for me, and now in middle school and high school its a choice. I played cello for 2 years, and i have learned alot about good music and how things should sound. When i move out and get my house, i would have no problem learning to play piano and get back on the cello. 
 
 
Feb 11, 2012 at 11:33 PM Post #490 of 565
 
I have read only the first page.
 
I don't think it's about Grado reputation much, I think it's more about the type of people who buys them.
 
I think that the problem is that Grado got more popular, popular and John Grado seems to associate this with "success". Especially since the release of the PS1000 and the i upgrade, Grado have sat on their steak to watch people buy their headphones. The thing is that Grado struggled and evolved isolated from the general public. They were a brand selling costly headphones almost exclusively to the audiophile and hardcore music listener.
 
Now in 2011 and 2012, Hi-Fi, High Fidelity, has became very well popularized with the new technologies in computer and TV. Things looks a lot better on TV and so does the graphic in video games. While the image naturally and perceptually improved, the audio didn't. I think that most people try to compensate by buying better headphones. But these people are not ready to take the audiophile turn, actually they don't even care about music they want great headphone to fit with their great TV. So they look up quickly on the internet here they find themselves : on Grado's website. If it wouldn't have been for this "research" they would have continued buying Sennheiser's a Futureshop for all their life worth... but here, instead, they are face to face with this company who sells headphones made out of wood and metal that look retro and that cost quite a lot. Just about the contrary of their usual and commonplace Sennheiser that they ALREADY OWN.
 
So they consider buying a Grado model. They Google the question about which one to pick and they fall on Head-Fi and website telling everywhere that SR-60i is the absolute best value for price ratio ever... and that, for an average Joe who doesn't know much about digital music and sound, and who doesn't want to know more either, is appealing. They are contemplating the Prestige series and they are telling to themselves "damn they all look the same, I will need to pump in 220 more dollars to have something different made out of metal" so they just stop there and buy SR60i.
 
Now three things happen, either they live happy for the rest of their life with their family and their SR60i, either they realize they have been using cheap and bad sounding headphones all their life, or either they are disliking the comfort of their Grado. In only the two latter of these three case, they will come and read again on Head-Fi. These guys aren't audiophiles at heart and aren't interested into upgrading their sound, Grado, or buying an amp, anytime soon, but they do enjoy their new found SQ enough to be curious about it. The first thing that they read on Head-Fi is that the pads the headbands are easily changed or modded to improve comfort, which they do if discomfort was the reason which brought them here in the first place. The second thing that they read on Head-Fi is that you can open you headphone and punch holes into the back of the driver, line the cup with felt, change the cup for one that is made out of wood, change the pads, tape the pads, recable the driver, buy Magnum drivers, and, in every way, improve the headphone. So they become this part of this new race of semi-audiophile trying to get the best sound with the least costing headphone. For reference, I define an audiophile starting by someone who is ready to pay much to get the absolute perfection in sound, which can also involves modification of the equipment but isn't strictly limited to this process for reaching its goals (of bigger scale) (compared to the semi-audiophile with lesser goals).
 
And that's pretty much how I think it all turned up. The massively increasingly popularity of headphones (thanks to the iPod and things like Beats), both for gaming and music listening, also has something to do with it. Grado became popular because of HD visuals in televisions... they reached a population a lot wider than only the audiophile and vinyl junkies. It's also how they got me...
 
More and more people search on the internet before buying things... and Grado here, who always relied on things like words to mouth to sell their products, are now getting some fantastic publicity out of their relatively good looking website.
 
 
Sorry if I had to type all of this fast and didn't proofread myself. I will come back and read all of this thread next time I log in.
 
Feb 12, 2012 at 12:07 AM Post #492 of 565
There's multiple reasons why I never considered a Grado:

1) Reputation for sibilance and harsh highs
2) Reputation for no bass. Literally, no bass.
3) Reputation for being one-genre headphones.
4) It looks kind of cheap, and I want an over-ear headphone.
 
Feb 12, 2012 at 3:55 AM Post #495 of 565

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