[StanD]

Full, bigger and wow doesn't tell exactly what is going on, please elaborate. Comparing these things is tricky as our memory (Echoic Memory) only lasts for a few seconds, a human limitation. One has to use an A/B switch to be able to quickly flip back and forth and also match volumes of both amps very carefully due to "Equal Loudness Contour." 

 

[betula]

  Full, bigger and wow doesn't tell exactly what is going on, please elaborate. Comparing these things is tricky as our memory (Echoic Memory) only lasts for a few seconds, a human limitation. One has to use an A/B switch to be able to quickly flip back and forth and also match volumes of both amps very carefully due to "Equal Loudness Contour." 

I did A/B switches. And tried to volume match using my ears, as I do not own an SPL meter.
 I am not confident using the audiophile jargon, but I try my best.
On the iCan the sound has more weight. It has much more body. Sound is an existing material, you almost can touch it. And you have lots of bass if you need it. (bass switch)
 Vali sounds spacious maybe a bit more realistic. But "pale" compared to the iCan. And thin. (Especially with bass heavy music genres.)
 Imho Vali is more like an audiophile amp. (More neutral and natural.) iCan was made for contemporary music. And it performs better with that.
I hope, it is a little bit better explanation.

 

[StanD]

 
I did A/B switches. And tried to volume match using my ears, as I do not own an SPL meter.
 I am not confident using the audiophile jargon, but I try my best.
On the iCan the sound has more weight. It has much more body. Sound is an existing material, you almost can touch it. And you have lots of bass if you need it. (bass switch)
 Vali sounds spacious maybe a bit more realistic. But "pale" compared to the iCan. And thin. (Especially with bass heavy music genres.)
 Imho Vali is more like an audiophile amp. (More neutral and natural.) iCan was made for contemporary music. And it performs better with that.
I hope, it is a little bit better explanation.

One shouldn't use any bass boost switch when comparing. One can EQ at the source if taste dictates and then compare under equal conditions. If both amps have a flar FR, then one should not have any more bass than the other. One should also consider expectation bias, after all we are human.

 

[betula]

  One shouldn't use any bass boost switch when comparing. One can EQ at the source if taste dictates and then compare under equal conditions.

If you read carefully, my comment was not just about bass.
One should read the comments carefully. And with an opened mind. Not a quickly judging mind.

Not everyone is a SPL fan audiophile. There are audible differences as well. As a general impression. For amateurs like me.

What I said is the impression of an amateur user after A/B switching with slightly  incorrect volume match.

I did not say it is the ultimate truth. It was my impression. You do not have to accept it.

(I do not know if you watch Game of Thrones, but with this "one should do this or that" way of speaking you remind me to the 'priest' of the many faced god.)

Anyway, I do not want to convince anyone about anything. I am just sharing my personal experience. But I can stop if it bothers anyone.

 

 

[jbarrentine]

  Full, bigger and wow doesn't tell exactly what is going on, please elaborate. Comparing these things is tricky as our memory (Echoic Memory) only lasts for a few seconds, a human limitation. One has to use an A/B switch to be able to quickly flip back and forth and also match volumes of both amps very carefully due to "Equal Loudness Contour." 

 
There's more weight to the music. It's more present? I feel like I'm actually listening to something in the room with me. I dunno I'm not able to describe it better. This combination clearly does something that the Vali combination does not, with both headphones I own. 
 
The HD600 is so damn good how I'm running it now that I honestly wonder if I need the T90 anymore. I'm listening to Chris Jones Roadhouses & Automobiles and I drifted for a moment and *for the first time ever* I got an ethereal "I'm actually listening to this in person" moment. It was almost jarring to realize I was still sitting in my chair. I now know what people are talking about when they say such a thing. I didn't think it was actually possible before 5 minutes ago. (Damn the mastering on this disc is REALLY good).

 

[kman1211]

 
I did A/B switches. And tried to volume match using my ears, as I do not own an SPL meter.
 I am not confident using the audiophile jargon, but I try my best.
On the iCan the sound has more weight. It has much more body. Sound is an existing material, you almost can touch it. And you have lots of bass if you need it. (bass switch)
 Vali sounds spacious maybe a bit more realistic. But "pale" compared to the iCan. And thin. (Especially with bass heavy music genres.)
 Imho Vali is more like an audiophile amp. (More neutral and natural.) iCan was made for contemporary music. And it performs better with that.
I hope, it is a little bit better explanation.

Reminds me of when I compared the Lyr 2 to the Magni. Definitely a lot more weight and body to the sound on the Lyr 2. It was without a doubt the most obvious differences between the two.

 

[perhapss]

  Got it in. A COMPLETELY different (and better) headphone with the Project Polaris. All the good things it did under amped with the Vali are now better with the Polaris. Everything is much more full. The whole "hd600/650 really need a bigger amp" thing isn't a lie. More is better. 

  Wow, that`s a very suggestive avatar you got there 

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[StanD]

Personally I don't buy into this, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is enjoy the experience and listen on.

 

[jbarrentine]

  Personally I don't buy into this, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is enjoy the experience and listen on.

 
I don't know how anyone could NOT hear it. There's nothing to "buy into" as that implies deception or untruth.

 

[StanD]

  Personally I don't buy into this, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is enjoy the experience and listen on.

 
 

   
I don't know how anyone could NOT hear it. There's nothing to "buy into" as that implies deception or untruth.

Or it simply states that evryone is entitled to their own opinion and enjoy your own experience.

 

[Phishin Phool]

  Personally I don't buy into this, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. All I can say is enjoy the experience and listen on.

I don't like that saying I subscribe to this guys philosophy

Every year, I try to do at least two things with my students at least once. First, I make a point of addressing them as “philosophers” – a bit cheesy, but hopefully it encourages active learning.

Secondly, I say something like this: “I’m sure you’ve heard the expression ‘everyone is entitled to their opinion.’ Perhaps you’ve even said it yourself, maybe to head off an argument or bring one to a close. Well, as soon as you walk into this room, it’s no longer true. You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to what you can argue for.”

 

Article: http://www.iflscience.com/brain/no-youre-not-entitled-your-opinion

 

[StanD]

  I don't like that saying I subscribe to this guys philosophy

I can only say that, "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." 

 

[Phishin Phool]

  I can only say that, "Don't believe everything you read on the internet."

My actual e-mail sig and banner in my main forums  HDF and AVS  is "Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Albert Einstein"

 

[StanD]

  My actual e-mail sig and banner in my main forums  HDF and AVS  is "Don't believe everything you read on the internet - Albert Einstein"

That's one reason why I quoted that. 

 Of course Einstein never said that.

 

[krismusic]

I don't like that saying I subscribe to this guys philosophy

There is a big difference between what might work with a roomful of students and what will work communicating on a forum.