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Mad Lust Envy's Headphone Gaming Guide: (8/18/2022: iFi GO Blu Review Added)
Nov 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM Post #18,422 of 48,566
evshrug said:
Well, improve but not completely eliminate. You gain one level of height cues, which should make a difference, but the audio is still being funneled into discreet speaker direction channels, and there are no directly above direction nor any below directions.

If you think DTS Headphone X is cool, listen to what true 3D audio not designed for a handful of speakers can do, and add your comments to my Virtual Surround journal article:Lol just saw that! Would be great for movies, though the Mac App Store also just had steam-summer-sale-like discounts on the biggest games for Mac.
The HDMI split-out box sounds like a good adapter system. For some reason, Dolby Digital Live (the Dolby signal that Mixamps and DSS's and Recon3D USB surround processors use) CAN already be output by an Xbox One through HDMI, so pulling the audio from that should work. Just annoying that we would need an extra adapter, but that sounds like the least expensive solution for right now.

I'm experimenting with BF3 settings now, which have the same options, and I think Home Theater is what you need for surround channels. You'd think hi-Fi mode would be best, but I think that only gives you stereo.
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On the HDMI split-out thought, I'm going to try this Kanex Pro model. http://www.amazon.com/Kanex-Pro-HAECOAX-De-Embedder-Support/product-reviews/B009KAU0WO/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
Says it supports DD and DTS 5.1 outputs on toslink or coax from 5.1 HDMI sources. Also one Amazon reviewer stated he was using w/ a DAC and discovered if you set output switch to 5.1 even if using stereo, then you get 24/192 resolution instead of 24/48 when set to "stereo". Seems like a bargain in comparison at under $60 if you own a MixAmp or other DH processor looking for a DD 5.1 signal, especially if your source does not output that natively like the XBone (yet.) Especially cheap compared to an AV receiver used as a headphone DAC.... So when this arrives Monday I will try it out with the XBone and my HTPC sources to see how well it works and report back. Note if the One does not output game audio signals in Dolby Digital 5.1 via HDMI yet, this will still not work to the fullest with a MixAmp. I know they have a "beta" (enable checkbox in menu) to now allow DD passthru from the HDMI input, but am not sure if any game audio can be output over HDMI in surround encoded in anything other than DTS? You mentioned it does now use DD 5.1 via HDMI, I had not heard that yet, but if true, we'd be golden with this box if it works as advertised. 
 
Nov 27, 2013 at 11:16 PM Post #18,423 of 48,566
evshrug said:
conquerator2 said:
No, it is a limitation of the current technology. It cannot simulate sounds coming from above or bellow yet.
There is Dolby Headphone X which seems promising and should eliminate these issues, hopefully :]
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Well, improve but not completely eliminate. You gain one level of height cues, which should make a difference, but the audio is still being funneled into discreet speaker direction channels, and there are no directly above direction nor any below directions.

If you think DTS Headphone X is cool, listen to what true 3D audio not designed for a handful of speakers can do, and add your comments to my Virtual Surround journal article:
[Video]http://youtu.be/_6uUtf-lMQQ[/Video]
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What kind of technology is that? It sounds like a DSP was added but I'm thinking it's more than just that.

I'm still not into true surround sound systems so this stereo sound-based stuff is pretty neat. Binaural recordings are cool and all, but it's hard to implement that technology in games.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:00 AM Post #18,424 of 48,566
Whatever GenAudio's doing with AstoundSound, it's working. I heard some honest-to-goodness elevation cues in there.
 
I just hope that the full AstoundSound quality doesn't require the presence of a TrueAudio DSP, even if it does mean greater CPU load. I don't necessarily want to give up certain NVIDIA-exclusive features just yet, and besides, the TrueAudio-enabled cards would force me to buy a video DAC for my GDM-FW900.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 1:06 AM Post #18,425 of 48,566
I remove the part of my sig stating not to ask me gaming headphone questions via pm, and I get an instant flood of messages. Guess I need to leave that on my sig. I'm not going to answer the same questions over and over. Make up your own conclusions as to what works best for you based on what you want, and what I have written. I don't understand why people feel the need to ask questions answered on the guide.

If I'm ranting, I apologize, but every joe schmo thinks they're the only ones who ask me questions, when I get the same exact ones on a daily basis.

What'd the best competitive gaming headphone for under $10?

Can I use the HE-4 with a Fiio E5 for now?

Is the treble on the DT990 too sparkly?

Does the XB700 have bass that is too much for competitive gaming?

Is the Ad700 the best gaming headphone for FPS games for a cheap price?

What headphone has punchy bass, forward mids, large soundstage, great for gaming competitive and fun, good treble, comfortable, doesn't leak out, easy to drive, and is less than $200? (you'd be surprised how many people want it ALL for a cheap price like there is a secret, perfect headphone only I know about)

LOOK AT THE GUIDE PLEASE
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 2:52 AM Post #18,426 of 48,566
Anyone wanna trade their Mixamp 5.8 for a Mixamp 2011 and some cash? My Mixamp 2011 works fine, just a bit sensitive on the headphone jack (though I suspect it may just be the mediabridge cable not being a tight fit).

To be completely honest, I kind of want to go less and less cable clutter. Interested in what new wireless headsets come out. Like the PLYR1, but the comfort isn't ideal to me.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM Post #18,427 of 48,566
I only got really one response and since cyber Monday is coming up I should reword my question as well.
 
I'm currently using a USB sound card, are they not as good as internal ones?
 
I'm looking for a headset/headphone+mic replacement. My last one cost me about $130 if I remember they were Turtle Beach DPX21's for the PS3 that I started using for me PC. I'm not an audiophile, but I do play a lot of FPS games semi competitively (I'm competitive, not sure about the rest of the people in the pubs lol).
 
I'm looking for something $100 or less, but like I said now that cyber Monday is coming up maybe some suggestions on sets to keep an eye on that might drop to or below $100 would be a good idea to.
 
I really need a headset/headphone+mic set up soon as I am sick of using my old headset just for the mic and having to wear ear buds or go through my speakers.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM Post #18,428 of 48,566
bakuryu said:
  I only got really one response and since cyber Monday is coming up I should reword my question as well.
 
I'm currently using a USB sound card, are they not as good as internal ones?
 
I'm looking for a headset/headphone+mic replacement. My last one cost me about $130 if I remember they were Turtle Beach DPX21's for the PS3 that I started using for me PC. I'm not an audiophile, but I do play a lot of FPS games semi competitively (I'm competitive, not sure about the rest of the people in the pubs lol).
 
I'm looking for something $100 or less, but like I said now that cyber Monday is coming up maybe some suggestions on sets to keep an eye on that might drop to or below $100 would be a good idea to.
 
I really need a headset/headphone+mic set up soon as I am sick of using my old headset just for the mic and having to wear ear buds or go through my speakers.
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Internal sound cards are usually worse than external due to the internal's noise. So I'd say external > internal.
As for headphones, the Creative Aurvana Live! is a good headphone and you can use the cheap clip-on [is it?] mic MLE is using.
Or the Audio Technica headphones, which are also generally good.
I feel MLE is more informed in this regard though so I am sure he'll be able to provide a more informative answer :]
 
Meanwhile, I am thoroughly enjoying my W1000X with HiFiMAN pleather pads :]
 

 
Nov 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM Post #18,429 of 48,566
bakuryu said:
 I only got really one response and since cyber Monday is coming up I should reword my question as well.
 
I'm currently using a USB sound card, are they not as good as internal ones?
 
I'm looking for a headset/headphone+mic replacement. My last one cost me about $130 if I remember they were Turtle Beach DPX21's for the PS3 that I started using for me PC. I'm not an audiophile, but I do play a lot of FPS games semi competitively (I'm competitive, not sure about the rest of the people in the pubs lol).
 
I'm looking for something $100 or less, but like I said now that cyber Monday is coming up maybe some suggestions on sets to keep an eye on that might drop to or below $100 would be a good idea to.
 
I really need a headset/headphone+mic set up soon as I am sick of using my old headset just for the mic and having to wear ear buds or go through my speakers. Have a look at something like this mate the V2..you want surround sound not just stereo..sennheiser have got some of the best sounding headsets but the surrounds not that good for bf4!
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/v4-hhSACoH0[/VIDEO]
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Nov 28, 2013 at 10:34 AM Post #18,430 of 48,566
mikemav said:
On the HDMI split-out thought, I'm going to try this Kanex Pro model. http://www.amazon.com/Kanex-Pro-HAECOAX-De-Embedder-Support/product-reviews/B009KAU0WO/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
.Note if the One does not output game audio signals in Dolby Digital 5.1 via HDMI yet, this will still not work to the fullest with a MixAmp. I know they have a "beta" (enable checkbox in menu) to now allow DD passthru from the HDMI input, but am not sure if any game audio can be output over HDMI in surround encoded in anything other than DTS? You mentioned it does now use DD 5.1 via HDMI, I had not heard that yet, but if true, we'd be golden with this box if it works as advertised. 
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Hopefully we are golden, but I just thought of another possible caveat... The game/movie has to support Dolby too. I think most games do... I dunno what it's like, I just know that on my 360 I have to go to the dashboard and make sure my audio settings have Dolby Digital 5.1 selected. Good luck to all

Anyone else kinda see XBone and think X-Boned? Might just be me, I've been thinking Micro$uck since the 90's before they bailed out Apple (anti-trust issues) and created the XBOX division.

namelesspfg said:
Whatever GenAudio's doing with AstoundSound, it's working. I heard some honest-to-goodness elevation cues in there.

I just hope that the full AstoundSound quality doesn't require the presence of a TrueAudio DSP, even if it does mean greater CPU load. I don't necessarily want to give up certain NVIDIA-exclusive features just yet, and besides, the TrueAudio-enabled cards would force me to buy a video DAC for my GDM-FW900.
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Is that the first time you saw the demo? It was posted on your thread by Feg and then again (and it's possible industry effect) discussed on my thread. I'm not exactly sure what AstoundSound is... I thought it was GenAudio and AMD created a piece of audio-processing hardware called TrueAudio to be placed on Radeon graphics cards (and the Radeon-equipped PS4). I did read that it interacts with games before FMOD or Wwise processing, and apparently consideration was taken to make it easy to implement. I'd rather invite talk about it on my thread than derail the headphone guide, but in short this sounds like the second coming of OpenAL.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:36 AM Post #18,431 of 48,566
I am surprised this hasn't been brought up yet and for a crazy price right now on amazon almost the same price as an astro mixamp.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Tournament-Mixer-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B0099R6GU8
 
I don't know how it sounds but if it works as advertised you wouldn't need another mixamp for ages. 
 
Sometimes I wish I lived in the states I would buy this just to test it out. 
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM Post #18,432 of 48,566
hailin said:
  I am surprised this hasn't been brought up yet and for a crazy price right now on amazon almost the same price as an astro mixamp.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Tournament-Mixer-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B0099R6GU8
 
I don't know how it sounds but if it works as advertised you wouldn't need another mixamp for ages. 
 
Sometimes I wish I lived in the states I would buy this just to test it out. 
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Actually I think you would still require a Mixamp. That's listed as a mixer and not a DSP; basically just mixing like a sound board does. I don't see any mention of surround processing on the page. Also, you can do the same thing with Mixamps. So instead of buying Mixamps plus this I'd just wiring 6 together as they were designed. Maybe there's a very short delay with this system, but I'd just end up using in game chat or a locally hosted vent/teamspeak.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM Post #18,433 of 48,566
axelcloris said:
   
Actually I think you would still require a Mixamp. That's listed as a mixer and not a DSP; basically just mixing like a sound board does. I don't see any mention of surround processing on the page. Also, you can do the same thing with Mixamps. So instead of buying Mixamps plus this I'd just wiring 6 together as they were designed. Maybe there's a very short delay with this system, but I'd just end up using in game chat or a locally hosted vent/teamspeak.
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Nice catch Axel. Then what is the point of the optical input then?
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM Post #18,434 of 48,566
hailin said:
  Nice catch Axel. Then what is the point of the optical input then?
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There are times where you'll only have access to optical out. This will take a signal over Toslink and bring it into the mixer. You might be able to output DH from a computer's sound card and then run into the device via optical and get surround to all players that way. But they'd need individual sound cards in order to do so.
 
Nov 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM Post #18,435 of 48,566
axelcloris said:
   
There are times where you'll only have access to optical out. This will take a signal over Toslink and bring it into the mixer. You might be able to output DH from a computer's sound card and then run into the device via optical and get surround to all players that way. But they'd need individual sound cards in order to do so.
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Yup reading more about it on another website. It is strictly a lan broadcasting tool and pass through. Another great loss for the Dolby Headphone community. It is sort of starting to piss me off we are so tied to Astro. None of these companies are willing to take a chance, and Astro after abandoning the 5.8 is working backwards now.
They aren't even willing to support our 2011 versions and want us all to upgrade to an inferior sounding product. No offense to 2013 owners out there not like you had much of a choice.
 
Even Steelseries new wireless headset as amazing as it looks screwed the pooch by not including a headphone out. A part that cost way less then a dollar to include!
 
I am really thinking of saying f-it and just buy a A50, Plyr1, XP510 or H9 Wireless and calling it quits and just using my headphones to listen to music, which in hindsight will save my wallet a grand a year. :wink: After I get a CAL!2 of course. Sorry I am so bitter about all this.
 
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