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Interested in your review of the headzone after your done playing with it.

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I just got it, and I'm setting it up now. Before anyone asks, I only bought the base. No MMX300/DT880s or headtracker. This is simply going to function as a very expensive, glorified Mixamp, with a different virtual surround than Dolby Headphone. wink.gif

The issue being that it has a 100ohm output impedance, which is only really perfect with.... 800ohm+ headphones, lol, which makes no sense to bundle it with a 32ohm like the MMX300. But we'll see how it deals with the very low 25ohm D7000. If anything, attaching another amp to is (the way we do with the Mixamp), will bypass that issue.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/31/12 at 10:54am
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Nice write-up. My impression on the "bass-shy" reputation electrostatics have was that the sound was there, but that the slam wasn't...but if what you say is true, it's more of a trait of the Lambda series design (possibly the most common electrostatics around) along with amplifiers that don't have enough voltage swing.

 

Even though they're overkill for just gaming, I still wouldn't want to do without my Stax Lambdas for gaming. All-day comfort, plus that atmospheric presentation that works nicely with games to me...but the positional advantages may have more to do with CMSS-3D Headphone or Dolby Headphone or similar technologies than anything else.

 

Also, I see that MLE has a Headzone...can't wait to see a writeup on whether or not it's worth the hefty US$1,000+ price tag.

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First impressions (like literally 30 minutes in):

It's good... but in all honesty, it's too much like the Mixamp, so.... I don't see much of a benefit other than adjusting room size and ambience. In terms of sheer surround positioning (with BLOPS and Mass Effect 2), it feels relatively the same. More testing to be done, but other than the benefit of having virtual surround for movies (DTS works, meaning all Blu-Rays will work with this), can't justify the $1100 tag. I was expecting something much closer to the binaural demo (though it says Dolby Headphone, it is NOT Dolby Headphone, it is BINAURAL):


The rear positioning on that demo is INCREDIBLE. Both DH and the Headzone's DSP don't do it as well.



My impressions may change, but I honestly don't see it happening.

One thing to note: The D7000 doesn't sound like it's messed up or anything, which was a fear due to the high 100ohm output impedance.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/31/12 at 11:46am
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Ya know the PS3 can transcode from DTS to Dolby, pretty handy feature. 

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Umm, no it can't. If you check the DTS box, Blu-Rays with DTS NEVER play any sound off the Mixamp (which only takes Dolby Digital). Also no DTS enabled game plays any sound off the Mixamp unless I uncheck DTS. Blu-rays have core audio files that will play sound, however, it won't be DTS or DD.

Unless you're doing something to transcode it.

What the PS3 WILL do is downconvert every signal to Linear 2 channel PCM.

the only time the Mixamp will work properly with Blu-ray is if the main audio file you selected for playback is tied to Dolby, like Dolby True HD (the core Dolby Digital signal is in there).

As a test, you can just take any movie that has multiple language tracks. Pretty much EVERY time the main file is DTS related, the secondary languages will be Dolby.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/31/12 at 11:59am
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do you have any harder to drive cans, interested to see how well it amplifies.

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do you have any harder to drive cans, interested to see how well it amplifies.


No anymore, though the brochure states that the recommended headphones are the T1 and 250ohm DT880s.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/31/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

First impressions (like literally 30 minutes in):

It's good... but in all honesty, it's too much like the Mixamp, so.... I don't see much of a benefit other than adjusting room size and ambience. In terms of sheer surround positioning (with BLOPS and Mass Effect 2), it feels relatively the same. More testing to be done, but other than the benefit of having virtual surround for movies (DTS works, meaning all Blu-Rays will work with this), can't justify the $1100 tag.


Thanks for the impressions.  Sounds like it's probably not worth it just for gaming?..

 

Where did you get it?  Can you return it or do you have to turn around and sell it?

 

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I got it from Amazon. Looks like I can return it, though I will lose around $17... for the pickup and refund deduction. Worth checking it out, anyways.

Did pretty good on Black ops, but it really is the same as the Mixamp for me.


The PC360 sounds especially good off it. I guess the impedance mismatch added a beneficial euphonic distortion to it.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/31/12 at 12:35pm
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For $1000, I would expect something more like this....
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The D7000 with the room setting maxed out sounds phenomenal. No hiss either. Its good, justnot worth it over the Mixamp.
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The D7000 with the room setting maxed out sounds phenomenal. No hiss either. Its good, justnot worth it over the Mixamp.


Nah... since we are talking about your money...

 

you should keep it.. haha :)

 

Next you can try the realiser :)

http://smyth-research.com/products.html

 

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Edited by obazavil - 1/31/12 at 1:29pm
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anyone have any recommendations for reasonably priced<$400.00 headphone amp for AKG Q701?

 

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So, I finally went out and bought the HD598 with money I have saved up. I can only thank your review for helping me out. :)

 

I've never used open headphones before, and I'm really excited.

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