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Nov 6, 2014 at 9:27 AM Post #3,841 of 4,010
What fascinates me most about the DT1350 is its deep reaching, clear bass... look for any electronica with strong deep bass (not upper bass). It does not throw it in your face, bing rather neutral, but I had a lot of 'wow, what was *that*"-moments
 
Nov 6, 2014 at 9:43 AM Post #3,842 of 4,010
plakat said:
  What fascinates me most about the DT1350 is its deep reaching, clear bass... look for any electronica with strong deep bass (not upper bass). It does not throw it in your face, bing rather neutral, but I had a lot of 'wow, what was *that*"-moments
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Indeed...and that is why I've been looking for a full-size version of the DT1350 sound.
 
The closest I've heard is the D2000...but the DT1350's bass is still better.
 
Nov 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM Post #3,843 of 4,010
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plakat said:
  What fascinates me most about the DT1350 is its deep reaching, clear bass... look for any electronica with strong deep bass (not upper bass). It does not throw it in your face, bing rather neutral, but I had a lot of 'wow, what was *that*"-moments
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elvergun said:
 
Indeed...and that is why I've been looking for a full-size version of the DT1350 sound.
 
The closest I've heard is the D2000...but the DT1350's bass is still better.
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Well, I'll have to wait a bit to check this out unfortunately: the jack plug wasn't attached very well to the cable - I kept on losing the sound this morning - so back to Amazon it's gone. A bugger, at least until the replacement arrives. Well, I can always check out the T51p whilst waiting...
 
I'd been thinking of trying some Leftfield with it, for example. Who were you thinking of when you mentioned "electronica with strong deep bass" Plakat?
Before sending back I'd tried it with "Wish you were here" (Pink Floyd), "Looking at you" (Sunscreem), "Bad before good" (Day One), "Death" (White Lies), "Rendez-Vous 2 & 4" (Jean-Michel Jarre), "Crazy" and "Gone daddy gone" (Gnarls Barkley), "Kids with guns" & "Dirty Harry" (Gorillaz). I'd have loved to have tried Northern Exposure 1 or 2 (Sasha & Digweed) or some Banco De Gaia on it (and why not some FSOL, Justice or Orbital as well).
 
I'd only done preliminary listening so far (all either CD or flac), and that was occasionally interrupted due to cable problems, so I'm not really formed an opinion so far outside of that it's seems to be a good studio phone: detailed, fairly neutral, a tighter soundstage than the T51p on a couple of live tracks that I listened to. BTW the microphonics with the cable are quite something when you've got nothing playing.
 
Nov 15, 2014 at 1:15 AM Post #3,844 of 4,010
duncanmf said:
  Well Christmas has come early! 
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Yesterday the T51p arrived, along with a A200p , and today a DT1350 arrived...
I'm not sure that I'm going to be keeping all this, and I've at least 10 days to decide, but it looks like it's going to be tough.
From what listening I've managed to do so far it's clear that the T51p and the DT1350 don't have the same sound. Generally I find the DT1350 to be more revealing, but then if I immediately swap it for the T51p I can manage to hear more or less the same amount of detail. The T51p is more comfortable, a bit too light weight almost, and maybe doesn't clamp my head enough (small head I guess) - I get the feeling that it might fall off if I jump up and run across the room. The DT1350 is more stable on my head and not at all uncomfortable up to 1 hrs use at least.
 
I'm not certain about the A200p for the moment. I haven't used it enough to form an opinion on it's abilities.
 
If anyone has any suggestions for good tracks that really highlight the differences between the T51p and the DT1350 then I'm a taker (you around at the moment plakat?)! Similarly for the A200p - can be from any musical style as well.
 
In a few days time, when I get some time I'll have to try a frequency sweep, compare my results to those of Mr D "G"ale T"R"horn (I don't know if I have to write his name like this, but the last time I tried to mention this person I got censored), and see what difference I can here between the two beauties when they are both EQ'ed.
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I've not heard the T51s, but one test track I love for the 1350s is "Angel" by Massive Attack. The low end of that song from the very get-go is just amazing, and the 1350s love showing off their low end prowess. I used that track to demo them for a coworker a couple years ago who thought Beats were the best headphones on earth. Still remember the look on his face when the Beyers put out that beautiful clean, deep bass. 
 
Nov 16, 2014 at 3:20 AM Post #3,845 of 4,010
elvergun said:
 
Indeed...and that is why I've been looking for a full-size version of the DT1350 sound.
 
The closest I've heard is the D2000...but the DT1350's bass is still better.
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That rock-solid DT1350/T50p bass isn't easy to duplicate.  Good luck in your search, you're going to need it.  =X
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 2:17 PM Post #3,846 of 4,010
Dear DT1350 users.
 
I'm very interested in this headphone - would love to audition one, but can't find a shop that has them to demo.   I've read through a lot of this thread (and other reviews) and am still slightly perplexed about the sound of the 1350.  
 
I have a Fostex HP-P1 - the combination with the 1350s sounds quite legendary.  Perfect so far, and I would love to have some headphones which will really gel well with this DAC/amp.
 
However, whereas some people seem to describe the 1350 as being "lush" and "warm", others seem to describe it as being "cold" and "unforgiving".  The former sounds good, but the latter not so much.   I've been using the B&W P7 and to be honest I do often find these quite thin and a bit hollow so am keen to avoid anything of this nature, particularly anything that is even remotely harsh or bright. 
 
I know it's all highly subjective, but any thoughts would be gratefully received.   I listened to the T51ps and thought they were fantastic - so engaging, excellent bass, everything was smooth, yet quite detailed - a world away from the P7s.  
 
Given that the 1350s will be a better match for the HP-P1, do you think these will still fit the bill for me ?  I listen to all genres (not classical so much)
 
 
Regards, 
 
Jeb. 
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:01 PM Post #3,847 of 4,010
to me the T51P have a more "mainstreamed" (more bass , smoother , the treble not as piercing ) tuning compared to the 1350, I liked it better not better for me to actually want to buy it and change up from my DT1350, so if you actually liked the more mainstreamed sound , you can pick them up I guess, the only concern I would have is with the HP-P1 combo sounding too smooth
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:10 PM Post #3,848 of 4,010
Thats interesting Retrias - thank you.  I definitely don't like the sound of piercing treble.
 
In terms of how the T51ps sounded with the Fostex HP P1 - I was actually able to test that when I was demoing the headphones.  I tried quite extensively with and without the amp. 
 
I must say, the difference did not seem to be huge.  At least not to my ears.  The T51ps are all in all very easy to drive (32 Ohms apparently vs 1350s at 80 Ohms).   My experience is that there is a sweet-spot for the Fostex and the 51s weren't necessarily in it. 
 
 
If I can ask another question - Do you find the high end to be fatiguing with the 1350s?  I'm fine with detail, but I do want my headphones to be fun. 
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:50 PM Post #3,850 of 4,010
jeb listens said:
  Thats interesting Retrias - thank you.  I definitely don't like the sound of piercing treble.
 
In terms of how the T51ps sounded with the Fostex HP P1 - I was actually able to test that when I was demoing the headphones.  I tried quite extensively with and without the amp. 
 
I must say, the difference did not seem to be huge.  At least not to my ears.  The T51ps are all in all very easy to drive (32 Ohms apparently vs 1350s at 80 Ohms).   My experience is that there is a sweet-spot for the Fostex and the 51s weren't necessarily in it. 
 
 
If I can ask another question - Do you find the high end to be fatiguing with the 1350s?  I'm fine with detail, but I do want my headphones to be fun. 
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no, not really , they are not really like the T1 or the T70/90, their high is pretty high but they are not that high for me to feel fatique with it , all I reccomend is to not get a bright source to go with it
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM Post #3,851 of 4,010
retrias said:
  to me the T51P have a more "mainstreamed" (more bass , smoother , the treble not as piercing ) tuning compared to the 1350, I liked it better not better for me to actually want to buy it and change up from my DT1350, so if you actually liked the more mainstreamed sound , you can pick them up I guess, the only concern I would have is with the HP-P1 combo sounding too smooth
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My opinion is based on only a couple of weeks with both (at the same time), but from memory I would agree with your sentiments except that to me the T51P's "more bass" was "more mid-bass" which encroached on the mids at times (the DT1350 bass on the other hand was very well controlled with excellent sub-bass). Also, I didn't find the DT1350's treble to ever be "piercing", but yes, the T51P's highs were toned down a bit. I preferred the sound of the DT1350's, but the comfort of the T51P's. 
 
 
jeb listens said:
  However, whereas some people seem to describe the 1350 as being "lush" and "warm", others seem to describe it as being "cold" and "unforgiving".  The former sounds good, but the latter not so much.   I've been using the B&W P7 and to be honest I do often find these quite thin and a bit hollow so am keen to avoid anything of this nature, particularly anything that is even remotely harsh or bright. 
 
I know it's all highly subjective, but any thoughts would be gratefully received.   I listened to the T51ps and thought they were fantastic - so engaging, excellent bass, everything was smooth, yet quite detailed - a world away from the P7s.  
 
Given that the 1350s will be a better match for the HP-P1, do you think these will still fit the bill for me ?  I listen to all genres (not classical so much)
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I'm not sure how anyone could find the 1350's to be "cold and unforgiving". Anyway, if you can handle the comfort level of the dt1350's (and many can), the 1350's might be for you. Then again, you seemed to really enjoy the T51P sound, so yeah, the concern would be pairing with your HP-P1.
 
Fwiw, I've tried out the P7's a few times at a store (using my source), and your impressions of them match up with what I was hearing. That was surprising to me and I figured the pair must be faulty. But reading your similar impressions makes me think that maybe the problem is that both you and I are crazy lol 
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Nov 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM Post #3,852 of 4,010
waynes world said:
   
My opinion is based on only a couple of weeks with both (at the same time), but from memory I would agree with your sentiments except that to me the T51P's "more bass" was "more mid-bass" which encroached on the mids at times (the DT1350 bass on the other hand was very well controlled with excellent sub-bass). Also, I didn't find the DT1350's treble to ever be "piercing", but yes, the T51P's highs were toned down a bit. I preferred the sound of the DT1350's, but the comfort of the T51P's. 
 
 
 
I'm not sure how anyone could find the 1350's to be "cold and unforgiving". Anyway, if you can handle the comfort level of the dt1350's (and many can), the 1350's might be for you. Then again, you seemed to really enjoy the T51P sound, so yeah, the concern would be pairing with your HP-P1.
 
Fwiw, I've tried out the P7's a few times at a store (using my source), and your impressions of them match up with what I was hearing. That was surprising to me and I figured the pair must be faulty. But reading your similar impressions makes me think that maybe the problem is that both you and I are crazy lol 
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Crazy.  
 
Yes Indeed I've considered that diagnosis.  Jury is still out on that one :-D 
 
The P7s are quite enigmatic.  They can sound like the greatest headphone in the world  OR like a pair of Apple earbuds.  I get a bit tired of this Jekyll & Hyde act.  I think that that is in part because they straddle this quite unusual line between being an easy-to-drive "Apple-oriented" headphone and a serious audiophile headphone.  But they can sound quite grainy and digital even out of the relatively smooth HP-P1.    The craftsmanship and design is superb though.  They even come in some high class leather-padded clutch-bag that wouldn't look out of place if your girlfriend took it out on the town.  
 
Your assessment of the mid bass encroachment on the T51s sounds spot on to me  (based on my short demo). 
 
You know what, since I have the HP-P1,  I think I owe it to myself to at least try the DT1350s.  I can always send them back and get the T51ps instead since I know they are excellent.  If not, I'll always be wondering what if......  Never a good way to start. 
 
 
Besides the slightly diminished mid-bass, would you describe the overall sound signature as quite similar to the 51s?   Quite warm?
 
 
Regards,
 
Jeb. 
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM Post #3,853 of 4,010
jeb listens said:
 
You know what, since I have the HP-P1,  I think I owe it to myself to at least try the DT1350s.  I can always send them back and get the T51ps instead since I know they are excellent.  If not, I'll always be wondering what if......  Never a good way to start. 
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If you can, get both of them at the same time. You'll be quite sure about things then.
 
 
jeb listens said:
  Besides the slightly diminished mid-bass, would you describe the overall sound signature as quite similar to the 51s?   Quite warm?
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Yes. But more controlled and detailed.
 
Nov 22, 2014 at 3:19 AM Post #3,855 of 4,010
waynes world said:
   
My opinion is based on only a couple of weeks with both (at the same time), but from memory I would agree with your sentiments except that to me the T51P's "more bass" was "more mid-bass" which encroached on the mids at times (the DT1350 bass on the other hand was very well controlled with excellent sub-bass). Also, I didn't find the DT1350's treble to ever be "piercing", but yes, the T51P's highs were toned down a bit. I preferred the sound of the DT1350's, but the comfort of the T51P's. 
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@Jeb Listens I can only second what wayne is saying about the DT1350. To me the T51p is also a bit more consumer oriented with more midbass and a bit toned down treble and better comfort. I still prefer the DT1350 overall and they pair very well with the HP-P1. And yes, the deep bass produced by the DT1350 is amazing. Not in-your-face but there when called for. Plus they work fine directly out of an iPhone, despite their 80Ohm impedance.
 
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