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hey guys what's up i'm new here so let me put out a little history. 

 

i've had ultimate ears 700s which i loved but i felt they lacked in the mid bass bass area

 

currently have beats solo's but the sq is nowhere near that of the ue 700s

 

I'm hoping for some help on finding an over ear setup with closed cans that will give me at least the sq of the ue 700 or better, and the bass output of the beats studios and the like. i'm not familiar with brands of headphones but i know sq as i'm big on it with car audio. so any help would be appreciated. and i know this is the wrong forum but if you could also recommend an ear bud setup similar to my requests while being as comfortable as the ue 700 it would be greatly appreciated. i'm hoping to keep it under $150 for each but if its only a few bucks more for that much of a greater product i'd consider shelling out the extra cash. oh yeah and i primarily listen to hip hop, spanish, dubstep and looking for them to be portable.  Thanks


Edited by jayiszraw - 2/28/13 at 7:59pm
post #25517 of 29491
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Originally Posted by wonruger View Post

 

Thanks for the input, this is kind of what I was afraid would be the case.  I am using on board audio, although the electra is the same impedance (32 ohm) and sounds better with the on board.  It may still be worth trying a source upgrade, since I'm guessing even if I go to more expensive headphones that will still be a barrier.

 

So.. to upgrade my source, is it better to go with an external Amp, soundcard (ie Asus Xonar DG), or external DAC/Amp?  I was thinking an external Amp as this would give me more flexibility to use it with sources other than my PC...

omg... noooo! From your $40 headphone budget, you are definitely looking at this wrong.

 

1.) Ensure your audio files are high-quality. This is usually just involves re-ripping your CDs and is FREE!! :) This change is the biggest & easiest change to perceive. after you reach 320kps, the upgrade in sound is very hard to hear.

2.) Increase your headphone budget. I would get a $100-150 pair of headphones that are generally thought of as a good value per dollar. Spending anymore will probably be decreasing returns per dollar, but any less, you probably can perceive the lower sound quality.

Example would be the Audio-Technica M50. I've never heard them, and I do kinda think they are over-hyped, but the general consensus is they offer incredible sound quality for the price point. They are $122 on Amazon right now. There are probably a ton of other great options at a cheaper price point, but none so universally loved. lol. Instead of buying two crappy $50 headphones, you can just get one nice pair of headphones.

3.) Use a equalizer to tune the sound signature to what you like.

 

Sit back & enjoy.

 

Sound cards, amps, and those things make a really small change in sound quality for the amount of money you need to throw into them. That is the same thing as buying a super high-end AV receiver but using VHS (audio file) on an old box crt TVs (headphones). The two biggest factors is audio source file and actual speakers/headphones. Everything else is limited by those two things.

 

That is why the first thing people do who want better sound is simply buy better headphones! Not new computers/sound cards or amps. Think about the sound-cards/amps in portable media players. Definitely not as good as a cutting edge dedicated sound card, but hard-core audiophiles are still can get great sound using them. 


Edited by money4me247 - 2/28/13 at 6:32pm
post #25518 of 29491
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Originally Posted by wonruger View Post

Hi everyone,
I'm looking for recommendations on over ear headphones for use at my home computer.  I listen to a variety of music; rock, pop, dubstep, etc, also do some PC gaming.  I'm looking for some well balanced headphones, but with my budget I'm not going to be too picky....

  I just bought the Superlux 681, and was very unimpressed with them.  By no means do I have a trained ear, but I don't like the sound quality on them.  Main comparison is to my wife's Razer Electra, I feel like those have better sound quality than the 681s.  I have burned the 681s in for about 20 hours, I know this is below the recommended amount of time (still burning them in), but I don't see them improving enough for me to be happy with them.  The only real way I can quantify what I don't like about the 681s is to say they sound "muddy" and there isn't enough bass.  I tried some EQ settings but not a big help...

After trying out the semi-open 681s, I'm now leaning towards closed, but am really just looking for better sound quality and would consider open or closed.

Looking for something <$40.  I was looking at the Monoprice 8323.  Would these be a good option or anything else in my price range I should consider?  Or maybe the JVC HARX700?
No, you don't. Want balanced headphones that is. What you are most likely enjoying more about the electra is the V-shaped or "fun" frequency response. There is nothing inherently bad about liking this sound. You're the one spending the money and you're the one who has to listen to the headphones.
Koss portapros, JVC ha-s400/500, monoprice 8323, grado igrado, panasonic rp-htx7, Panasonic rp-htf600 may all suit your tastes better. Buy from somewhere you can return them
post #25519 of 29491
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I know this site and its followers are not fans of beats by Dre, and I'm not either. But i just acquired pair beats executive for a price i couldn't pass on. I'm asking for any help. The 1/8 stereo connector has been severed. I am attempting to solder a new connector, but the wire has 5 leads and the only connector i can get my hands on is a 3 pole stereo connector. Using that connector can i somehow wire it up so that the headphones work? Also i believe that these particular ones was a working display model. Does anyone have a wiring diagram that i could follow? Anything would help, any suggestions greatly appreciated.


Sorry--headphone repair is OT here.  There may be some other forum sections/threads that address it.  If not, start your own thread.

post #25520 of 29491
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I am not a computer audio guy, so can't help you with that (there's a section of the forum that deals with computer aduio).

The Ohm rating of a can won't tell you the whole story.  You also need to know the sensitivity rating.  Here's some conservative advice by an engineer:

If you’re looking for headphones to use with a portable player or laptop, stick to the range of 16 – 32 ohms with a sensitivity (efficiency) rating of at least 100 dB/mW. There are some higher impedance headphones, up to 80 ohms or so, that are efficient enough to work well with at least some portable gear—especially if you don’t like it very loud. But, in general, the lower the impedance the better the match with battery powered devices.

And how do you calculate the amp needed? I'm tempted by the DT880 Pro 600 ohm but would be hooking them to my iPhone regularly.


Sorry--I don't follow portable amps.  I only have one and it was discontinued a couple months ago.

post #25521 of 29491
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Last summer, I bought my first "real" headphones, the Sony mdr-xb500's.
They're just great, if you listen to the right music. But I constantly find myself listening to something between pop/country and other quite relaxed stuff...
Equal makes them better for that, but ideally I'd like something I don't need to eq. Something clear and with good soundstage. Good isolation would be a plus.
I'd be willing to spend up to 100$/70€.

Btw. How much do you need to spend to get a better sounding headphone than the superlux hd681?biggrin.gif

 

In the U.S. you can start to get into some good (not great) cans for $50 to $70--although some will need or greatly benefit from an amp.

 

Where do you live?  Someone may be familiar with your market.

 

Are you OK with open cans?  Although they leak sound, better sound stages tend to be found in open cans.

 

What will be powering these cans?  Do you use an amp?

 

You currently have basshead cans.  What sound signature are you seeking?

 

Do you need his cans to be portable?

post #25522 of 29491

I've been reading a lot of reviews here and posts on the HFI-580s, and m50s etc. I bought both the M50s and 580s, so far I'm more impressed with the m50s in the bass department, the 580s seem more clear. Sadly after hearing so much they are bass head phones I don't feel the bass that the m50s have in these. I haven't burn them in as much as the m50s but theres about a 13 hour burn on the m50s. I mostly listen to instrumental beats by Nomak muxmool etc, some rock, a little dubstep, dnb, ambient, hip hop n rap, jazz and classical.Wondering if I should just return both cans to amazon and look for something in the 300-350 price range, I want something that has bass suppose like the current m50s but stronger and clearer. Something that can do well across all genres, as far as portable use I don't really care for or comfort. 10ft cord I'll wrap that puppy up in a rubber band or velcro and rock it outside.

post #25523 of 29491
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Originally Posted by jayiszraw View Post

hey guys what's up i'm new here so let me put out a little history. 

i've had ultimate ears 700s which i loved but i felt they lacked in the mid bass bass area

currently have beats solo's but the sq is nowhere near that of the ue 700s

I'm hoping for some help on finding an over ear setup with closed cans that will give me at least the sq of the ue 700 or better, and the bass output of the beats studios and the like. i'm not familiar with brands of headphones but i know sq as i'm big on it with car audio. so any help would be appreciated. and i know this is the wrong forum but if you could also recommend an ear bud setup similar to my requests while being as comfortable as the ue 700 it would be greatly appreciated. i'm hoping to keep it under $150 for each but if its only a few bucks more for that much of a greater product i'd consider shelling out the extra cash. oh yeah and i primarily listen to hip hop, spanish, dubstep and looking for them to be portable.  Thanks

Check out Sol Republic HD. Best Buy has them in our area. On ear though, not over ear.
post #25524 of 29491
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Originally Posted by iReef View Post

I've been reading a lot of reviews here and posts on the HFI-580s, and m50s etc. I bought both the M50s and 580s, so far I'm more impressed with the m50s in the bass department, the 580s seem more clear. Sadly after hearing so much they are bass head phones I don't feel the bass that the m50s have in these. I haven't burn them in as much as the m50s but theres about a 13 hour burn on the m50s. I mostly listen to instrumental beats by Nomak muxmool etc, some rock, a little dubstep, dnb, ambient, hip hop n rap, jazz and classical.Wondering if I should just return both cans to amazon and look for something in the 300-350 price range, I want something that has bass suppose like the current m50s but stronger and clearer. Something that can do well across all genres, as far as portable use I don't really care for or comfort. 10ft cord I'll wrap that puppy up in a rubber band or velcro and rock it outside.

whenever i hear $300 range basshead, I automatically think v-moda m100 lol. it's bassy but can handle other stuff well too. a lot of positive reviews esp for someone looking for a fun signature.

 

if those aren't good enough, then you would want to go into the basshead thread & dig around. vmoda LP2 has more bass, but is not as good overall sound from what I've heard.

post #25525 of 29491
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post

And how do you calculate the amp needed? I'm tempted by the DT880 Pro 600 ohm but would be hooking them to my iPhone regularly.

Why on earth are you looking at a 600 ohm headphone for your iPhone? They do make portable amps, but 600 ohms is a lot. Why aren't you checking out the 32 ohm version of the DT 880? Everything I've read makes is sound like the differences are so incredibly small.
post #25526 of 29491
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whenever i hear $300 range basshead, I automatically think v-moda m100 lol. it's bassy but can handle other stuff well too. a lot of positive reviews esp for someone looking for a fun signature.

 

if those aren't good enough, then you would want to go into the basshead thread & dig around. vmoda LP2 has more bass, but is not as good overall sound from what I've heard.

Not so much looking for "Basshead" but something in between. Going to be looking at some reviews on these now. Thanks for the recommendation, does anyone have any other ones I can check out?

post #25527 of 29491
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Originally Posted by iReef View Post

Not so much looking for "Basshead" but something in between. Going to be looking at some reviews on these now. Thanks for the recommendation, does anyone have any other ones I can check out?

hahah exactly. they are something in-between. LP2 is the true basshead. the over-ear M100 is like if the technical on-ear audiophile M80 had babies w/ the basshead LP2. its classified as modern audiophile: a fun u-shaped sound signature that is very great w/ electronic/house, hip hop, and other stuff that has a good bassline, but can do other things well because the bass is not overpowering or muddy. its a tight accurate bass that doesn't bleed anywhere, so the mids/trebles are still well-defined. i legit just read someone describe it as a better M50, but i would take everyone's opinions w/ a grain of salt & demo yourself. the reason i think the M100 is a good place to start is b/c it is pretty highly rated w/ a solid bass punch. if that's too much bass for you, then you can rule out a lot of things.

 

sorry i used the basshead term a bit too loosely, but if you want more bass than the M50s, I believe the M50s are already a lil bit U-shaped with slight bass emphasis & recessed mids from what I've read & the ultrasone 580 is kinda bassheady too imo. so i feel like if you want more bass after those two headphones, you would want a top of the class basshead that does bass very well without being overwhelming, which I think M100s.

 

lol i actually used to almost look down my nose at "basshead" classification, but after listening to the m100, i really loved how a tight bass can really make you wanna jump around. i personally found it really cool how you could hear the details in the lower frequencies that I've not heard before. dunno how to describe audiophilically, but I would highly recommend you to try it as there is a really generous return policy of 60 days.

 

At $300-350, Sennheiser Momentum & Sony MDR-1r are both solid more mid-centric options with solid bass for closed cans compared to the AKG K550 which is weak in the bass but really shines in treble. some other options are beyerdynamic DT 990, Mr Speakers Mad Dogs, Ultrasone HFI 900... but the list really goes on & on especially since you don't need portability & i don't think you said you only wanted closed. if you go open, there is the the AKG Q701 or Sennheiser HD598 which are highly recommended.


Edited by money4me247 - 2/28/13 at 9:55pm
post #25528 of 29491
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

Why on earth are you looking at a 600 ohm headphone for your iPhone? They do make portable amps, but 600 ohms is a lot. Why aren't you checking out the 32 ohm version of the DT 880? Everything I've read makes is sound like the differences are so incredibly small.

Exactly! My point is I don't know where the boundaries lie or even the potential consequences. I know I've seen more blown speakers from under powering than over powering. Does the same hold true for headphones? Actually, the part about hooking up the Beyers to the iPhone is kind of moot now. My routine had been to read in the living away from my office and stereo with music playing from my phone. Now there is a Logitech Squeezebox in the living room which replaces the iPhone but for all I know it might have even less oomph than the iPhone. I know that both iPhone and Squeezebox drive my AT ESW9 adequately but I don't know the boundaries from there on. I used the Beyers because I think the are probably at the extreme for power consumption for anything I've considered to date but I don't even know that for sure.
post #25529 of 29491
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Check out Sol Republic HD. Best Buy has them in our area. On ear though, not over ear.

checked the brand out, do you have any thoughts on the master tracks which are over ear?

post #25530 of 29491
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checked the brand out, do you have any thoughts on the master tracks which are over ear?

Haven't heard them. Sorry.
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