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tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 5:19 AM

levanter said:
I think white-collar workers would love the ambient port option as it'll allow them to hear their boss calling them
In a way, if you're still a student this will be a worthwhile "investment" for your future jobs lol

Unfortunately as a video editor, that doesn't apply to me- people tend to wait for me to finish listening before asking a question haha

Malevolent · Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 AM

tmorterlaing said:
It's sounding more and more like the V6S has a closer sig to the K10s then - more clarity in general and brighter than the V8, but still with good bass. In which case, I might be tempted to drop 2 drivers and go for the U6 instead of the U8 - or is dropping two drivers just crazy talk? Let us know how you find the V6S vs the V8 when you audition them - I don't want to have to bother with EQ-ing stuff, always worries me when I have to do that, feels like I must be corrupting the sound somehow.

I've auditioned the V6S and V8 today, and although it was a brief comparison, I was actually more impressed with the V6S. I agree that it is more akin to the K10 than the V8 in overall sound signature.

The immediate difference between the 2 is the quantity of bass present on the V8. Bass is strong, slightly thick, but has good texture. The V8 is warmer in sound, and is very good with bass heavy dance tracks.

On the other hand, the V6S has less bass presence but sounds more detailed. Treble and bass presentations were equally clear and midrange was lush. Vocals sounded better on the V6S.

I'd say a nice analogy between the 2 would be the JH16 and the JH13. If you're looking for a sound signature similar to the K10, the V6S definitely fits the bill amongst the entire range of V-series IEMs.

tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 6:17 AM

malevolent said:
I've auditioned the V6S and V8 today, and although it was a brief comparison, I was actually more impressed with the V6S. I agree that it is more akin to the K10 than the V8 in overall sound signature.

The immediate difference between the 2 is the quantity of bass present on the V8. Bass is strong, slightly thick, but has good texture. The V8 is warmer in sound, and is very good with bass heavy dance tracks.

On the other hand, the V6S has less bass presence but sounds more detailed. Treble and bass presentations were equally clear and midrange was lush. Vocals sounded better on the V6S.

I'd say a nice analogy between the 2 would be the JH16 and the JH13. If you're looking for a sound signature similar to the K10, the V6S definitely fits the bill amongst the entire range of V-series IEMs.

Thanks

Would you say the V6S Still has 'enough' bass though? I gather it still has a more than neutral bass- similar to the SM64s, as mentioned earlier in this thread (by ericr I believe). Which incidentally is another reason I might swap the way of the U6 - it's sounding more and more like the U8 might by overpowering.

starfly · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05 AM

tmorterlaing said:
Thanks Would you say the V6S Still has 'enough' bass though? I gather it still has a more than neutral bass- similar to the SM64s, as mentioned earlier in this thread (by ericr I believe). Which incidentally is another reason I might swap the way of the U6 - it's sounding more and more like the U8 might by overpowering.

The V6S has plenty of bass when a track calls for it. Especially in the sub-bass region which is slightly emphasized. The mid-bass is neutral. Unless you only listen to EDM, I think the U8 will be overkill in terms of bass and you might end up disliking it in the long-run. The V6S/U6 is more versatile and will work with any genre, including EDM. It's overall neutral with slightly emphasized sub-bass and mids. Mid-bass and treble are flat(ish).

And don't worry about # of drivers. That's irrelevant. How it sounds is what matters most. An IEM could have 20 drivers for all I care, but if the 6 driver one sounds better to me, than that's the one I'll go for.

Malevolent · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM

tmorterlaing said:
Thanks Would you say the V6S Still has 'enough' bass though? I gather it still has a more than neutral bass- similar to the SM64s, as mentioned earlier in this thread (by ericr I believe). Which incidentally is another reason I might swap the way of the U6 - it's sounding more and more like the U8 might by overpowering.

Yeah, the V6-Stage has enough bass to be usable for most genres. Even EDM sounds decent enough with the V6S, with good bass extension, punchy lows, and clear, detailed highs. Although I would prefer the V8 solely for dance music with heavy bass lines (Hardstyle, Hard Trance), the V6S is my preferred choice for the other genres I tested (Pop, Classic Rock, Eurodance, Classical).

tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM

starfly said:
The V6S has plenty of bass when a track calls for it. Especially in the sub-bass region which is slightly emphasized. The mid-bass is neutral. Unless you only listen to EDM, I think the U8 will be overkill in terms of bass and you might end up disliking it in the long-run. The V6S/U6 is more versatile and will work with any genre, including EDM. It's overall neutral with slightly emphasized sub-bass and mids. Mid-bass and treble are flat(ish).

And don't worry about # of drivers. That's irrelevant. How it sounds is what matters most. An IEM could have 20 drivers for all I care, but if the 6 driver one sounds better to me, than that's the one I'll go for.

malevolent said:
Yeah, the V6-Stage has enough bass to be usable for most genres. Even EDM sounds decent enough with the V6S, with good bass extension, punchy lows, and clear, detailed highs. Although I would prefer the V8 solely for dance music with heavy bass lines (Hardstyle, Hard Trance), the V6S is my preferred choice for the other genres I tested (Pop, Classic Rock, Eurodance, Classical).

"Most genres"? Does that mean theyre going to sound horribly lacking with other genres?

Sorry to be picky haha

Based on these, as well as the crudloads of asking I did up to this point, I think I'm 'downgrading' from the U8 to the U6 - it sounds like it has plenty of bass - as I mentioned someone said its comparable in amounts to the SM64 but is better in quality, so I'm happy with that, and I think I prefer the idea of more clarity over more bass. Now I just have to hope I don't get it and it sounds 'tinny'....
Any more testimonies for V6S bass being plentiful and good quality would still be much appreciated though, even if for reassurance sake

The curse of buying in the dark...

EDIT - the curse of it is that I do actually listen to quite a bit of EDM, but also quite a lot of other genres as well haha! So I'm hoping the V6S won't disappoint with the EDM

Levanter · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:40 AM

tmorterlaing said:
"Most genres"? Does that mean theyre going to sound horribly lacking with other genres? Sorry to be picky haha

Based on these, as well as the crudloads of asking I did up to this point, I think I'm 'downgrading' from the U8 to the U6 - it sounds like it has plenty of bass - as I mentioned someone said its comparable in amounts to the SM64 but is better in quality, so I'm happy with that, and I think I prefer the idea of more clarity over more bass. Now I just have to hope I don't get it and it sounds 'tinny'....
Any more testimonies for V6S bass being plentiful and good quality would still be much appreciated though, even if for reassurance sake The curse of buying in the dark...

EDIT - the curse of it is that I do actually listen to quite a bit of EDM, but also quite a lot of other genres as well haha! So I'm hoping the V6S won't disappoint with the EDM

I don't really consider that downgrading.. more like an adjustment to suit your signature

While V6S has the bass required for EDM, for me it lacks a bit of PRaT. But it might be enough for you

starfly · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM

levanter said:
I don't really consider that downgrading.. more like an adjustment to suit your signature

While V6S has the bass required for EDM, for me it lacks a bit of PRaT. But it might be enough for you

Yep, and that's why I ended up going for the JH13, which does have the PRaT

tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 10:55 AM

starfly said:
Yep, and that's why I ended up going for the JH13, which does have the PRaT

Aw no

Don't make me feel bad, I can't afford that much, and now I'm gonna have an iem with less PRaT! Maybe I should go for the U8 after all.... *brain explodes*

Talai · Nov 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM

tmorterlaing said:
Aw no Don't make me feel bad, I can't afford that much, and now I'm gonna have an iem with less PRaT! Maybe I should go for the U8 after all.... *brain explodes*

Just so you know, my brain is exploding as well... I'm a basshead, but I also listen to genres that could benefit from added clarity (like instrumental), so I'm at a loss when it comes to deciding between the U8 and the U6...

Levanter · Nov 18, 2014 at 11:04 AM

starfly said:
Yep, and that's why I ended up going for the JH13, which does have the PRaT

Lol and I have to send mine back for a refit as my left side is abit too big :frowning2:

tmorterlaing said:
Aw no Don't make me feel bad, I can't afford that much, and now I'm gonna have an iem with less PRaT! Maybe I should go for the U8 after all.... *brain explodes*

The V6 has better PRaT but less bass than the V6S

But seriously they both sound great for the price. You won't regret either one of them.

starfly · Nov 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM

tmorterlaing said:
Aw no Don't make me feel bad, I can't afford that much, and now I'm gonna have an iem with less PRaT! Maybe I should go for the U8 after all.... *brain explodes*

Well, according to @ljokerl, the JH13 and V6S are very close in sound signature. The JH13 has a slight edge in clarity and slightly more bass emphasis (again these are minor differences but you can hear it on a close listen), but you also have to pay $400 more, and in the case of the U6, $600 more. Is it worth that price difference to you? In terms of bang for your buck, the V6S is definitely the way to go. I could afford it so I just went for the best I could have in my budget. JH13 might also be slightly more analytical, but I kinda like that. V6S is slightly smoother.

tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM

ericr said:
To my ears the V6-Stage has a bit more quantity of bass than the SM64. The sub-bass extends noticably lower and the bass is tighter/faster, with better detail. The bass of the SM64 has a longer decay, so if a track has a lot of rapid bass notes (i.e., from multiple instruments) the SM64 can leave the impression of having more bass than the V6-Stage. Mids of the V6-Stage are more forward and the highs have more sparkle and extend further, all in a way that goes really well with the bass to give the "balanced and neutral sound". The V6-Stage presents better detail and placement across the entire spectrum. When listening to well recorded live music it's like you're right there!

The V6-Stage has more bass (quantity, quality and detail) than the SM64, and the V8 has MUCH more bass (quantity) than the V6-Stage (but not MUCH MUCH more). <--- hope that is helpful

Note: My V6-Stage are universal and I use the Project Ember amp which drives multi-driver IEMs really well.

ericr said:
No, to my ears the bass on the V8 was emphasized to the point of being detracting on about half of my favorite tracks. I wouldn't be happy with that, and would pick the SM64s more balanced signature.

I'm VERY happy with my move from the SM64 to the V6-Stage. If it wasn't for the ADEL and an issue with my right ear I probably would just stand pat with the Stage. The summer I got to demo the K10 for 4 days and as excellent as it was, it wasn't enough more so than the Stage to make unsatisfied with what I already owned.

Despite this contradicting Joker's review somewhat, I'm going to go with this opinion as I know you especially did an A/B compare- thanks again for this. I just hope that you're right *cheeky grin* and I don't end up with an iem with •worse• bass.

ivabign said:
If it is anything like the V6S (and it is supposed to be exactly that) you won't be disappointed.

Are you still happy withe your V6S? And would you weight in saying theyre 'good enough' in the bass dept for the most part?

talai said:
Just so you know, my brain is exploding as well... I'm a basshead, but I also listen to genres that could benefit from added clarity (like instrumental), so I'm at a loss when it comes to deciding between the U8 and the U6...

I've posted the above in case you missed them to maybe help you decide - although Ivabign and ericr would probably disagree on which is the 'better' iem haha, so maybe I'm making it worse for you. Let us know which one you're going for in the end, and also why!

levanter said:
The V6 has better PRaT but less bass than the V6S

But seriously they both sound great for the price. You won't regret either one of them.

Unfrotunately the U6 is like the V6S- the V6 isn't really an option at the moment (every coin matter at the mo!)
Thanks for the reassurance though, need as much as i can get with such a blind decision. I mean, I know everyone's in thedark re the RealLoud and Adel tech, but at least you guys are able to listen to the V6S and V8 - I can't even do that!

Malevolent · Nov 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

tmorterlaing said:
Aw no Don't make me feel bad, I can't afford that much, and now I'm gonna have an iem with less PRaT! Maybe I should go for the U8 after all.... *brain explodes*

As I'm a huge EDM fan myself, I found the V6-Stage sufficient for most tracks. There is some sub-bass rumble, and mid-bass quantity is adequate to provide a punchy, fun sound for general EDM tunes.

However, if you must have an inherent bassy pulse, then the V8 is more satisfying. I tested the V8 (and the V6S) with various EDM tracks from a few genres, including Hard Trance, Hard Style, Gabber and Eurodance. The well-textured bass presentation, and a boost in the mid-bass region helped to ensure an engaging, head-bopping sound. For most dance music fans, I guess the true litmus test of a ear/headphone's performance is its ability to get your head moving.

In this regard, I found the V8 more capable than the V6S in depicting the sheer magnificence of a powerful, euphoric EDM track.

For all other genres, I actually preferred the V6S. Classic Eurodance with a lot of vocals, including tracks from Ice MC and Masterboy, sounded better to my ears. These dance tracks were less bass-dependent, and had equal, if not more focus on the vocal reproduction and treble presentation (sparkle, detail, extension).

I guess I'm not really helping by keeping you on the fence, but as a fellow EDM fan, I should advise you on the fundamental difference(s) between the 2. To be honest, if you're going to be listening to EDM tracks most of the time, I don't think you can go wrong with a U8, but if you seek better clarity and an IEM that's more suited for a wider range of music genres, than the V6S (U6) is a better choice.

tmorterlaing · Nov 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM

malevolent said:
As I'm a huge EDM fan myself, I found the V6-Stage sufficient for most tracks. There is some sub-bass rumble, and mid-bass quantity is adequate to provide a punchy, fun sound for general EDM tunes.

However, if you must have an inherent bassy pulse, then the V8 is more satisfying. I tested the V8 (and the V6S) with various EDM tracks from a few genres, including Hard Trance, Hard Style, Gabber and Eurodance. The well-textured bass presentation, and a boost in the mid-bass region helped to ensure an engaging, head-bopping sound. For most dance music fans, I guess the true litmus test of a ear/headphone's performance is its ability to get your head moving.

In this regard, I found the V8 more capable than the V6S in depicting the sheer magnificence of a powerful, euphoric EDM track.

For all other genres, I actually preferred the V6S. Classic Eurodance with a lot of vocals, including tracks from Ice MC and Masterboy, sounded better to my ears. These dance tracks were less bass-dependent, and had equal, if not more focus on the vocal reproduction and treble presentation (sparkle, detail, extension).

I guess I'm not really helping by keeping you on the fence, but as a fellow EDM fan, I should advise you on the fundamental difference(s) between the 2. To be honest, if you're going to be listening to EDM tracks most of the time, I don't think you can go wrong with a U8, but if you seek better clarity and an IEM that's more suited for a wider range of music genres, than the V6S (U6) is a better choice.

Haha, the fence is indeed mildly unhelpful

OK I'll ask another way; how much clarity and detail loss and did you find on the V8 compared to the V6S? Is the V8 ALMOST just a heavier based V6? Or is it leaps and bounds different?
And would the V8 still represent other genres of music very well for you? I really am looking for a rounded iem, and although the V6S sounds good, I do listen to a LOT of other music, things like Gorillaz and quite a bit of DJ Shadow, for example. Also can't remember if I've asked you (I'm throwing this at everyone sorry) - have you ever heard the SM64s? Because theyre amount of bass is just about good enough for me, although I wouldnt want less in quantity.

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