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post #16 of 38

has anyone tried wearing these with glasses?

post #17 of 38

For me, the MS 400 do pinch a little bit on glasses. The MS 300 and PS 500 do not.

post #18 of 38

I was playing around with the ms400 and I realized there are 5 holes on the back of the drivers. So I put tape over them and tamed the bass quite a bit, pretty much lost all boom. Now I have tape covering 3 holes and absolutely loving these cans. I've always felt the ms400's bass was waaaay too boomy which almost made me sell them a couple of times but I couldn't because it was just too darn sexy. Kind of like dating a smokin girl with the personality of a grapefruit, too bad you can't just tape up her personality.

post #19 of 38

 

Nice. I've never actually played around with opening them up before.depends where you use the tape...

post #20 of 38

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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

Updated - Oct. 11th 2010

 

I recently took this set on a long drive out of town and came back with some thoughts and updates. 

 

In terms of clarity, when comparing to other sets of equal value in portable sets of similar design, I must say the ms400 could very well come out on top.  Outside of the ATH esw9, Ive never used a more clear set.  Some sets come close, most cant match it.  The stage is very upsetting, its the typical "space man astronauts visor" feel I get from grado.  In fact, its safe to say they are closed back grado with good bass. Presentation is eerily similar to the 225i but a little further back in terms of forwardness.  Highs are also not as shrilling as the 225i, but are still among the highest and most piercing at times that ive come across for this budget range.  They've become punchy after i hit the 150 hour mark, this is great and i am very happy with it.  Santana, Tito Nieves and my fusion rock guitar sounds very engaging.  

 

The bass only changed with the swapping of earpads from stock to the Sennheiser HD 485.  Outside of that, i've nothing else new to report on it.  Its still thick sounding and not punchy, rumbling and shaking still happens if the EQ is set too high on the bass, noticeably toned down and aired out with the Hd485 pads though.

 

The stage has not changed either, really the only thing that changed a little was the clarity and punch factor of the highs.  My Message to Phiaton, I hope one of their employees reads this that can get a message to someone in charge.  

 

Change the MS400 only slightly, work on getting a nicer more enveloping stage. If you can do that and change absolutely nothing else about them, I would never buy another set again.  You hit the mark with the ms400, just missing the bullseye.  You can so very close to the best overall value I could ever find in a portable set.  Change almost nothing but the stage and you would make me immensely happy.  The only other gripe I have is that the clamp factor is about 5% too much, that means just change the angle a smidgen.  Its just enough to bother me, a small angle fix would drastically increase their already immense comfort factor.  Call it the Ms400-ii 

 

or maybe the MS400 Cheater Signature Model :P



 

Noted! Awesome post by the way. I really enjoyed reading it. I think you'll be impressed with the products we produce in the future. We really do pay attention to feedback like this and take it into consideration.

 

P.S.

 

Glad the date went well!

 

 

Akio

Phiaton

post #21 of 38

Haha, let's just leave it at that before this thread gets locked down like that "headphones being worn" pic thread.

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

 

depends where you use the tape...



 

post #22 of 38

I just recently gave my M50's to my sister and am now looking at a pair which is more portable and right now I'm thinking of either the MS400 or the 300, It seems as if the 400 would suit me better but the price difference is almost 100$! :( What I want to know is, is the extra 100 over the ms300 worth it or would i be happy with the ms300? Thanks!

post #23 of 38

hey! i also wanted to know whether the MS400 would clamp a lil too hard for me as i wear glasses too...

 

right now i own the ESW9 , so is it possible to have any comparison to it in this aspect?

post #24 of 38
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Originally Posted by matto View Post

I just recently gave my M50's to my sister and am now looking at a pair which is more portable and right now I'm thinking of either the MS400 or the 300, It seems as if the 400 would suit me better but the price difference is almost 100$! :( What I want to know is, is the extra 100 over the ms300 worth it or would i be happy with the ms300? Thanks!



The MS300 is far more portable, the MS400 has big bass. Those two criteria should be able to sway you one way or the other. Check my profile for a comparative review of the 300/400/500.


 

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Originally Posted by Premonition View Post

hey! i also wanted to know whether the MS400 would clamp a lil too hard for me as i wear glasses too...

 

right now i own the ESW9 , so is it possible to have any comparison to it in this aspect?


 

The MS400 definitely clamps harder than the ESW9, and in terms of sound quality I would say they are on the same level with each other (though with different signatures obviously).

post #25 of 38

hmm so is the MS300 like "lifeless"? because well I'd like to get the Ms300's just because they're half the price but if they're really flat/analytical sounding then I guess I'd have to go for the K450 or something.

post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by matto View Post

I just recently gave my M50's to my sister and am now looking at a pair which is more portable and right now I'm thinking of either the MS400 or the 300, It seems as if the 400 would suit me better but the price difference is almost 100$! :( What I want to know is, is the extra 100 over the ms300 worth it or would i be happy with the ms300? Thanks!



The MS300 is far more portable, the MS400 has big bass. Those two criteria should be able to sway you one way or the other. Check my profile for a comparative review of the 300/400/500.


 

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Originally Posted by Premonition View Post

hey! i also wanted to know whether the MS400 would clamp a lil too hard for me as i wear glasses too...

 

right now i own the ESW9 , so is it possible to have any comparison to it in this aspect?


 

The MS400 definitely clamps harder than the ESW9, and in terms of sound quality I would say they are on the same level with each other (though with different signatures obviously).



ok.... then does the MS300 clamp softer than the ESW9?

man it sucks when i cant audition it anywhere in singapore :(

post #27 of 38

It's been a while since I've owned the ESW9, but it had a very light touch from what I recall. Probably lighter than (or very close to) the MS300.

post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by matto View Post

hmm so is the MS300 like "lifeless"? because well I'd like to get the Ms300's just because they're half the price but if they're really flat/analytical sounding then I guess I'd have to go for the K450 or something.



They have a neutral frequency response relative to the other Phiatons, but I would hardly call them lifeless. The MS300 sounds quite lively and energetic to my ear.

post #29 of 38

Okay, my husband got me a pair of the MS400s for my birthday, and I was thinking of doing the foam mod. However, I've never poked around inside earcups before. I watched the video of the HD555 foam mod because I can't seem to find anything for the MS400.

 

Do you folks still recommend doing the foam mod on the MS400s? If so, is it similar to what you find in the HD555? (I'm fairly confident when it comes to working with small electronics, I just haven't messed with headphones before.)

 

(Also, the MS400s are one of the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn.)

post #30 of 38
Thread Starter 

Nah, you definitely don't need to do that foam mod that I tried.  The sound opens up just a little bit, the overall change is so minor it took my days to spot it.  However, I recommend the cotton mod for the earpads.  Just a cotton ball stretched out and tucked under the rim of the earpads makes a world of difference in comfort and a good bass quality increase.

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