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MDR-Z1000 new Sony flagship headphones
Jan 9, 2013 at 7:58 AM Post #1,531 of 1,638
thick mid? i didnt have that impression, one thing i want to say is i used to find the z1000 fatiguing but not anymore since i changed my dap. used to have ipod classic 7gen+fiio e17, now i have ibasso dx100. the mid sounds really clear to me and the bass when called for was deep, i dont know about impact as im moving from my beyerdynamic dt990. the treble is 1 part i really like about my z1000, its crystal clear and really has nice extension. and for comfort, now i feel like its more comfortable, i dont know if its the pads breaking in or me just finding a better fit from adjusting the headband. as much as i like my z1000, its now being put back into the nice case that it comes in and im moving to ciem now because i do most of my listening during commute which the z1000 doesnt even begin to give me the noise isolation i want. 
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM Post #1,532 of 1,638
I'd rather describe the mids as 'weighty' instead of 'thick' as they have just enough air and detail retrieval for my taste. But I'm also used to the hole mod. But they do sound a slightly bit darker than what I'd take as reference. However, so do the highs and bass, too, so the overall presentation feels well rounded and cohesive, depending on the recording and genre.
 
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reddragon said:
im moving to ciem now because i do most of my listening during commute which the z1000 doesnt even begin to give me the noise isolation i want. 
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Surely no headphone can compete with the isolation of CIEMs, but the Z1000 isolates incredibly well, IMO. Almost scary how well it does for an over ear.
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM Post #1,533 of 1,638
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ultrazino said:
I'd rather describe the mids as 'weighty' instead of 'thick' as they have just enough air and detail retrieval for my taste. But I'm also used to the hole mod. But they do sound a slightly bit darker than what I'd take as reference. However, so do the highs and bass, too, so the overall presentation feels well rounded and cohesive, depending on the recording and genre.
 
 
Surely no headphone can compete with the isolation of CIEMs, but the Z1000 isolates incredibly well, IMO. Almost scary how well it does for an over ear.
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not to derail the thread but maybe bart and my school shuttle are just really noisy because my trifi 10 also doesnt provide enough noise isolation. well, i can never get a good fit to begin with... i used to have a pair of etymotic research hf5, the noise isolation was really great. im worried that even if i get a ciem, the noise isolation wont be as good as the hf5. i need like ~40db noise isolation i think...
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 9:42 AM Post #1,535 of 1,638
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You know, I really loved my Z1000.
 
But I agree with you on this part a little bit.  I wasn't sure if it was just because I was used to the super-fast SP-1, but those thick mids came at a price.  That being said, I really liked the Z1000 for its strengths.
 
I'd personally give it a little more time... at least with me the sound really grew on me and ergonomically it is a sweet headphone
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It is definitely a sweet looking can . I really love its minimalistic looks and solid built. That is the reason why i still wanna do a couple test and try to love it more 
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Have you tried covering the bass hole? I remember that this used to be a *must* for the Z1000 and I don't even remember how the Sony sounded prior to the super easy reversible mod. The bass is less flabby and appears to reach deeper and the overall sound does not sound as thick. Makes sense, I guess. Definitely worth a try.
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Ah..that is something new to me. I've never heard about it before. Btw...which do you mean a bass hole? I saw your picture the cup with driver inside..do mean like covering with some sort of fabric on the driver's frame?
 
 
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Weird, I've never thought of the Z1000 as thick. And also never heard of this "bass hole" mod. A ny info?
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maybe grado's sound has poisoned me that far...that's why i mentioned the thick mids 
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Jan 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM Post #1,536 of 1,638
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I've never opened mine up so I have no idea what I'm looking at here. What am I looking at here?
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I was too lazy to power up an image editing program so I centered the hole in both pictures. Please note, the foam is default material!
 
At the top, there are two large grill like openings with white foam underneath. Below the smaller grill is a small 2/3 hole which is covered in my picture with a black sticker. I got my pair with the mod already performed after I auditioned the unmodded Sony a while back. I have to admit that my seller did a really sweet job and it looks like out of a factory, lol.
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM Post #1,539 of 1,638
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 *sigh* you guys are another part that keeps me from even opening my package besides the fact that the ODA isn't released.

A lot of people have been saying it sounds hall-ish. Would that be a narrow hall, or a musical hall? B/c a concert hall is pretty grand in term of acoustics... 

As for it being neutral: could a headphone w/ emphasized mids be considered neutral? I thought neutral always meant flatter >_>
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 7:09 PM Post #1,540 of 1,638
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mrviolin said:
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 *sigh* you guys are another part that keeps me from even opening my package besides the fact that the ODA isn't released.

A lot of people have been saying it sounds hall-ish. Would that be a narrow hall, or a musical hall? B/c a concert hall is pretty grand in term of acoustics... 

As for it being neutral: could a headphone w/ emphasized mids be considered neutral? I thought neutral always meant flatter >_>
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emphasized on mid, will be like a n curve sound sig right (consider the bass and the treble is about equal amount of emphasis)?
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM Post #1,541 of 1,638
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mrviolin said:
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 *sigh* you guys are another part that keeps me from even opening my package besides the fact that the ODA isn't released.

A lot of people have been saying it sounds hall-ish. Would that be a narrow hall, or a musical hall? B/c a concert hall is pretty grand in term of acoustics... 

As for it being neutral: could a headphone w/ emphasized mids be considered neutral? I thought neutral always meant flatter >_>
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I did not consider the headphone neutral.  The mids are forward... but from what I remember the spectrum that is a bit forward is presented in a fairly balanced manner.  That isn't to speak for the ENTIRE frequency spectrum, just the forward mids.  They might be close to neutral in warm/cold terms.  In bright/dark terms, I'd say they are just a notch or two on the dark side of neutral.  (Neutral carries difference meanings and isn't really a helpful term unless put into context)
 
Personally I look for forward mids in a headphone.
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM Post #1,542 of 1,638
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mrviolin said:
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 *sigh* you guys are another part that keeps me from even opening my package besides the fact that the ODA isn't released.

A lot of people have been saying it sounds hall-ish. Would that be a narrow hall, or a musical hall? B/c a concert hall is pretty grand in term of acoustics... 

As for it being neutral: could a headphone w/ emphasized mids be considered neutral? I thought neutral always meant flatter >_>
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I said "hall-ish" but meaning that the presentation is so that the vocals are upfront with everything else standing behind it a lot. The "hall" doesn't mean soundstage when I describe it like that, the soundstage is fine.
 
Jan 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM Post #1,543 of 1,638
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r-audiohead said:
I did not consider the headphone neutral.  The mids are forward... but from what I remember the spectrum that is a bit forward is presented in a fairly balanced manner.  That isn't to speak for the ENTIRE frequency spectrum, just the forward mids.  They might be close to neutral in warm/cold terms.  In bright/dark terms, I'd say they are just a notch or two on the dark side of neutral.  (Neutral carries difference meanings and isn't really a helpful term unless put into context)
 
Personally I look for forward mids in a headphone.
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Thanks audiohead!
 
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I said "hall-ish" but meaning that the presentation is so that the vocals are upfront with everything else standing behind it a lot. The "hall" doesn't mean soundstage when I describe it like that, the soundstage is fine.
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Ah, thanks penguin 
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 maybe the vocals were actually up in front IRL/ or because of being mastered? I never knew that phones could do such things if that isn't the case lol
 
 
reddragon said:
 
emphasized on mid, will be like a n curve sound sig right (consider the bass and the treble is about equal amount of emphasis)?
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thanks dragon!
 
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