HD600 or DT880/600 Ohm or ? for Little Dot MKIII
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM Post #16 of 35


 
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i can't totally disagree, chinesekiwi. 
and i respect yours and apatN's opinions a lot...
 
but, i can't ignore my personal experience here...
 
while the 600 ohmers may have more potential, the 250 ohm cans presented a more tasteful and balanced version of the music, to my ears.
 
while i can appreciate the improvements to imaging and clarity, i was just really taken back by the increase in treble response from the 600 ohmers.
 
that, to my ears, makes the 250 ohmers the more balanced cans.  they might not have the ultimate potential that the 600 ohmers do, but at least they never made me wince.
 
now....  sorry to have derailed the thread.
i'm done. 
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As I was saying to someone yesterday, I wish we all heard things the same way... it would make things a lot easier around here, then it would only be taste and not observational differences. But it's amazing how our ear shapes, bone density, hearing and the brains interpretations of those have us hear things so differently.
 
I agree wtih chinesekiwi.
For me the 250 ohm were unbearably bright. They were shrill and truly hurt. I also found them too thin and had no sonic body.
 
I was skeptical about trying the 600 ohm, but very glad I did as they truly improved on all the above. The bass increased as did the overall weight. The highs were tamed.
 
The HD600 is a great HP. I loved the sound. It is warm and lush and soothing. It was wonderfull with all my SS amplification as it mellowed it out perfectly. The deal breaker for me was in the rolled-off highs. The lack of detail and clarity in the upper end was a no-go. The DT880 / 600 filled in all the gaps missing in the HD600.
 
shane


 
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM Post #17 of 35


Quote:
i can't totally disagree, chinesekiwi. 
and i respect yours and apatN's opinions a lot...
 
but, i can't ignore my personal experience here...
 
while the 600 ohmers may have more potential, the 250 ohm cans presented a more tasteful and balanced version of the music, to my ears.
 
while i can appreciate the improvements to imaging and clarity, i was just really taken back by the increase in treble response from the 600 ohmers.
 
that, to my ears, makes the 250 ohmers the more balanced cans.  they might not have the ultimate potential that the 600 ohmers do, but at least they never made me wince.
 
now....  sorry to have derailed the thread.
i'm done. 
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I have to agree with that but I think it's what me and kiwi describe as politeness. The 03 at least was a very balanced can and like I said ruler flat. Really nothing stood out, hence the politeness. This can get boring after a while and the 600ohm fix this by being faster. The 600 ohmers still have the DT880 sound but in a more aggressive way; they hit harder.


 
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The Beyer DT 880 600 ohms isn't suppose to have a lot treble its suppose to be neutral your amp must be changing its character.

No, every version of the DT880 I have heard has hot treble. I think again due to the 600 ohmers being faster that the treble can be a little too aggressive for some (TheWuss for example; he cured it by dampening the front of the drivers with felt). The DT880 is not a very hard can to drive. It will play wonderfully from a tube amp but also a solid-state.
 
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM Post #18 of 35
Hahaha with Shane's comment included it is indeed very fun to read all the different opinions. Keep in mind though that there are more than one version of the DT880s: Consumer DT880 250, Consumer DT880 600, Consumer DT880 2003, DT880 Pro and that's even without the vintage versions. They all sound slightly different but the 250 ohm vs 600 ohm is by far the most popular discussion here.
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM Post #19 of 35
you know, i have to make one thing clear.
i feel like a tool for not mentioning this earlier.
 
the dt880/250 i owned was the pro model.
i'm not 100% certain what difference that makes.
 
i thought the drivers were the same as the premium 250 ohm.  and i know the headband clamps harder...
 
anyway.  i do want to reiterate that i love my dt880/600 since installing the felt...
 
(thanks again, apatN!!!!)
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM Post #20 of 35
So, one person says the 250 ohm version has increased highs over the 600 ohm version, and others say vice versa.  I can see why a person needs to do average of multiple opinions and not put too much weight on one review.  Will my tube amp tame off some of the brittle highs of the DT880/600 ohm?  The general consensus, on average seems to say the HD600's are great, but the DT880/600 seems to be much more exciting and improve on some of the HD600's lacking areas.  I like that I'm slowly being swayed to the lesser $ of the options.  I can definitely see why people eventually own two or more expensive pairs of phones to suit the particular music genre they are listening to.  The HD595 that I listened to did have some beautiful lush tones to them.  But, I did not try out any metal.  Basically I want to hear my Killswitch Engage with some serious slam!
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:33 PM Post #21 of 35
well.  let me reiterate that the dt880/600 is an awesome headphone.
the fact that i could mod the headphone by adding some felt, and get the sound i really was after, that is just amazing.
 
i'm not sure how much amplification is going to change the treble.  and, to be honest, you may hear the cans and they're exactly what you're looking for. 
that is the nature and wonder of this hobby.
 
you simply can't go wrong with them.
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM Post #22 of 35
FWIW I was very disappointed with the 595s. When I got the DT880s (03) I was like: this is what I was expecting from my 595s. I even sold the 595s in favor of the MS-1s. I think that the "increased highs" have more to do with the DT880 being more aggressive. Also keep in mind that a lot of people upgraded to the 600 ohmers but from different types of DT880. I went from the 03 to the 600s and TheWuss got the 600s after owning the Pro model. All impressions thrown together however I think everyone likes their 600 ohm monsters better.
 
I never heard a DT880 Pro but the difference with the Consumer line lies not in the drivers - which are exactly the same - but in the headband. The headband on the Pro clamps harder and is aimed at studio use where a tight seal is better for mixing all according to Beyerdynamic. The Consumer line doesn't have this tight clamping and is therefore more suitably for a relaxed and easy listening session. I think I also read that, again according to Beyer, the Consumer is slightly more lush sounding because of that.
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 12:46 PM Post #23 of 35
yeah, the distance from the ear to the driver, and the amount of isolation.  those may play a big role in the sound sig. of the pro model.
 
anyways, i had the hd595 and 32 ohm dt880 at the same time, and did tons of listening to them both.
 
ultimately i sold the hd595, and upgraded to the pro model dt880.
they were just clearly the better headphone.  even the 32 ohm model was just more revealing, and more involving.
 
 
Jun 8, 2010 at 10:16 PM Post #25 of 35
^^ I got mine from Amazon. I think B&H has them as well.
shane
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 6:46 AM Post #26 of 35
Today I have just received my 880's/600 and for the moment it's hooked up to my xtreme audio and onwards to the little dot mk3 I bought a few days back from appleheadmay. Before I was using some 5 year old 150$ koss headphones and although it has to break in I really do have to say, hallelujah what an improvement already.
 
The only real shame in it is that most of music collection was ripped quite some time back. I just gave Nightwish in 192mp3 a try, my god it sounded horrible compared to a 320 and even those now have some obvious flaws in certain songs. For some reason CCR seems to be the worst case, but the rest sounds fine so I guess that'll just have to be redone. In my high quality songs metal and rock seem to agree very well with my current setup, everything has never sounded so clear. Iron maiden is one of my favorite bands and you either like the Blaze Bailey cd's or not, but the smoother sound really advances his voice lightyears ahead. Man on the edge is now my new favourite song!
 
For another example, with my koss hp I could hear that cymbal in the background in maid of new orleans/omd but now it really does stand out in clarity, amazing. It's pretty much the same for nights in white satin, pretty sure it's the special extended edition version. All those instruments at the end now sound hlike they should, I don't think I've ever enjoyed that song this much.
 
Enough ranting for now, I'll give some more highly subjective opinions as the break in passes
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Jun 11, 2010 at 7:14 AM Post #27 of 35
Good to hear that you like them! You made a good choice in my opinion.
 
I think the clarity of the Beyers is really something. They do drums oh so well.
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Jun 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM Post #29 of 35
Ah... the real problem with the Beyers:
They will show you just how awful compression algorythms are. They'll also show you (for better or worse) what your rig really sounds like. 
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shane
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM Post #30 of 35
Half a day further the beyers have been doing their work burning in, so here is another mini review for the time being and yes I'm an addict already. For the last few hours I've steadily been expanding the list of listened to genres. Lets start with a "youthy" one. First of all we're going for techno/drum & bass or whatever you want to call it. I can understand why some people claim that there's a lack of bass. Compared to the koss hp laying around here which is a closed type, the bass is indeed less pronounced. Whether that's a bad thing, I don't really know.
 
I'm 22, a student and also in a frat club. Obviously I go out a lot, probably more than is good for me. At the other hand I know the music very well, if you go clubbing regularly you'll notice that most songs these days seem to have the very same bass, or at least that's how it sounds to me. If you're like me and are used to an overly pronounced bass on a regular basis, then this setup will require some getting used to. The plus side is that now there's a clear difference in the different basses. This also goes for very alike sounding songs by the same artist, albeit that the difference isn't as big but when they have a hit they'll probably don't want to drift too far away. But to the point, I myself quite like the natural sound so I'm very happy I made the choice to get these, if an extreme bass is wanted the EQ is just a mouseclick away anyway.
 
Onwards to another genre. The reason I'm into rock/metal is because my dad was a CCR/pink floyd kind of guy when I was young. Another style he played on a regular basis was/is film music, A good example is stuff by Ennio Morricone. I don't know who here knows the clint classic "the good, the bad and the ugly", majestic movie that you should see if you haven't. The song he put on most was the title song with the same name, if you know it you know it's pretty epic.
 
With the koss it sounds kind of unorganized and hardly sharp, with the beyers I can see the movie flashing by in my mind when they're standing there just about to shoot each other, gotta love it. The soundstage is just way more accurate and clear, but again, the koss isn't in the same price range either so it would be strange if it weren't. Still, the music just embraces you, especially with orchestral music although I haven't put on that many songs at this point.
 
However, in all the songs I've played so far I can't say the highs have bothered me like some other people around here. There was this one OMD song where there was just one sharp tone that was out of its place, but perhaps that'll disappear within the next few days, we'll find out soon enough. Next on my list was some retro 80's pop, think corey heart and Falco, the catchy stuff that you sing along to. However first I tried Kate Bush because of her high voice. Again, no annoying highs to be noticed, the call for heathcliff just sounds great. The same goes for sunglasses at night, the guitars come through clean and bangin' although the bass on that song now seems kind of annoying because it shifts from left to right very quickly. Never noticed that on my hooked up speakers, guess it's a learning journey. Jeanny sounds less great, but I just checked and it appears to be ripped in a lower quality, I'll have to come back to that one later. Dr beat does have some higher noises, but it's yet again the same. It's not as much bothersome as it is tiresome because the song is filled with high pitchers.
 
That'll be it for now since my clock is saying it's 2 am, time flies even faster than I thought. More subjective rants will follow in the coming days
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