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post #61 of 86
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Originally Posted by barena View Post

Hello
I just purchased from a German web site (heimk***o-hi**) PFE012 for 79 euro, convinced by the reviews. Unfortunately I first listened to these headphones proved to be a total disappointment. The bass is completely absent, and the sound is metallic and shrill. In my opinion I have sold a defective pair of earphones.
Probably or the audio filters, the green, or the transducers are malfunctioning or are having problems.
Contacted the seller, they not only refuses to make is made according to the right of withdrawal, but warranty service without charge. Instead, it proposes to carry out a cleaning cost of 25 Euro, arguing that it is a health product and that, having used (only once) needs cleaning.


So beware

greetings 


Which headphones did you use before? Remember that most low end 'phones sound very dark and muddy and adjusting your ears to a brighter sound takes some time.

post #62 of 86
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Originally Posted by evoreactor View Post
Except the green filters - is there any difference between 112 and 012 models?


No pouch, no Complys, no cleaning tools, all black design. And, obviously, no choice of filters.

post #63 of 86
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Originally Posted by branedamag View Post


 

Green filters ordered last night, $14.95 US including postage.  I have the 112s so we'll see what they do.
 


I may have missed it but where did you order them from?

 

Since it is more acoustic/mechanical in the tuning there might be some modding possible to fine tune them. Maybe a pinhole mod in the center giving more treble like is done with foams pads on headphones. Would be good to have extras and experiment if feeling adventurous.

 

Are the green filter really hampering the size of the soundstage esp. without the amp? A bit mid-forward I actually like but not if it is because the stage collapses due to being underpowered.

post #64 of 86
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Thank you but I am more interested in build/construction differences of these IEMs, not what a package include ;)


The build/construction are exactly the same, the only differences are those meant above.

post #65 of 86
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Originally Posted by jant71 View Post




I may have missed it but where did you order them from?

 

 

 

I'm curious also 
 

post #66 of 86
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post

I'm definitely looking forward to trying the filter change. I'll probably order tomorrow, if they are available in the US that is. 


I bought mine on the Audeo website, although they told me that supplies were limited.

post #67 of 86

Thanks. I'll check it out. 

post #68 of 86


I think I do a big mistake.

 

The bass is present, perhaps not as dense as I thought, but it is very precise. If, however, active equalization as BBE viva or viva 2 to high volume perceive a certain bias.

The medium and high tone reproduction is rather in my top level. The voices of the singers are exceptional and the sound of guitars and is truly flat. You are right the sound of the phonak pfe 012 is more brighter than other low end iem.

I apologized with the dealer and also with the manufacturer.

These are my first headphonoe iem.


Greetings


 

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Originally Posted by branedamag View Post




I bought mine on the Audeo website, although they told me that supplies were limited.





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Which headphones did you use before? Remember that most low end 'phones sound very dark and muddy and adjusting your ears to a brighter sound takes some time.

post #69 of 86

I just received the perfect bass earphones and I made a quick comparison with my current Phonak PFE 112 earphones. The perfect bass earphones pack a lot more punch than the grey and even the black filters. Compared with the grey filters, the green filters definitely lost the midrange forwardness and minute detail and clarity while adding a lot of warmth to the low end. The highs are also subdued and is much smoother. The good thing is that the increased bass doesn't affect the mid or high range so the 012 earphones still contain most of the PFE sound. However, the green filters and the grey filters are two different beasts and it's definitely impossible for me to tell which one I prefer. I also used to own the Klipsch S4 earphones and from what I remember, I think that the perfect bass earphone has a clearer/better midrange, deeper but a little bit smaller amount of bass, and much better highs. For only $10 more, I'd say that the perfect bass earphones are a much better value. Overall, for only $90, I have to say that the 012 perfect bass earphones are really solid for its price and it's definitely geared for the more bassy audience.

post #70 of 86

Moldytape: I guess this is a typo:

 

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...I think that the perfect bass earphone has a clearer/better midrange, deeper but a little bit smaller amount of bass, and much better highs. For only $10 more, I'd say that the perfect bass earphones are a much better value...


Probably you wanted to say that PFE has better midrange and is better value than PB.

post #71 of 86

I was commenting on the PB compared with the Klipsch S4 earphones at that time. Sorry if I wasn't very clear about that. 

post #72 of 86

So has any one tried the PFE's with green filters, it's kinda a dagger that they made the new one so much cheaper. But a in depth review of the green with PFE would be really nice.

post #73 of 86

Did you happen to try the green filters with the PFE?

post #74 of 86

repost sorry

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Originally Posted by BeefRamen View Post

So has any one tried the PFE's with green filters, it's kinda a dagger that they made the new one so much cheaper. But a in depth review of the green with PFE would be really nice.


I have, and have further impressions.  In my original PFE setup, I was using the grey filters and listening straight out of the Ipod at home, and using my XM4 on planes for extra oomph.  I prefer a flatter, transparent type of sound.  To get the EQ I wanted, I ran the Ipod in bass boost mode, which made it sound fairly flat. I preferred this to boosting the bass on the amp itself.

 

Also, it should be noted that I am using large Complys and the seal is excellent.

 

Since I got the greens, I have been working at home.  I found that the greens attenuated the signal enough that I needed the amp even at home.  Also, they add so much bass that I actually ran the Ipod in bass-reduce mode.  So, I was curious about what would happen when I flew again.  I got my answer last night on a CRJ regional jet, admittedly a noisy ride.  I found that even with the amp, I was unable to get the volume I desired, and turning everything up resulted in distortion that was, to put it mildly, unpleasant.  So I did an in-flight correction, back to the greys and the amp and the bass boost, and I was happier.

 

So the conclusions are:

 

My preferred sound is the greens with the amp at home with the Ipod in bass reduce.

 

I can't run that on a CRJ.  Maybe a real plane, if I'm in front (Gold!  lol).  So change filters for flight.

 

If you don't like it as loud as I do, you might be able to use the greens in a noisy environment.  I've listened too loud my whole life and have no intention of stopping now.


Edited by branedamag - 8/17/10 at 6:59pm
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