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Jun 29, 2010 at 1:35 AM Post #736 of 795


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fark said:
This have been very funny to read, most of it anyway!
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Emotions, emotions...  However, I think it´s good that dfkt started this dicussion, the tradgic thing to me seems to be moore of people trying to forse thier supposedly correct ideal down the thoaths of others, waivering graphs, thronging around namnes etc..
Grownups should have no problem accepting what others thought of a particullary player after having listened to it, it seems we all have different ideals anyhow, but that´s just my humble opinion. 
 
Anyway, I´m new to all this audio stuff and just ordered the 801, can probably take my money back tho since it hasn´t been shipped yet?  (or at least I don´t think it has?)
But I´m not going to, to me graphs and "bashing vs fanboyism" doesn´t meen "@#/´¤ ! 
I´m simply going to recieve my product, pack it upp, load it with music and start listening to it for at least a week before I make my mind up about anything, but that would be my normal approach to anything so nothing unusal there.  When i do start listening I will do it with an open mind, if I for any reason shouldn´t like it I´ll just sell it, no harm done!
 
I am curious tho and I´m looking forward to it, especially to compare it to the Clip+ I have been using for a while now. But probably I don´t have good enough gear for the Clip+ sinse I don´t like the way it sound at all, or pherhaps it´s a combination between to cheap gear and having non audiofile ears?
 
I senserly appologize if I somehow said the wrong things or have a non accepted opinion, also my english isn´t the best but thats a completely different matter.
 
Till later m8´s
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I too received my 801 well after this thread was out, and it didn't deter me at all. I am thrilled with the sound.  I posted my review in the review section, so i wont get into all that here.
 
Jun 29, 2010 at 2:10 AM Post #737 of 795
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headphoneaddict said:
I too received my 801 well after this thread was out, and it didn't deter me at all. I am thrilled with the sound.  I posted my review in the review section, so i wont get into all that here.
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I think this is an important point: those that like the sound won't care about the measurements anyway.  Those that do care about measurements (prefer accuracy) are more likely to be disappointed with a purchase of this.
 
By having this thread it gives a more accurate representation of the product - many will probably pick it up despite this thread if they enjoy it.  This may help a few avoid what they consider a potentially regrettable purchase while others will pay little mind to it.
 
Jun 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM Post #738 of 795


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shike said:
I think this is an important point: those that like the sound won't care about the measurements anyway.  Those that do care about measurements (prefer accuracy) are more likely to be disappointed with a purchase of this.
 
By having this thread it gives a more accurate representation of the product - many will probably pick it up despite this thread if they enjoy it.  This may help a few avoid what they consider a potentially regrettable purchase while others will pay little mind to it.
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Normally I'm the OCD type that would avoid a product that didn't measure well, because the "thought" of it would bug me all the time.  I read this thread and then listened to the 801, and I quickly realized that the measurements didn't totally represent what the 801 is capable of sounding like.  Maybe it's only us old folks with hi-freq hearing loss that can enjoy it the most, I don't know.  But I'd bet my iMod measures better and yet it doesn't sound as good.
 
Jun 29, 2010 at 2:56 AM Post #739 of 795
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headphoneaddict said:
Maybe it's only us old folks with hi-freq hearing loss that can enjoy it the most, I don't know.  But I'd bet my iMod measures better and yet it doesn't sound as good.
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And that's your opinion.  I can appreciate a fun sound too - I just have a disagreement that a tuned sound that measures worse is worth the asking price.  Not to mention thanks to that output impedance the DAP can be highly erratic with reactive loads - meaning it can measure much worse in the real world.
 
In terms of quantifiable performance the 801 loses.  In terms of enjoyment that's obviously going to vary - such a subjective criteria is going to need to be decided by the individual.  The former fact still stands though.
 
Jun 29, 2010 at 4:32 AM Post #740 of 795
Were there any other besides FR graphs of the 1st 160gb iPod classic here, like transient response etc.?
 
Jun 29, 2010 at 5:08 AM Post #741 of 795

 
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Hello, FrederikS|TPU.
(I'm sorry, my poor English,again.)
 
When I read your post yesterday, I did not have the material that was able to be judged.
Therefore, I decided to obtain IEM amp module in Akihabara (Yeah!), and to measure it.
The following are the results.
 
fortunately,exchange was easy.
my conclusion: The output impedance of IEM amp module is about 34 ohms.
Therefore, the influence on the frequency response by the output impedance(especially, multi BA Driver) is larger than Default amp module(about 18 ohm).
so.....just in my opinion,
I think that the audition is preferable,before you bought it.　(Not like me!)
 
I am sorry in my long sentences,
thank you,
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Very interesting, I would have thought that with an output impedance of almost double the frequency response would be more messed up, than with the standard module.
 
Guess I need to dig up my old design of electronics book and read up on it.
 
Anyhow thank you for putting the the work and doing some measurements! :)
 
Jun 30, 2010 at 5:47 PM Post #742 of 795
Have got it now, will listen a while befor making up my opinion.
 
I think at least this product deserves that much, that I listen to it for while that is. I meen, how could I even begin to make statements without really knowing how the  SQ sounds to my ears.  I´m so new in this buisseness that I don´t even know what my ideal sound should sound like?
 
However, wheter I like it or not I´ll have no problem telling how it is, to my ears that is!  When I´m on a Swedish computer tech forum there is one thing I really don´t like, that is when fanboys (of any camp) trying to force their oppinion on others and behave like 12 year old schoolgirls when others doesn´t think the way they do.
 
The never ending Intel vs AMD anyone? 
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Jun 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM Post #743 of 795
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The never ending Intel vs AMD anyone? 
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Hm, interesting example.  The problem is those are easily benchmarked and performance can actually be measured by % to dollar.  Well, technically this could too; however argument here is that the experience is entirely subjective - which seems contradictory to the hobby when considering the objective is quality (i.e. fidelity) IMO.
 
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:34 AM Post #745 of 795


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Kind of reminds me of the 'Axis of Evil' comment asserted years ago. 
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Look at how inaccurate that turned out to be.  Oh wait a second......
 
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:08 PM Post #747 of 795
Ignore.
 
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:22 PM Post #748 of 795
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shigzeo said:
Kind of reminds me of the 'Axis of Evil' comment asserted years ago. 
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Knowledge is evil, science is evil, ... back into your cave! :p
 
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM Post #749 of 795
Indeed. So this thread hasn't really gone anywhere, I see. Tis a shame, but not really. Hell, if I had the money, I'd probably buy the HM-801 despite its ... tendencies. I don't feel like spending the money for the SQ, but more for the fact that it would be a sweet item to collect. My hobbies lie elsewhere, however, so my dosh is spoken for. 
 
I understand there are other companies trying similar products and whom are watching this thread (probably) closely. The HM-801, good or bad, is the first of its kind, at least in a production sense. 
 
I'd like to weigh in here that I have a favourite portable player: iPod touch 2G. Like it or loath it, I use it almost every day. The S:Flo sits on my desk gathering charge for a day I will use it. I would if it were smaller. The HM-801 I'd probably use too if it... you know were smaller. Size is important to me and the output, but if the thing works is pretty important.
 
It took Rockbox to finally get me to use the worst DAP eve: the Fuze 2G. I am holding out to hear the HM-801 though if it sound anything like the S:Flo's roll off, it has certain phones that work and more than don't. 
 
Jul 3, 2010 at 1:00 AM Post #750 of 795
Maybe the 801 is sort of like a harley? There's no real advantage when compared to japanese bikes, not really, but owners will claim to their deathbeds that their harley is a superior machine.  Perhaps you have to just be in the club to properly appreciate the thing.
 
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