Check out:

http://www.ipodlounge.com/reviews_mo...d=1820_0_6_0_M

especially the bit that says:

"Ultimate Ears developed the 1st 2 way professional personal monitor in 1995. This precedes the Shure E5c by 2 years. The Shure E5c has the low and high driver terminating into one sound bore which results in compression in the frequencies above 5k. The UE5c has separate sound bores for both the low and the high drivers which results in a much wider frequency response."

yes...maybe...but we are only few to have tried Shure E5...so imagine U5...and i think UE5c and Shure E5 were produced for musicians, not for audiophiles. IMO, they have overpronunced bass spectrum to mimic their stage monitors.

now, i was very disappointed about E5, so my judjement is the same for UE5c for the moment, but without listen them it's difficult to say...
i'm not a professional nor an ingenier, i may be wrong, but as far as i know, with my own experience with E5, UE5 go the same (wrong?) way for Headfiers...just a thought...

Point taken.

Obviously a key feature of UE5Cs is that they are only supplied with custom earmoulds, unlike UE5s.

I got too little bass with Ety ER-4Ps with Ipods so more bass might suit me.

I meant ".....unlike E5s". Doh !!!

To my knowledge the first 2-way in-ear monitor type product was first developed by Michael Santucci of Sensaphonics.

Yes Sensaphonics Mike Santucci and Andy Schiach (sp?)
developed the first in ear monitors. The are also behind the Slic Sound ear bud adapters that I think somebody in the UK is selling.

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In fact, I think you got it the other way around.. ProPhonic 2X is geared towards stage musicians, and it actually has "less" bass than the E5. Most musicians will find a huge amount of bass very distracting when they're playing on stage. They only need to know it's there and it's accurate, not reproduced to the point where it shakes their head.

I still wouldn't call E5's bass as "overpronounced".. because if you think about if.. if E5's bass is overpronounced, that would make any Grado's bass "super uber pronounced"... that would raise a hair in a lot of Grado user's heads

Not to mention the high noise floor from the PA system and possible wedges on stage for other musicians. I really wonder how much bass one could perceive in the live performance environment.

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we don't feel it the same way lindrone, maybe it's not bass, maybe it's another thing...i cannot put a word in it, but something is wrong, in my opinion, for the best audiophile sound.
i know musicians use shure E5, so i thought they have the need about this "distorsion" i feel...

but as i said before, it's only my feelings, take them for what they are worth for...maybe nothing, maybe a little...

and yes, i feel E5 bass at least "heavy" if not overpronunced

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That "something" is what you're used to.. the Ety sound. That's pretty much it. It's like when I was used to Sennheiser and got to listen to Grados, I felt like the Grados were way over the top. If I had Grados first, I would feel like the Sennheisers were "weak". It's a matter of perspective. It's not "wrong", it's different. Same to be said about the "distortion"... because the Ety sound very "clean"... which I feel like a lot of things are artificially cleaned up and recessed.

Musicians do use E5, but E5's bass doesn't get completely expanded when you don't use the tri-flange sleeve, and it doesn't get completely expanded if you don't use the proper source anyway. E5's bass extension coming from an iPod sounds different than it sounds coming out from my Gilmore V2. It also sounds different coming out of the Super Mini.

I tried the E5 with a Mint Meta42.. it sounds just okay.. doesn't get to where it needs to go. Sounds "different" on the Super Mini, I can't say if it's really better. (Some people think the v6.2 of Super Mini is better than the Transit.. so.. *shrug*)

But the flexibility of the bass extension is there depending on your source. Since most musicians use little wireless receiver packs, I doubt much of the bass gets into their head anyway. Either way, the E5 is a flexible product. Is it meant for pro-musicians with the bass?.. Err.. definitely not. It's one product that can fit both market.

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i used them with the tri-flange sleeve and a meta 42, 2 9V battery and AD8620 op, the same i used for Etys.
now if i must change all my ring when i change headphones... Etys too depend on the source as well, so i don't see the point...
at identical situation in this (mine) ring, same volume, Etys4S sound better, IMO, no matter how long i have been used to them.
if E5 sounded different, i would have said "different".
(and i do not spend 500$ for not give precise attention to them...)

it took ugly and bulky to be a canalphone, more like a earphone. looking at it make me wanna throw up.

LOL... all the custom molding look like that.. because it's contoured to the inside of your ear... Although I can't agree more on the color choices of the UE5c being very poor. Look on their website, there's some really ugly colors for them.

However, once inserted into your ear, it should fit completely flush with your ear. Other than the wire sticking out, they should be hardly noticeable at all. Especially if you get the clear/flesh tone versions of them.

Still.. $550 is a lot for something you can't resell or return if you didn't like them.

On top of that, from my personal experiences.. custom moldings makes the canalphones very, very comfortable, but they don't necessary sound better (because of the material which the plug is made from). The isolation is awesome, but the sonic quality might suffer a bit.

I still think Slic Sounds are the way to go. They are grey, but I heard somewhere that they may be coming out in a flesh color.
For $6.95 you really can't beat em for even the cheapest ear buds.

Well, those are just add-on for your earbuds, which means they don't do much than just channel the same type of sound you were getting from your earbuds into your ear a "little" better.

I guess for the price, they're okay. They're nowhere near the sonic quality of any real canalphones though, disregarding just about any earbud you pair them with. Earbuds just aren't comparable in terms of resolution and clarity... although some of them have pretty boomy bass.

Then again, there are always people who prefer their MX500 over Ety's, and KSC-35 over any other type of portable phones....