Aug 10, 2010 at 10:07 AM Post #526 of 866
That is the issue for me - not interested in anything as big as the T5p for a portable - the "Closed 600 ohm T1" I dream of would be for home use.
 
For portable use, the T50p is just fine for me, although I have to keep my Senn PXC350 for airplane use.
 
 
Aug 10, 2010 at 10:58 AM Post #527 of 866


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That is the issue for me - not interested in anything as big as the T5p for a portable - the "Closed 600 ohm T1" I dream of would be for home use.
 
For portable use, the T50p is just fine for me, although I have to keep my Senn PXC350 for airplane use.
 


I have Senn MX980 earbuds and ESW9s for portable, but still am thinking to try full size for portable use to see how it works. T5P is the only I found to be interesting. 
 
Aug 10, 2010 at 9:35 PM Post #528 of 866
Here is my review if anyone is interested:
 
Beyerdyanmic T50P A Quick Review
 
Initial Impression:
 
When I first heard them it was over at a fellow Head-Fier house.  It was hooked up to his Ibasso and his laptop.  I heard several songs on them before returning to my cave.  First thing that came out of my mouth was “ooooooooooo.”  The sound signature was completely different compared to my other headphones I have or heard.  I listen to some Johnny cash, and several other songs with female vocals (I will assume it was either jazz or folk).  I was very pleased with them, actually I was quite happy and stoked to bring the T50Ps back to my cave and hang them proudly, hanging next to my Ortofon O-One, Vixen HF2 and MS1i and of course the infamous Koss Portapros.  So, off to home I go.  Plug them into my X-Fi and played some Airbourne.  I was shocked, and utterly disappointed.  While I do know the X-Fi is not the best source, still…the T50P sounded veiled, recessed and overly hollow.  I was not happy.  But, I do blamed my X-Fi so off I went and into my Pico Slim, Fiio L6, and Fuze combo.  Still, I had mixed feelings with the T50P.  They were horrible for rock music, but sounded decent with jazz.   Distraught, I started to read the forums on them, while I knew about the mixed reviews, I wanted a solution.  120 hour burn in eh?  Well, guess there’s no choice!  200+ burn in here I go!  If you’re wonder why the long burn in, it was because I was working for over a week straight and totally forgot about them, haha. 
Note:  I was deciding between the T50P and the Audio Technica portable line, mainly the ESW10jpn and the ES10.  I will not lie that the whole “Tesla” marketing swayed me over and here I am today with the Beyers.  As well, I kept thinking about the actual tesla coils and the mythbuster episode with the whole “water stun gun!” 
 
Design/Comfort/Build Quality
 
Personally, I like the overall design, it’s very sci-fi looking.  It’s very durable and quite comfortable.  However, I do find the isolation well I guess better than the Grado but they’re not spectacular.  Compared to the O-Ones, the T50P doesn’t seem like it isolate much.   But, I will say it has average isolation. 
 
Positioning seems to be an issue with the T50P, I have no problems whatsoever in trying to get a “proper” position.  Some may have a bit of a problem with positioning.
 
I will say that I don’t like the cable, I find it way to thin, but the T50P has very good strain reliefs on the plug and headphone side.  The cord has a very nice rubbery feel, reminds me of the RE-252.  But, these are portable headphones and they put my PortaPro to shame.
 
Sound Quality
 
Equipment: Sansa Fuze, Fiio L6 LOD and Pico Slim
Music: All FLAC files
 
Unamped:  Being 32ohms they are very easy to drive.  My Fuze was quite happy for me personally I don’t need to pass 40% of the volume level in a quiet area.  This is a huge plus for those who are on the move.
 
Paramore – Crushcrushcrush:   Everything sounds great.  I can hear all the detail, nothing out of place.  Treble is excellent in detail, clarity and smoothness.  A huge difference when compared to the O-Ones.  Mid grade is very good too, while not as forward as the Grado, everything is smooth clear and detailed.  Bass is very punchy and makes me happy for this song.  There is also a nice metallic resonance, very nice indeed.  Overall, very good musical separation, smoothness, very good detail, crispness and lightness.
 
Utada Hikaru – This is The One:  There is a slight airiness and openness with this song that I like.  Beyer is no slouch to reproduce the open sensation.   As well, a nice resonance in Utada’s voice.  Everything sounds natural, and very detailed.  Haha, maybe for this song the ticking noise (in the music not the headphone/source) can be more annoying that one would want!  But, I have no qualms listening to Utada with the Beyers.  Everything is well controlled, with excellent decay in the bass and notes.
 
Tupac – Until the End of Time:  While the T50Ps are not the bass focused headphones ever, the bass is still very controlled and detailed with a good amount of resonance.  But, again there is this airiness and openness that seems slightly awkward for rap or his particular song.  Everything is again detailed, with excellent clarity.  I’m starting to think the T50P really excel in the midgrade and treble areas.   But, the bass is also quite good, just not what I would want for rap.
DJ Champion – Alive Again:  No qualms whatsoever, everything sounds great.  Very smooth, detailed and clear.  Bass is still very punchy.  I could use some more bass quantity but quality is very good.
 
David Brubeck – Take Five:  As those who know me, this is one of my favorite songs ever.  This was the song that captivate me in listening to jazz music.  The T50P does the best job I’ve ever heard for this song, when I think about all the other headphones I have and heard using this song.  The smoothness is what I noticed.  The cymbals are detailed with very good decay, nothing over powering or lacking.  The drums have good resonance, decay, detail and naturalness to them.  All the instruments such as the piano and sax sound very smooth. It is quite the experience to listen to the Dave Brubeck Quartet with the T50P. 
 
Rachmaninoff – Piano Concerto No.2 in C minor op.18:  I don’t think the T50P has an average sound stage.  It seems to be wider than the Grado but not as wide as the O-Ones but it’s not that far off from the O-Ones.   I would think while I’m not near the front row, I’m not near the middle either and definitely not in the bleeder section.   For headphones, especially closed these are more than acceptable.  I will probably say it is better than the other true portable headphones out there.  Back to the music:  What can I say that I haven’t said before?  Everything is crystal clear, detailed and the treble is lovely.  However, I do find the bass, no matter how clean it sounds, it doesn’t feel like it extend deep enough when it should, but it does have a nice resonance.  I just wish it push a bit deeper and maybe it could be a tad louder, haha I want the rumbling effect of the bass!   But, everything else sounds great!
 
Upon doing a frequency sweep, the bass does go deep, whether or not you can hear it is within music is another.  But, it’s not as strong as other headphones I’ve heard.  As I said before, I think the T50P really excel in the mid to treble areas.  The overall smoothness of the beyers is something to be proud of.  I am very happy and glad I gave the Beyerdynamic T50Ps a shot.  While they’re not as warm as the HD600/HD650 nor as cold as the HF2 or O-One, I wouldn’t call them neutral.  They seem to be a bit on the warmer side, well at least warmer than the HF2 and O-One that’s for sure.  But, there is something truly special about the T50P.  Go tesla drivers and shoot lightning bolts and those who mock you!  If I had to say one more thing, this is what the SRH840s should have been!
 
If anyone is in to modding, I would like some more cushion for the ear pads!
 
T50P with the Pico Slim
 
While the T50P don’t need an amp, having an amp isn’t bad.  With the Pico Slim the T50P sound livelier.  Better clarity and detail (only slight – took me a while to figure that out, very negligible).  The most prominent improvement I hear is the extended decay is some songs (great for guitar), resonance (due to positive amping process) and better bass (again positive amping effects).  The Pico does help in trying to bring out the bass, just with a bit more quality and resolution, nothing crazy.  These effects remind me of the RE0 and Pico Slim.  In most cases, the amp is really not needed at all.  Unamped the T50P sounds absolutely fine.  So no amp, no worries.  Just plug, play and enjoy the music, especially if they had a very long burn in!
 
Cheers!
 
Edit: When I get some more time I will do a more detailed review, especially with the Pico Slim as well add some fancy pictures
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, though I guess it would be better to make a new thread.
 
Aug 10, 2010 at 9:41 PM Post #529 of 866

omg this is me too. that song got me into jazz. i went to bestbuy and paid full price for the CD the day i heard it. great review!
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David Brubeck – Take Five:  As those who know me, this is one of my favorite songs ever.  This was the song that captivate me in listening to jazz music.  The T50P does the best job I’ve ever heard for this song, when I think about all the other headphones I have and heard using this song.  The smoothness is what I noticed.  The cymbals are detailed with very good decay, nothing over powering or lacking.  The drums have good resonance, decay, detail and naturalness to them.  All the instruments such as the piano and sax sound very smooth. It is quite the experience to listen to the Dave Brubeck Quartet with the T50P. 
 

 
Aug 10, 2010 at 10:12 PM Post #530 of 866


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omg this is me too. that song got me into jazz. i went to bestbuy and paid full price for the CD the day i heard it. great review!


Haha Cheers!  With any headphone I get/audition I always, and I mean always, play that song to see how well it sounds on different headphones.  It's either the first song I play or the second.
 
Aug 11, 2010 at 4:19 AM Post #531 of 866
Excellent review mythless! I also find them to be great with jazz - and that suits me perfectly.
I think the weakness is in rock where specially drums sometimes sounds a bit thin - snares in particular on some recordings can sound like tincans. (Again this is the very same thing I miss in the ER-4S - which the sound-charachteristics reminds me of). But the decay and detail level is fantastic and resolution is top quality.
 
Trying to find the weak spots: I have two areas where I could wish for a little more - but can easily live without bearing in mind that this is a transportable headphone and not a perfect choice for desktop/studio listening compared to my recently sold T1 or my SR325i. The first is soundstage and second I would like more forward mids. I have to say that the soundstage is not very wide horisontally - but vertical I think it has air and does not feel compressed like it does in the width. Maybe this is because they are a closed design? The mids has a fantastic resolution but I would like to have them come a bit more forward. But this is just my own personal preference. 
 
For vocal jazz T50p is a perfect match - let it play form an iQube and you get tight bass crystal clear mids and treble - great slam and punch!!! If I want a little bit more body in the bass I pair it with the P-51. T50p really reacts on being paired with an amplifier even though it can easily be driven without. I also think that if they are playing great recordings in high resolution flac or lossless they reward the listener with its high resolution. 
 
 
Aug 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM Post #532 of 866
Thanks, rasmushorn!  I can understand where you're coming from.  For myself, I generally look toward the details in the guitar over the drums.  But, I can understand how the drums sound a bit thin, especially compared to the HF2.  Exact same thing with the mids.  I also prefer a slightly more forward mids which is why I prefer the RE252 over the RE0.  But, I can easily live without it.
 
I wanted to add one more song, a more vocal jazz, but my Fuze crashed on me and I lost all my files, and didn't have a backup on my computer.  Regardless, these headphones are really great!
 
Aug 14, 2010 at 2:54 AM Post #534 of 866


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the beyers wowed me after it hit about 200 hours
the detail and instrument separation is amazing
never gonna let these go


I have a feeling right now that I will never let these go either!
 
I am starting to wonder what a better cable would do to these and if it can be changed. I am not a big fan of moding headphones because the manufacturer has chosen materials for reasons but I have a feeling that other cables might do a lot to these?
 
Aug 14, 2010 at 3:05 AM Post #535 of 866


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I have a feeling right now that I will never let these go either!
 
I am starting to wonder what a better cable would do to these and if it can be changed. I am not a big fan of moding headphones because the manufacturer has chosen materials for reasons but I have a feeling that other cables might do a lot to these?


better cables usually translates to better conduction therefore increasing sq
how bout you go ahead and try recabling them
ill be waiting on your impressions
 
Aug 14, 2010 at 9:02 AM Post #537 of 866
OK why not. I will try. I am hoping that the Danish Beyerdynamic distributor with their official service lab can help.
 
Which cable do you recommend I should be looking for??
I prefer light, detailed, airy, focused, forward midrange and fast sound. I am thinking SILVER cables? Any recommendations? I prefer to keep it in the same length as the stock one and hopefully as non-microphonic as the one it has now.
 
Aug 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM Post #539 of 866
Haha, I'm one of those "I don't think the wire material will change the soundsignature of the driver" type of person.  So, either silver or copper should be find.  Do you think the lab could stuff more cushion into the ear pads?  That could help make a better seal and comfort.

 
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OK why not. I will try. I am hoping that the Danish Beyerdynamic distributor with their official service lab can help.
 
Which cable do you recommend I should be looking for??
I prefer light, detailed, airy, focused, forward midrange and fast sound. I am thinking SILVER cables? Any recommendations? I prefer to keep it in the same length as the stock one and hopefully as non-microphonic as the one it has now.



 
Aug 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM Post #540 of 866
My T50ps are finally in! Eagerly burning in right now~ Whats the minimum before they start sounding good?
 

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