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Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
Nov 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM Post #12,121 of 16,931
Hey, 
 
So I saw the sound signature guide you had. What I wasn't able to really find a good answer to my question. I'm looking for about $50-$70 a pair of IEMs that have good deep, powerful bass very much like the old XB500. Any possibilities or is my quest a pipe dream?
 
Nov 22, 2013 at 1:49 AM Post #12,122 of 16,931
sibeiknowhow said:
   
Thanks for the reply! If it's not too much to ask i would love to hear maybe a short impression on the SQ for the AX7, or maybe a comparison to another TWFK IEM like the DBA-02. 
 
Thanks and good luck with the reviews!
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Sure, though I only have the DBA-02 mkII. The AX7 is a little more laid-back (when used with the filter - otherwise it's too bright). Bass is similar but the DBA-02 is a touch clearer in the midrange. Both have plenty of treble but the AX7 seems to drop off a little earlier and lacks some of the energy of the DBA-02. The DBA-02 also has  a slightly more dynamic sound with a more 3-D presentation. 
 
The downside of the DBA-02 is that it can be less tolerant of sibilance and is more sensitive to insertion depth so I can see the AX7 working better for some people from that standpoint. 
 
tomscy2000 said:
   
I've listened to the reverse situation (JH13FP demo, custom UERM), and my observations were similar. Personally, I came away enjoying the UERM more, and not just because I have one, but because I probably enjoy the more laid-back feel of the UERM more than the ultra-3D, things constantly warping around my head, kind of feel with the JH13FP. I noticed that the UERM, in a direct comparison against the JH13, felt a little "sleepy" and "uninvolved", though I wouldn't believe so if I were only listening to it. I think, however, the biggest discrepancy between our observations is the part about the UERM glossing over fine texture more. It might be because I was using the demo version of the JH13, but I actually though the JH13 was more forgiving, at least between 500-2000 Hz. I would bump up the midrange and upper midrange on the UERM by a few dB myself for a truly realistic presentation, but I found that the UERM allowed me to examine the vocals on a track very deeply. As an experience, the JH13 is more exciting, and it reveals spatial representation better. Nevertheless, while I fully concede that the JH13 is superior technically, my personal preferences make me lean toward the UERM. They're both excellent, though.
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That's a good takeaway! 
 
Thanks for the comparison. Perhaps I'll get to try a customized UERM someday to see if it bests the JH13 for me.
 
 
 
alterndog said:
  Hey, 
 
So I saw the sound signature guide you had. What I wasn't able to really find a good answer to my question. I'm looking for about $50-$70 a pair of IEMs that have good deep, powerful bass very much like the old XB500. Any possibilities or is my quest a pipe dream?
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If you have larger ears, the Padacs Aksent may be enough. Last I checked it was on sale for $10 directly from the manufacturer. Otherwise the Nuforce NE-700X is probably your best bet - plenty of bass and pretty good overall SQ.  Runner up would be the RHA MA-350. 
 
Nov 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM Post #12,123 of 16,931
i have JVC Extreme Explosives. I am planning on getting SteelSeries Flux In Ear. 
 
Is it a good idea? I like bass on JVC. Will i be satisfied in that department in Flux? The reason for upgrade is comfort and build. On left ear, JVC hurts my ears at some angles. 
 
I heard really good review for Flux but don't know how good the bass is. 
 
thanks
 
Nov 22, 2013 at 9:54 PM Post #12,125 of 16,931
mkv1500 said:
  i have JVC Extreme Explosives. I am planning on getting SteelSeries Flux In Ear. 
 
Is it a good idea? I like bass on JVC. Will i be satisfied in that department in Flux? The reason for upgrade is comfort and build. On left ear, JVC hurts my ears at some angles. 
 
I heard really good review for Flux but don't know how good the bass is. 
 
thanks
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Joker has an IEM buyer's guide on his website. As you can see, the Xtreme Xposives is labeled as a Basshead earphone, while the Flux is listed under the Warm & Smooth section. If that doesn't tell you let me be clear: the Flux is more refined sounding than the JVCs, but the bass quantity isn't nearly as plentiful. My Velodyne vPulse is as close as I've heard to being a direct upgrade to the Xplosives -- indeed, that's the reason I originally bought my vPulse's.
 
That said, given that comfort and build is your primary concern, I'd wait to see what Joker's suggestion ends up being.
 
Nov 23, 2013 at 12:13 AM Post #12,126 of 16,931
mkv1500 said:
  i have JVC Extreme Explosives. I am planning on getting SteelSeries Flux In Ear. 
 
Is it a good idea? I like bass on JVC. Will i be satisfied in that department in Flux? The reason for upgrade is comfort and build. On left ear, JVC hurts my ears at some angles. 
 
I heard really good review for Flux but don't know how good the bass is. 
 
thanks
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    you can opt for xb90ex , they have deep , thumping bass , may not have huge bass , but satisfying .
 
Nov 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM Post #12,127 of 16,931
mkv1500 said:
  i have JVC Extreme Explosives. I am planning on getting SteelSeries Flux In Ear. 
 
Is it a good idea? I like bass on JVC. Will i be satisfied in that department in Flux? The reason for upgrade is comfort and build. On left ear, JVC hurts my ears at some angles. 
 
I heard really good review for Flux but don't know how good the bass is. 
 
thanks
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The Flux has a lot less bass than the Xtreme Xplosivs. In that price range to get the bass of the JVCs you'd probably want something like a Nuforce NE-700X (though the housings are a little on the large side) or the vPulse drm870 recommended. 
 
By the way, which JVC XX do you have? I found the old FX1X a little large but the newer FX101 uses smaller drivers and fits better.
 
bhazard said:
  I just got the Moe SS-01. Really nice, clear dual driver for the price ($60). The 3-4k treble peak kills my ears at times though.
 
Looking forward to Joker's opinion of it.
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Yeah, the top end has a little too much edginess for me as well. It reminds me of the ATH-CKM500. Still very good for $60, especially the clarity.
 
Nov 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM Post #12,128 of 16,931
bhazard said:
  I just got the Moe SS-01. Really nice, clear dual driver for the price ($60). The 3-4k treble peak kills my ears at times though.
 
Looking forward to Joker's opinion of it.
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ljokerl said:
   
 
Yeah, the top end has a little too much edginess for me as well. It reminds me of the ATH-CKM500. Still very good for $60, especially the clarity.
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Weird. I find them even smoother than the RE400 w/ sony hybrids. well, i only tried them for less than 10 hours. how much burn-in yours have?
 
Nov 23, 2013 at 3:55 PM Post #12,129 of 16,931
zelda said:
   
 
Weird. I find them even smoother than the RE400 w/ sony hybrids. well, i only tried them for less than 10 hours. how much burn-in yours have?
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Less than 5 hours. Stock Bi-Flanges.
 
Innerfidelity has a FR chart that sort of confirms the peak. It is easily cut with EQ though, so it's not that big of an issue. I'm also sensitive to that region. A small midbass and peak cut make them really good.
 
Nov 23, 2013 at 4:05 PM Post #12,130 of 16,931
bhazard said:
  Less than 5 hours. Stock Bi-Flanges.
 
Innerfidelity has a FR chart that sort of confirms the peak. It is easily cut with EQ though, so it's not that big of an issue. I'm also sensitive to that region. A small midbass and peak cut make them really good.
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oh, i didnt get bi-flanges. just 3 pair of singles. will try them with some meelec ones. but still strange, i;m not that forgiving when i comes to peaks. far from the CKM500 for sure. actually i'd like some extra treble on these ss01 
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Nov 23, 2013 at 4:08 PM Post #12,131 of 16,931
zelda said:
  oh, i didnt get bi-flanges. just 3 pair of singles. will try them with some meelec ones. but still strange, i;m not that forgiving when i comes to peaks. far from the CKM500 for sure. actually i'd like some extra treble on these ss01 
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Extra 12khz and up could use some, yes. It drops off sharply there.
 
Nov 24, 2013 at 2:05 AM Post #12,132 of 16,931
zelda said:
   
 
Weird. I find them even smoother than the RE400 w/ sony hybrids. well, i only tried them for less than 10 hours. how much burn-in yours have?
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Mine has tons of burn-in. It just has quite a bit more presence in the 3-6k range than the RE-400.
 
Nov 24, 2013 at 8:05 AM Post #12,133 of 16,931
jozurr said:
  Hi Joker,
 
Can you please tell me how the EPH-100 compares to the MH1C? Is it a significant upgrade in the sound? Is it a logical upgrade to the Mh1C or does it sound different? Also, how comfortable are these for smaller canals? I use the smallest size tips for all IEMs. If not these what would you recommend as an upgrade to the MH1c with slightly more forward mids?
 
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More bass, more mids, and the treble is not as smooth as with the MH1C.
 
I think it is a good upgrade but I wouldn't recommend it if you have smaller canals. The MH1C is not easy to upgrade from - there's just not many higher-end dynamics that have such warm and smooth sound. The RBH EP2 comes to mind but it's not a very significant upgrade for a whole lot more $$. You might be better off keeping the MH1C and playing with the EQ a little. 
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Hi Joker,
 
Do you think the TDK BA-200 would be a better fit than the EPH100SL as an upgrade from the MH1c? The fit of the MH1C is what is putting me off completely and I can hardly wear them. However I do like the signature. A little more mids/bass is fine as long as the treble is smooth.
 
Nov 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM Post #12,135 of 16,931
jozurr said:
   
Hi Joker,
 
Do you think the TDK BA-200 would be a better fit than the EPH100SL as an upgrade from the MH1c? The fit of the MH1C is what is putting me off completely and I can hardly wear them. However I do like the signature. A little more mids/bass is fine as long as the treble is smooth.
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Sorry, the BA-200 continues to elude me - I've never heard it. The RBH EP1 reminded me of an upgraded MH1C when I tried it but I'd have to spend more time with it for more specific impressions. I also didn't think it was quite as good as the EPH-100 overall. 
 
esteebin said:
  SteelSeries Flux in-ear $25
PRO version $75
EDIT: It's from Amazon
I also posted on DEALS III thread.DEALS III
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Wow, that's very impressive, especially for the Flux. Also makes the Flux Pro more or less competitive with the UE 600.
 
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