Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
Jan 3, 2015 at 12:43 AM Post #15,347 of 16,931
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  Yes, I did email them and they gave me a $25 discount for the universal version of V6-Stage.
 
I actually planned to get the ADEL U6 from their Kickstarter program but at that time I don't have the money to buy it. Actually until now, just looking for alternatives.
 
So far these are my options. Planning to get one in e-earphone.jp as it is cheaper:
 
- ATH-IM03 (26,200 yen -- around US$218)
- FX850 (26,670 yen -- around US$222)
- FX1100 (46,570 yen -- around US$387)
- Westone W30 (34,200 yen -- around US$284)
- Westone W40 (44,350 yen for brand new, 31,700 yen for used -- around US$369 for brand new, around US$264 for used)
- SE535LTD-J (46,210 yen -- around US$384)
 
They actually fall below US$400. I think it is more feasible for me compared with below US$500.
 
Fit is also one of the things I consider since I have small ears. I also thought of ATH-IM70 since it is much cheaper (10,670 yen -- around US$89) but according to some the housing is too big. I haven't tried one yet, though.
 
 
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Personally, I like to get that used Westone W40 for US$264. It's really a good deal if you'd ask me. Got to have to check the overall package though for any inconsistencies/defects. I am just waiting for people's feedbacks and impressions. Maybe they have something to say.

  No, the W40 is too dark and has too much mid-bass to be a V6-Stage alternative. A good TWFK-based set like the VSonic VC1000 will be a better match for the V6-Stage tuning. If you want detachable cables, the UE900 is a better option, though one that's not necessarily comfortable in smaller ears. Or the Sony MDR-EX1000 or EX600. 
 
I haven't tried the IM03, FX850, or FX1100.

 
Haven't heard the V6-Stage. But based on Joker's description and comparisons, I'd say scratch the JVCs from the list unless you plan to use EQ or do the mod. Both the FX850 and FX1100 have terrific potential, but are tuned decidedly too bassy for your requirements in stock form.
 
Also, they're pretty large, so small ears might pose a problem.
 
Jan 3, 2015 at 1:43 AM Post #15,348 of 16,931
   
No, the W40 is too dark and has too much mid-bass to be a V6-Stage alternative. A good TWFK-based set like the VSonic VC1000 will be a better match for the V6-Stage tuning. If you want detachable cables, the UE900 is a better option, though one that's not necessarily comfortable in smaller ears. Or the Sony MDR-EX1000 or EX600. 
 
I haven't tried the IM03, FX850, or FX1100.
 
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Haven't heard the V6-Stage. But based on Joker's description and comparisons, I'd say scratch the JVCs from the list unless you plan to use EQ or do the mod. Both the FX850 and FX1100 have terrific potential, but are tuned decidedly too bassy for your requirements in stock form.
 
Also, they're pretty large, so small ears might pose a problem.

 
Thanks ljokerl and james444! I also like to include the Noble K10 as a reference since I have heard good praises for this one. jelt2359 also says the W40 is the one closest to K10 so I guess I am off to Westone W40, for now.
 
Will surely NOT include the JVCs since almost everyone says to cross that off on my list.
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Jan 3, 2015 at 12:59 PM Post #15,349 of 16,931
Jan 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM Post #15,350 of 16,931
After comparing W4 with the DN-2000 quite a while, I noted that the W4 had more mid-bass than the DN-2000, and more sweeter, of course. Am I right? 
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Jan 4, 2015 at 8:16 AM Post #15,351 of 16,931
   
 
and i am superman
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w40 must be wasted money, but hype is a biatch
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Hahaha! I know, I know. Don't worry, I am taking the reviews/impressions/feedbacks with a pinchful of salt. Just waiting for others to chime in. 
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Actually Spyro, on the other hand, recommends Westone W30 over W40 (of course he has his reason. Please don't shoot me.). How's that working for me? 
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Jan 4, 2015 at 11:39 AM Post #15,352 of 16,931
my sennheiser ie8 is out... right driver does not work anymore, only slight sound coming from it... it is not the cable but the driver... i am going to buy some new iem soon.. 
i am still set on buying akg k3003.. i have only seen 2 other options that could ever come close, but i have a pretty hard time fiinding comparations, and making anything out of them... it would be k10 universal, and roxanne universal. i am pretty sure that k3003 is a better option for me though..
 
Jan 4, 2015 at 9:11 PM Post #15,353 of 16,931
 
Might have to save a little more but 1964 ears do a universal version of their models.  You'll have to email and ask them.


If I may slip a question here as I am new. David's statement above is like a revelation to me. I didn't think of taking a high-end custom and 'downgrading' them (so to speak) to a universal style. What a great idea for my needs. I posted a "Shortlist" question hoping for some guidance in another forum (no need to trouble yourselves), but again, a universal 1964 V6 Stage has instant appeal to me and with the flexibility, I could always pass them along if they're not for me.
 
Can I ask, aside from fit and perhaps isolation, would any of the sound qualities be sacrificed by such a 'modification'? Alternative recommendations welcome of course.
 
Of course I will give them a call but I would love to get some input from this gang of hardcore purists.
 
Thank you!
 
Mike
 
Jan 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM Post #15,354 of 16,931
 
If I may slip a question here as I am new. David's statement above is like a revelation to me. I didn't think of taking a high-end custom and 'downgrading' them (so to speak) to a universal style. What a great idea for my needs. I posted a "Shortlist" question hoping for some guidance in another forum (no need to trouble yourselves), but again, a universal 1964 V6 Stage has instant appeal to me and with the flexibility, I could always pass them along if they're not for me.
 
Can I ask, aside from fit and perhaps isolation, would any of the sound qualities be sacrificed by such a 'modification'? Alternative recommendations welcome of course.
 
Of course I will give them a call but I would love to get some input from this gang of hardcore purists.
 
Thank you!
 
Mike

I'm not expert here, but I would think doing so, without great research into housing design, would be akin to taking a Ferrari engine and putting it into a Passat... you're going to lose everything else that makes that Ferrari a Ferrari...
 
Jan 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM Post #15,355 of 16,931
 
If I may slip a question here as I am new. David's statement above is like a revelation to me. I didn't think of taking a high-end custom and 'downgrading' them (so to speak) to a universal style. What a great idea for my needs. I posted a "Shortlist" question hoping for some guidance in another forum (no need to trouble yourselves), but again, a universal 1964 V6 Stage has instant appeal to me and with the flexibility, I could always pass them along if they're not for me.
 
Can I ask, aside from fit and perhaps isolation, would any of the sound qualities be sacrificed by such a 'modification'? Alternative recommendations welcome of course.
 
Of course I will give them a call but I would love to get some input from this gang of hardcore purists.
 
Thank you!
 
Mike

  I'm not expert here, but I would think doing so, without great research into housing design, would be akin to taking a Ferrari engine and putting it into a Passat... you're going to lose everything else that makes that Ferrari a Ferrari...

 
I'd say it depends on how it's done. Many manufacturers have universal demo-units of their customs, and from my own experience plus what I've been gathering from others, some of them sound very close to the full-custom version.
 
I personally own a custom and universal version of the UERM, which sound and measure very similar to each other.
 
Jan 4, 2015 at 11:29 PM Post #15,356 of 16,931
  (1A7) Hidition NT 6
 
Sound (9.9/10) – Hidition’s lineup is notable for having not one but two six-driver flagships – the NT 6, which features a 4-way passive crossover, and the NT 6-PRO, which adds another crossover point for a 5-way setup. The PRO model promises enhanced bass, while the vanilla NT 6 is said to be more neutral.

The overall signature of the NT 6 is balanced, with a slight treble emphasis. The earphone impresses most with its bell-like clarity, but there’s a whole lot more to like. The bass is linear, with a small boost in the sub-bass region. The low end is a little leaner compared, for example, to the JH13 Pro and Westone ES5, but remains extremely tight and controlled at all times. Overall accuracy is great and the neutral bass quantity is very welcome, though perhaps a little surprising considering the triple bass drivers of the NT 6. One may expect more bass boost, but the low end of the NT 6 is punchy when it needs to be, otherwise staying out of the way.

The midrange is flat and level, boasting striking clarity and detail. There is no bass bleed and the mids are not in the least bit recessed. With nothing to get in the way of the midrange, detail resolution and overall definition are fantastic. Vocal intelligibility is excellent as well – better compared to the UM Miracle and Heir Audio 8.A, for example. Only the JH13 Pro competes in clarity, and even then its mild bass boost puts it at a slight disadvantage to the NT 6.

On the whole, the NT 6 is well-balanced aside from an upper treble bump, which gives it a characteristically brighter, cooler tone. It is not a forgiving earphone but, happily, the top-end emphasis falls above the 4-8 kHz range where sibilance typically originates, so the NT 6 does not introduce sibilance or harshness to recordings. Treble extension is excellent, contributing to an airy and open sound with entirely unconstrained dynamics.

The tight, clean sound of the NT 6 does wonders for the presentation of the earphone. The Hidition boasts a wide and spacious soundstage but does not lack in the way of a central image. Overall imaging is excellent, resulting in a convincing presentation, and while soundstage depth and layering aren’t quite on-par with the JH13Pro or UM Miracle, they are certainly close enough to compete.

I haven't read your review on the NT-6 until now, and I pretty much agree with what is said after owning them for awhile.  You seem to describe it like it is.  I think this is the second time agreeing with your review after the CK-10.  This thread is probably the most reliable source of info on iems.
 
I think you may have listened to V1.  From what you describe I can imagine the V1's FR. I do have the V2 though, so it's more relaxed in treble and in the sub bass.
 
Jan 5, 2015 at 4:38 AM Post #15,357 of 16,931
Hi joker, what do you think about upgrading piston 2 to shure se425?

 
Well, it will be an upgrade but the Piston is warm and bassy (and v-shaped) whereas the SE425 (last I heard it... which was a while ago) is pretty balanced. The Shures will give you a much more clear and accurate sound but they just haven't got much in common with the Piston 2.
 
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Haven't heard the V6-Stage. But based on Joker's description and comparisons, I'd say scratch the JVCs from the list unless you plan to use EQ or do the mod. Both the FX850 and FX1100 have terrific potential, but are tuned decidedly too bassy for your requirements in stock form.
 
Also, they're pretty large, so small ears might pose a problem.

 
This also makes sense based on my experience with the FX700.
 
 
If I may slip a question here as I am new. David's statement above is like a revelation to me. I didn't think of taking a high-end custom and 'downgrading' them (so to speak) to a universal style. What a great idea for my needs. I posted a "Shortlist" question hoping for some guidance in another forum (no need to trouble yourselves), but again, a universal 1964 V6 Stage has instant appeal to me and with the flexibility, I could always pass them along if they're not for me.
 
Can I ask, aside from fit and perhaps isolation, would any of the sound qualities be sacrificed by such a 'modification'? Alternative recommendations welcome of course.
 
Of course I will give them a call but I would love to get some input from this gang of hardcore purists.
 
Thank you!
 
Mike

 
I haven't had a chance to try both the universal and custom version of the same IEM as james has, but I would imagine that any differences present with the 1964s would not be night-and-day. I've tried some awful universal demos and I've tried some great ones, so it really comes down to who's making them, and based off what. Considering it's the same manufacturer making the universal version in this case, there's a good chance they're competitive. Maybe instead of Ferrari vs Passat with Ferrari engine, it's more like Ferrari vs Ferrari with the ergonomics, suspension, and gear ratios set up just for you (for better or worse). 
 
  I haven't read your review on the NT-6 until now, and I pretty much agree with what is said after owning them for awhile.  You seem to describe it like it is.  I think this is the second time agreeing with your review after the CK-10.  This thread is probably the most reliable source of info on iems.
 
I think you may have listened to V1.  From what you describe I can imagine the V1's FR. I do have the V2 though, so it's more relaxed in treble and in the sub bass.

 
Thanks!
 
I think I had my pair for maybe 3-4 months prior to the review first being posted in May of 2013. So they're probably a January-February 2013 revision, whichever that would be.
 
Jan 5, 2015 at 4:56 AM Post #15,358 of 16,931
Hey guys! Hoping you guys could help me find an iem that relates to the HD558 in terms of sound signature. I know an iem within this price range (~100usd) won't have no where near the same level of soundstage so hoping for more just an overall companion to the HD558. Thanks.
 

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