By any chance do you know how the CX380 compares to the CX300? 

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battleaxe said:

By any chance do you know how the CX380 compares to the CX300? 

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Not a clue.
 

Joker did you remember how the phonak audeo compares with q-jays?
Also i read in many reviews of the cc51 including yours (i think) that you dont suggest them for people with small ear canals. I read in your review than it has a 5mm nozzle and brainwavz series 5.5mm which is very common for many especially dynamic drivers. If the cc51 has slightly smaller nozzle than a very comon nozzle size like the brainwavz M1's why you say it might be big for some?

@ib1dance, the e-Q5 are less than ideal for running, I'd look into the GR10 or FI-BA-A1 instead. Very similar sound signature and much more secure over-ear fit.

 
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Joker did you remember how the phonak audeo compares with q-jays?
Also i read in many reviews of the cc51 including yours (i think) that you dont suggest them for people with small ear canals. I read in your review than it has a 5mm nozzle and brainwavz series 5.5mm which is very common for many especially dynamic drivers. If the cc51 has slightly smaller nozzle than a very comon nozzle size like the brainwavz M1's why you say it might be big for some?

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Q-Jays are much more dry and emphasize texture over liquidness/smoothness. I guess relative balance would depend on the filters used but with black filters the PFEs still lost out to the q-JAYS in bass presence. From memory I think the q-jays are also a bit more resolving and slightly warmer than PFE w/black filters.
 
As for the CC51, unless MEElec has somehow managed to fit a 6mm driver in a 5mm chamber, that's a mistake on my part. Fixed it now - thanks.

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@ib1dance, the e-Q5 are less than ideal for running, I'd look into the GR10 or FI-BA-A1 instead. Very similar sound signature and much more secure over-ear fit.

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mmm...? Moving Armature & Balanced Armature . I've read that Moving Armature drivers can "move more air" thus the Grado GR10's may give me that sense of bass impact I require .
 
I know it's not practical comparing a I.E.M to a full size headphone, but, essentially I'm  searching for  a I.E.M with  frequency characteristics and soundstage similar to the sennheiser HD25's .
 
Maybe someone should lend joker some Grado GR10's
 
I've been reading a mixed bag of opinions on them .Some saying there audio perfection in a I.E.M some saying there  nothing special for the price.
 
 

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Q-Jays are much more dry and emphasize texture over liquidness/smoothness. I guess relative balance would depend on the filters used but with black filters the PFEs still lost out to the q-JAYS in bass presence. From memory I think the q-jays are also a bit more resolving and slightly warmer than PFE w/black filters.
 
As for the CC51, unless MEElec has somehow managed to fit a 6mm driver in a 5mm chamber, that's a mistake on my part. Fixed it now - thanks.

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I see you are talking about the black filters so i guess that greens have even less bass. Thats not actually a problem. Well there is no problem. Just trying to figure out other sound signatures. Maybe the more smoothness of the Pfe will be something i will like.
 
Anyway 6mm is not that big afterall. It must be close to the brainwavz i guess
 
 

None of the MA based eaprhones I've heard are bass monsters by anyone's standards. They would be polite to many but what they do have is great texture, detail, decay and resolution in the bass and well in the midrange and treble as well.

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None of the MA based eaprhones I've heard are bass monsters by anyone's standards. They would be polite to many but what they do have is great texture, detail, decay and resolution in the bass and well in the mid range and treble as well.

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Yes, BUT,.especially in Dance music, bass is what you feel .In your description of bass you missed out the main element that makes bass the energy it is.... conductive impact
 
"Bass monsters" ? I simply want to feel the bass impact as nature intended and not merely monitor bass @ a energy level equal to the Tantalizing Treble.Bass is not equal to treble it yields far more energy . If you don't feel a drum  on a I.E.M how can it be said to be accurately reproducing a drums characteristics .westone 3's do produce that 'feel effect' ,though with a bloated 'boom' on the tail of the bass and with a less thrilling treble than that of the CK10's .
 
When I say I want a good solid bass response, I certainly do not mean I want it at the cost of the mid-high regions.
 
I want the frequencies to dance as they should.The bass has the Body and most mass ,the treble has the Highs which should never undermine the lows as the CK10 can do, and the mids..? well they just Glue it all together as it's all relative to the whole .
 
If I  listen to music with some Standard Dynamic Driver full size headphones the bass ,drums etc have  impact as bass and drums naturally do . This impact was missing from the ck10's, and it was this lack of energy or movement in the lows that left some Dance tracks sounding like a symphony of snares and hi-hats   .
 
Maybe moving Armature drivers can not deliver the needed energy in order to correctly produce the bass? .If not  I wonder if a Hybrid could be tuned in order for Different models of drivers to be able to provide that gap between a Dynamics bass energy and a Moving Armatures Precision .
 
Quote:http://splurgebook.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/everything-you-need-to-know-about-iems/

"Dynamic drivers are relatively uncommon in IEM’s (although are the staple driver type in ear-buds). Because they are able to move more air, bass reproduction is better than balanced armature drivers, however they cannot move as fast, meaning intricate details (including those within the bass range) may be lost."

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Could a 3 driver Hybrid I.E.M using a  Dynamic Driver for the Lows,Balanced driver for the Mids,Moving Armature for the Highs be physically feasible ?
 
 
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None of the MA based eaprhones I've heard are bass monsters by anyone's standards. They would be polite to many

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So there isn't a Moving Armature I.E.M for Dance music then!  since the Bass in many Dance tracks is anything but "polite" .
 
That would be a shame because I did love the speed of the CK10's .

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I see you are talking about the black filters so i guess that greens have even less bass. Thats not actually a problem. Well there is no problem. Just trying to figure out other sound signatures. Maybe the more smoothness of the Pfe will be something i will like.
 
Anyway 6mm is not that big afterall. It must be close to the brainwavz i guess
 
 

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Green ones have more bass (sold with HP as "Audeo Perfect Bass", I'd say that they're quite on the bassy side). Gray filters have the most clinical sound.

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Not a clue.
 

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Thank you. I need a new pair of workout IEM so a new search starts. Out of all the models you have tested do you have a recommendations(I think you may have the record for most headphones reviewed)? The CX30-II worked alright in this respect but on some songs  dare I say I found it to be a bit bright and fatiguing, which isn't a good thing when working out. I would prefer the same SQ as the CX300 but with bit more balance, & instrument separation/sound stage.

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Thank you. I need a new pair of workout IEM so a new search starts. Out of all the models you have tested do you have a recommendations(I think you may have the record for most headphones reviewed)? The CX30-II worked alright in this respect but on some songs  dare I say I found it to be a bit bright and fatiguing, which isn't a good thing when working out. I would prefer the same SQ as the CX300 but with bit more balance, & instrument separation/sound stage.

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I use Shure's SE425 as my gym-phone. The fit is great (if you got the ears for it) and you won't have to worry about it fall off during a run (unlike the CX300). Considering the price though, maybe you should consider the SE215 instead? Those seems to be the FOTM at the moment.
 
 

I tried dance music once, but realised that I really do prefer women.

Ib1dance, you should try the fx500s...

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I tried dance music once, but realised that I really do prefer women.

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I used to listen to Rock music a lot , but realized I prefer a Diverse spectrum of people playing and dancing to Drums & percussion ( and sometimes Guitars too)  rather than usually just men playing with there Guitars
 
Whats a Rock song without a Guitar ...?
 
Whats a Dance song without Percussion...?  I'm just shopping for that I.E.M that can if called upon  Bang those Drums Hard whilst also  providing that sparkle in the treble with a balanced response of the Mids .
 
Obviously if we could just have a listen to these I.E.M 's B4 we spent money on them we'd be making our choice's based on what sounds Good and moves us forward.
 
Joker can I ask you just one more question?
 
You have not mentioned the westone 4's . Though you place it quite high in your ranking with a sound score of  9.7 & the CK10's sound score is 9.6 .Since I already like the flavor of the westone 3's, though would like more detail and a tighter less bloated bass, don't you think westone 4's achieve this? . Or because they are Balanced Armatures do they lag behind in terms of a speedy response quite considerably to the ck10's? .