Multi-IEM Review - 352 IEMs compared (Pump Audio Earphones added 04/03/16 p. 1106)
Dec 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM Post #12,301 of 16,931
  can you do me a fidelio s1 and re-400 shoot out ? which one is better when it comes to sq ?

 
The RE-400 is more efficient, warmer in tone, and boasts more intimate mids and a more in-the-head presentation overall. 
 
The Fidelio S1 has more subbass & bass in general but is also less warm overall and a touch clearer as a result. The mids on the S1 are less forward. Tonally, it is somewhat brighter and has more upper midrange presence. It is also more spacious overall and has a wider soundstage but gives up the intimate feel and more well-rounded presentation (in terms of depth and width being more even) of the RE-400.
 
They're about on-par for me, just different signatures. 
 
Among these IEMs, which one has less fatigue to the ear and also the most comfortable to wear for a long time like 2 to 3 hrs nonstop?

 
Sound-wise for me the S2 is the least fatiguing, followed closely by the GR07 and DBA-02. But like modulor said if listening fatigue is a big consideration, a less bright earphone like the RE-400 might be worth looking at.
 
I find the DBA-02 mkII the most comfortable, then the GR07, then the DBA-02 mkI, and then the S2, partly because I prefer over-the-ear to cable-down.
 
 
Interesting reading (and pictures), thanks for sharing.

 
 
+1, thanks for sharing!
 
  Hi Folks, 
 
Just a quick question. I am in the UK and am getting my new portable rig sorted for Christmas.
 
It should be something like this Note 3 -> USBOTG -> Microstreamer (or alternative) -> IEM's. However I am struggling what IEM's to go for. I am in the UK and we seem to have a few good deals available at the moment. I have Sony MH1C at the moment, which I like, but too warm for my liking. My home set-up is Grado SR-80i's (vent modded) and I love the forward sound, so I would ideally like something similar to the Grado sound, I have read that the Microstreamer can be a bit bright though. These are my options at the moment:
 
Super.fi 5vi @ £32 
RE-400's @ £78
Brainwavz B2 @ £86
Rock IT R50 @ £75
Sony XBA-H1 @ £78
 
I see Joker gave the Super.fi 5's an 8.6 for sound quality, so going by that £32 seems to be a bargain. But do you think that the B2's or R50's are going to be a lot better (baring in mind the price difference)?
I can also get the Sony XBA-3ip's for £104, which seems a good deal for triple armature, that's really at the top of my budget though, as the Microstreamer is £170. Any help making a choice would be fantastic. I listen to a broad range of music, from rock to reggae. 
 
Thanks in advance folks, and happy Christmas, 
 
Jim

 
I agree with MoonYeol, it's tough to justify spending way more on a source than earphones in this tier. However, I don't know how bad the headphone out of your Galaxy is. I can't use my HTC phone with many IEMs because of its crappy audio hardware.
 
Anyway, to get closer to the Grado sound you probably will want a brighter set than the SF5 and RE-400. The B2 and R-50 (the latter with a tip change and maybe impedance adapter) would be good. The Ety HF5 would be good too if it's available at a reasonable price. The Fidelio S1 is good but has quite a bit more bass than these other options. Not sure how the H1 sounds but if the EX600 is any indication it could also be quite excellent. 
 
Dec 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM Post #12,302 of 16,931
can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .
 
Dec 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM Post #12,303 of 16,931
Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.
What do you recommend? 
I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.
For that reason I prefer dynamic.
If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?
Budget around £300 / $500
Thank you
 
Dec 12, 2013 at 3:19 PM Post #12,304 of 16,931
Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family? :)

They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead :)
 
Dec 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM Post #12,306 of 16,931
can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .

 
It's fine out of the J3. Perhaps not ideal as it pairs well with a warmer player, but it's more than enough to see the B2's potential. 
 
  Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.
What do you recommend? 
I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.
For that reason I prefer dynamic.
If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?
Budget around £300 / $500
Thank you

 
I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.
 
Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family?
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They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead
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Playing around with different tips is definitely a good idea. Not sure what the B2 comes with these days but there should be some Complys included. I also got good results with thick/narrow opening single-flange tips (from an older Shure set) as well as triple-flanges if they are comfortable for you.
 
Beyond that there's always the EQ - the 5 - 8k range usually contains most of the sibilance. 
 
Dec 12, 2013 at 11:07 PM Post #12,307 of 16,931
  I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.
 

When I had the Westone 4R for 3 weeks I thought they were technically superior to the GR07 all around, just the fit wasn't for me. That was the clearance sale @ $299 though. 
 
Dec 13, 2013 at 1:16 AM Post #12,309 of 16,931
 
Playing around with different tips is definitely a good idea. Not sure what the B2 comes with these days but there should be some Complys included. I also got good results with thick/narrow opening single-flange tips (from an older Shure set) as well as triple-flanges if they are comfortable for you.
 
Beyond that there's always the EQ - the 5 - 8k range usually contains most of the sibilance. 

 
They come with a few sets of standard silicone tips and a pair of Comply foamies. With the savings I made I'd already ordered some Westone True Tips as I find the foam style tips to be really comfortable for longer listening. I have my own collection of assorted tips which I'll have a go with over the course of the weekend/next week. I'll certainly be trying out the Comply's and triple-flanges first.
 
As for the EQ, excellent. I'll drop a couple of dB on that range and see how it goes.
 
Joker... you're the best :)
 
Dec 13, 2013 at 2:06 AM Post #12,310 of 16,931
thanks for the reply , im thinking of going with ie800 or fidelio s1 or rha 750 , i want some bass , nice mids , and sparky highs , which one should i go for ?
 
Dec 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM Post #12,311 of 16,931
I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.
MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.
 
The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?
 
Dec 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM Post #12,312 of 16,931
  I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.
MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.
 
The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?

 
I'd suggest the SteelSeries Flux, which is an excellent value at around $50 but sometimes it has gone on sale for as low as $25.  I too hated the cable of the MH1 to the point of not using it but the Flux has a thinner, more flexible flat cable that still has a mic/remote and works with any android/iphone as well.  Comparatively it has a little less warmth and less of a bass tilt, but the mids are a bit more forward and it is definitely more transparent side by side.  Treble is never harsh like the MH1 and is a bit more extended it seems.  It would sound great out of your Clip+ too 
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Dec 14, 2013 at 1:03 AM Post #12,313 of 16,931
  How does the GR07 Bass Edition compare to the JVC FXT-90?

 
The FXT90 has a bit more mid-bass while the GR07 is more level in the bass region and sounds a bit tighter. The FXT90 is more forward overall. The GR07 is less warm, brighter, a bit clearer, and has a more out-of-the-head presentation.
 
   
They come with a few sets of standard silicone tips and a pair of Comply foamies. With the savings I made I'd already ordered some Westone True Tips as I find the foam style tips to be really comfortable for longer listening. I have my own collection of assorted tips which I'll have a go with over the course of the weekend/next week. I'll certainly be trying out the Comply's and triple-flanges first.
 
As for the EQ, excellent. I'll drop a couple of dB on that range and see how it goes.
 
Joker... you're the best :)

 
Good luck! 
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  thanks for the reply , im thinking of going with ie800 or fidelio s1 or rha 750 , i want some bass , nice mids , and sparky highs , which one should i go for ?

 
The TDK IE800? Never tried it. The RHA is more bass-oriented than the S1 and has less presence in the upper midrange and a less bright tone. The upper mids/treble of the S1 are more like the GR07 (good energy, not very forgiving) than the MA750. Anyway, both good earphones, just very different flavors.
 
  I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.
MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.
 
The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?

 
In that price range the Flux is probably your best bet. Personally I don't think it's notably smoother than the MH1C but it definitely has a bit less bass and a more accurate overall sound. The cable on the Flux isn't great but it's symmetric and can be used over-the-ear. It does have a mic though. Staying in the price range there's just not much that can compete with the MH1C, especially considering you like the signature. Moving up into the $100-$150 range there's more options but nothing I can think of that ticks ALL the boxes per your requirements. 
 
Someone should really start recabling MH1Cs for a fee... it's easy to find a $10-20 donor IEM with vastly better cables.
 
Dec 14, 2013 at 1:42 AM Post #12,314 of 16,931
   
The TDK IE800? Never tried it. The RHA is more bass-oriented than the S1 and has less presence in the upper midrange and a less bright tone. The upper mids/treble of the S1 are more like the GR07 (good energy, not very forgiving) than the MA750. Anyway, both good earphones, just very different flavors.

 
   big help man ,  but have you heard klipsch imave x7i ?
 
Dec 14, 2013 at 1:45 AM Post #12,315 of 16,931
Added Moe Audio MOE-SS01 - a dual dynamic driver IEM closely related to the pricier JVC HA-FXT90.
 
 
 
(2C60) Moe Audio MOE-SS01
 

Reviewed December 2013
 
Details: Dual dynamic driver earphone from China-based Moe Audio, closely related to the JVC HA-FXT90
MSRP: $65 (manufacturer’s page)
Current Price: $64 from lendmeurears.com
Specs: Driver: Dual Dynamic | Imp: 12Ω | Sens: 107 dB | Freq: 8-25k Hz | Cable: 3.9' I-plug
Nozzle Size: 5.5mm | Preferred tips: stock single-flanges; MEElec “balanced” bi-flanges
Wear Style: Straight down or over-the-ear
 
Accessories (2.5/5) – Single-flange silicone tips (3 sizes), shirt clip, and soft carrying pouch
Build Quality (4/5) – The SS01 uses plastic shells that clearly show the driver chambers and incorporate an “S” into the design. The earphones utilize a narrow flat cable that actually feels rather sturdy and is more user-friendly than most other flat cables, which tend to be either too thick and heavy, or too rubbery
Isolation (3/5) – Not bad despite the shallow-fitting shells
Microphonics (4.5/5) – Very low when worn cable-down; nonexistent with over-the-ear wear
Comfort (4/5) – The drivers of the SS01 are arranged vertically, like those of the JVC FXT90, resulting in similarly-shaped housings. The earphones are lightweight, and despite their larger footprint in the ear are no less comfortable than most conventional straight-barrel IEMs, thanks in part to the angled nozzles. Over-the-ear wear is possible for those with larger ears but may require longer eartips than those provided. For me the SS01 is much more comfortable when worn cord-down
 
Sound (8/10) – The MOE-SS01 utilizes a driver setup similar to the pricier JVC HA-FXT90s - twin 5.8mm drivers made of different carbon composites. The sound bears some similarities to the JVCs but on the whole the discrepancies do add up to a rather different audio experience. I would summarize the sound of the SS01 as very clear, with a cool tonal character and slightly v-shaped response.
 
The bass of the SS01 is very impressive, perhaps second only to the earphone’s clarity in this regard. It is enhanced, but not overbearing, and has good punch and extension with virtually no bloat. The JVC FXT90, which the SS01 is closely related to, has more of a mid-bass hump and sounds warmer and fuller overall. The SS01 is a little on the thin side, especially with the way it presents male vocals, but otherwise the mids are quite good - mostly level and extremely clear.
 
The upper midrange and lower treble of the SS01 are quite prominent, lending guitars great presence and “crunch”. The treble is nice and energetic overall. It reminds me of the Audio-Technica ATH-CKM500 - not really peaky, but with an “edgy” character that occasionally bothers me (with a lot of heavy metal recordings, for example). At times, the SS01 can exaggerate sibilance a bit as well, but not nearly to the same extent as the average VSonic set. The FXT90, from memory, had a bit more treble sparkle but less of an edge to it.
 
The presentation has good width and decent imaging for something in this price range. It’s not quite as spacious and out-of-the-head as, say, a VSonic GR07, but it fares very well against similarly-priced sets. The SS01 is very efficient, too, reaching listening volume more easily than the GR07 and most other dynamic-driver sets.
 
Select Comparisons
 
VSonic VSD1S ($49)
 
One of my favorite sets in its price range, the VSD1S is a slightly v-shaped earphone that makes a pretty good match for the MOE-SS01 in overall performance. The VSD1S boasts a little more bass impact compared to the MOE and sounds warmer overall. The SS01 is leaner and cooler in tone but still has excellent bass presence. The earphones have similarly excellent clarity. Like most VSonics, however, the VSD1S tends to amplify sibilance. The SS01, on the other hand, is far less prone to exaggerating sibilance but sounds a little harsher in general. The SS01 also appears a touch more congested while the VSD1S is more airy and open-sounding. 
 
SteelSeries Flux In-Ear ($50)
 
The Flux is another of my favorite budget-friendly in-ears and again tends to be a touch v-shaped, making it a good competitor for the SS01. The Flux has similar bass impact but boasts a touch more sub-bass weight in comparison, making the SS01 sound a little more “hollow”, or lacking footing, in the bass region. The mids of the Flux, on the other hand, are more recessed and sound veiled as a result. The SS01 is significantly clearer, but also tends to sound thinner. The added treble of the brighter SS01 also makes it harsher overall whereas the Flux by and large remains smooth, if a little grainy and unexciting. 
 
Philips Fidelio S1 ($95)
 
The Philips Fidelio S1 is one of several reasonably well-balanced earphones in the sub-$100 price bracket. Like the SS01, the Fidelio S1 boasts enhanced bass and prominent, crisp upper mids and treble. As with the SteelSeries Flux, the Philips earphones boast a touch more sub-bass weight compared to the MOE, sounding more solid when it comes to bass punch. Tonally, the Philips earphones are warmer, with mids that appear a bit fuller and smoother. The MOE-SS01 is brighter and harsher and sounds a little less natural overall in terms of tone and timbre but easily keeps up in clarity and detail, which is impressive. The presentations tend to be similar, with pretty good width and average depth.
 
HiFiMan RE-400 ($99)
 
The RE-400 and MOE-SS01 are two very different takes on near-neutral sound. Despite having less bass presence, the RE-400 is warmer, sounding more mid-centric overall. Its treble is smoother and more refined. The SS01, on the other hand, tends to be more v-shaped in signature—it is bassier but also brighter compared to the RE-400. The added treble can make it sound harsh next to the HiFiMan set, but also allows it to appear clearer at times. The smoother RE-400 tends to sound more natural through the treble region but lacks the striking clarity of the MOE. 
 
Value (9/10) – The MOE-SS01 is a dual dynamic earphone with a slightly cool tonal tilt and great clarity. There is a bit of treble harshness but for the price the performance leaves almost nothing to complain about – the SS01 can compete with the best sets in its price tier and beyond. Sound quality aside, the SS01 also boasts a nice construction with an excellent, low-noise cable and is surprisingly comfortable thanks to its light weight. Call me crazy but I don't mind the look of it, either – at the very least I won't mistake this earphone for anything else in my collection. For fans of clear, punchy earphones, the SS01 is nothing short of an excellent buy.
 
Pros: Fantastic clarity, great bass quality; low cable noise
Cons: Large footprint may not be comfortable for those with small ears

 
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