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thats not what you hear .
The dip at ~22K makes it a deal breaker for me.. such lazy tuning.
thats not what you hear .
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Look at the scale. It suddenly drops off 30 dB from 7 kHz to 12 kHz.
Can one trust manufacturers' FR graphs?
Look at the scale. It suddenly drops off 30 dB from 7 kHz to 12 kHz.
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Looks closer to 20dB from 7k. But it also looks really smoothed like Inks said so...
Sexy design though. That's worth a few dBs I think.
Sexy design though. That's worth a few dBs I think.
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I know!
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It was more of a rhetorical question.
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It's actually 25dB not 30 — yes, a pretty steep dip, but I remain curious. If that graph turns out to be fairly close to the real thing, I wonder what these IEMs will sound like. At least good old grumpy sparrows already know that a FR graph does not always correlate to what they hear in the real world.
The dip at ~22K makes it a deal breaker for me.. such lazy tuning.
I know!
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It was more of a rhetorical question.
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It's actually 25dB not 30 — yes, a pretty steep dip, but I remain curious. If that graph turns out to be fairly close to the real thing, I wonder what these IEMs will sound like. At least good old grumpy sparrows already know that a FR graph does not always correlate to what they hear in the real world.
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ljokerl, did you get one yet? If not, will you be getting one in soon?
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Schmexy!
Need someone to cover it for Cymba?
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Lol, I don't even remotely care about their graph right now... but to answer your question, nope.
I just want to hear the thing
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LOL!
Also, more info and pics here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/675848/new-rha-iems-the-ma750i-and-ma600i
ljokerl, did you get one yet? If not, will you be getting one in soon?
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Schmexy!
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Can one trust manufacturers' FR graphs?
Lol, I don't even remotely care about their graph right now... but to answer your question, nope.
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The dip at ~22K makes it a deal breaker for me.. such lazy tuning.
LOL!
Also, more info and pics here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/675848/new-rha-iems-the-ma750i-and-ma600i
blueangel2323
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What's with the supersonic peak? That's probably around 25-30k :O
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No complaints here, I would have all of my favorite IEMs in stainless steel if I could. Especially my customs
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I haven't heard the IE60 but I have the IE6 and it's not as good as the RE-400. Neither is the GR06. If you want a pretty flat/neutral sound with smooth treble, the RE-400 is the one to get in that price range.
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All I got is a press release
. I'm a sucker for stainless steel, though, so I'll see if I can get one.
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^ Ha, I'd rather say the K3003 had a bit on the side with a FAD 1601.
No complaints here, I would have all of my favorite IEMs in stainless steel if I could. Especially my customs
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The dip at ~22K makes it a deal breaker for me.. such lazy tuning.
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I haven't heard the IE60 but I have the IE6 and it's not as good as the RE-400. Neither is the GR06. If you want a pretty flat/neutral sound with smooth treble, the RE-400 is the one to get in that price range.
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All I got is a press release
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Oh, rest assured I learned my lesson when FAD had claimed the Piano Fortes had a perfectly flat FR curve — when I saw that, I eagerly went ahead and ordered a pair of PF IXs, only to later realise the FR was ever so slightly skewed.
Lol, I don't even remotely care about their graph right now... but to answer your question, nope.
Oh, rest assured I learned my lesson when FAD had claimed the Piano Fortes had a perfectly flat FR curve — when I saw that, I eagerly went ahead and ordered a pair of PF IXs, only to later realise the FR was ever so slightly skewed.
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That is a really weird, compressed FR graph.
Anyways, joker, I guess neither of the PNY headphones intrigued you as they're on the "not going to get a full review" list, but how are the cables? They midtowns are cheap, I figured I might get them just to cannibalize the cable for another project.
Anyways, joker, I guess neither of the PNY headphones intrigued you as they're on the "not going to get a full review" list, but how are the cables? They midtowns are cheap, I figured I might get them just to cannibalize the cable for another project.
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Actually there are a whole bunch of earphones I haven't had a chance to categorize yet (thanks for the reminder!).
I have the PNY Midtowns and the Uptowns and they are both not bad. Nice deep bass that's reasonably tight, and good overall clarity. They sound like a lot of other cheaper earphones that are decent but generally lackluster - the Noontec Rio, for example. Good news is the PNYs are like $15 on Amazon and at that price I have no complaints.
Actually there are a whole bunch of earphones I haven't had a chance to categorize yet (thanks for the reminder!).
I have the PNY Midtowns and the Uptowns and they are both not bad. Nice deep bass that's reasonably tight, and good overall clarity. They sound like a lot of other cheaper earphones that are decent but generally lackluster - the Noontec Rio, for example. Good news is the PNYs are like $15 on Amazon and at that price I have no complaints.
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Hey Joker, great thread you have here! I'm just getting into IEMs and need something portable to replace my full-sized cans. What would you recommend that's "fun" but still relatively neutral, with tight bass and easy highs? For reference I love my FA-003/HM5, although I wouldn't mind something a little more exciting either. The one thing I can't stand is harsh highs. I'm just going to be using these while walking around campus, so I couldn't care less about soundstage and detail retrieval, but isolation needs to be good. I'm really just interested in getting that sound signature and clarity. $150 is my budget but buying used is totally a possibility.
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Hi Joker, hope you are doing good... Now what would be an ideal upgrade to MH1c and Quadbeat, i got both and although i think both are superbly good for the price, would GR07BE at discounted prices be worth the investment? Or RE400?
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A few that come to mind:
HiFiMan RE-400 - smooth and very clear, with tight bass and neutral tone. However, it has less bass than what I remember of the FA-003. If you're using them primarily in noisy environments you may not be satisfied with the bass response.
Yamaha EPH-100 - these are the opposite of the RE-400 on the bass front, deep and powerful. They are a warm and fun-sounding IEM with pretty inoffensive treble. Too much bass might be a problem in this case but I thought the low end was rather well-done on these and their isolation would work nicely for use outside.
Sony MH1C - much cheaper than the others but they have a very smooth sound with bass that is pretty well-controlled considering its quantity. Isolation is above average and clarity is generally good, though behind the two sets mentioned above.
Shure SE215 - somewhat similar to the MH1C but a bit less refined. Makes up for it in user-friendliness, construction quality, and isolation. Again, a warmer sound, but this type of signature is probably your best bet if you want smooth treble and a bit of added "fun".
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While I do consider the VSonic and HiFiMan to be upgrades over those two, you may be surprised how close the Sony/LG already are to the good $100-200 earphones. Anyway, you should expect something along these lines:
RE-400: good if you like the clarity and more neutral tone of the Quadbeat over the warmer, fuller sound of the MH1C. It won't have the bass depth of the Sony or the soundstage width of the LG, but it makes up for it with a balanced and neutral presentation, treble smoothness, and very clean bass.
GR07BE: bassier than the RE-400 but also has more prominent treble a-la Quadbeat. Wider presentation than the RE-400 but the top end is not as smooth.
A few that come to mind:
HiFiMan RE-400 - smooth and very clear, with tight bass and neutral tone. However, it has less bass than what I remember of the FA-003. If you're using them primarily in noisy environments you may not be satisfied with the bass response.
Yamaha EPH-100 - these are the opposite of the RE-400 on the bass front, deep and powerful. They are a warm and fun-sounding IEM with pretty inoffensive treble. Too much bass might be a problem in this case but I thought the low end was rather well-done on these and their isolation would work nicely for use outside.
Sony MH1C - much cheaper than the others but they have a very smooth sound with bass that is pretty well-controlled considering its quantity. Isolation is above average and clarity is generally good, though behind the two sets mentioned above.
Shure SE215 - somewhat similar to the MH1C but a bit less refined. Makes up for it in user-friendliness, construction quality, and isolation. Again, a warmer sound, but this type of signature is probably your best bet if you want smooth treble and a bit of added "fun".
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While I do consider the VSonic and HiFiMan to be upgrades over those two, you may be surprised how close the Sony/LG already are to the good $100-200 earphones. Anyway, you should expect something along these lines:
RE-400: good if you like the clarity and more neutral tone of the Quadbeat over the warmer, fuller sound of the MH1C. It won't have the bass depth of the Sony or the soundstage width of the LG, but it makes up for it with a balanced and neutral presentation, treble smoothness, and very clean bass.
GR07BE: bassier than the RE-400 but also has more prominent treble a-la Quadbeat. Wider presentation than the RE-400 but the top end is not as smooth.
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