[shigzeo]

Crikey! I turned my head for a few days and this thread as 255 replies! Now, 256! Not heard them, but if they are different/better than the Copper or Gold, they are amazing.

 

[ericp10]

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Originally Posted by lucozade /img/forum/go_quote.gif @eicp ,great initall thoughts on the mds ericp, your tempting me to try them buddy my ears may thank you and be very pleased but my wallet will not be so happy

Welcome to the club buddy...lol. I know the feeling. My wallet and your wallet will be screaming at both of us!!! lol Well, my wallet has already called me every name under the sun. lol

 

[ericp10]

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Originally Posted by cn11 /img/forum/go_quote.gif eric- Just wanted to say that was a great write up. You hit everything on the head which I hear with them too. I was shocked, like you, at how enjoyable they were fresh out of the box. I remember trying them first with the super tips, and thinking, 'damn, these are pretty good'. Then I did the tip experiments, landing on the Hybrids, and thought, 'good grief'! Like you said, on really well recorded stuff they are very emotionally involving IEM's. I've found myself affected in the same way on some of my favorite music. During a remote listening session with a good friend (with the exact same setup), we noticed precisely the same weight and texture to strings. In one piece, a cello comes in toward the back, and the tactile quality of it had us both just in disbelief. I've never heard mids done so right as with these. Anyway, again, kudos for a fine job. And glad you're enjoying them. I forgot if you mentioned it, but what tips did you settle on?

Thank you @ Chris, and thank you and Search for both peeking my interest on the MDs. Yes, very surprising how good they sound out of the box. How have they changed for you over time though? I ended up using the IE8 double flanges, which I thought would widen the soundstage as it does for the Copper, but it doesn't. I would say the MDs is more of a depth IEM than wide soundstage. And that depth gives the instruments greater separation and placement, if that makes any sense. Strings with the MDs are just incredible and are on a whole other level (I hope James444 is reading this). Chris, are you talking about the Sony Hybrids? If so, I didn't like them on the Copper at all, but I love them on the e-Q7. I will probably try them and the PFEs on the MDs tonight. But the double flanges so far are perfect. Thanks again Chris.

Oh, Search seems to think that the MDs and Ortos are closer than I think in some ways, and that I will hear similarities over time as the MDs burn in. I'll let you guys know.

 

[cn11]

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Originally Posted by Spyro /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yea, I have been following this thread and like all the positive comments.....but DAMN are they ugly and cheesy looking IMHO. They look kind of heavy. Do they stay in your ears while active?

They are a little weighty, so I wouldn't think they'd be the best IEM for active use. I use them mainly while at my desk at work. I'll be traveling overseas with them this weekend, so will get a chance to put their isolation to the test as well.

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Originally Posted by HONEYBOY /img/forum/go_quote.gif haha yeah. I guess if owners can put up with the gaudy aesthetics due to the sound they reproduce, then it may be a manifestation of the MDs delivering the goods! By the way guys how do these fit? Do they require deep insertion to sound good? or can they be worn with a shallow depth insertion, Thanks!

They don't work too well over the ears for me, because the cable is somewhat rubbery and tends to spring out from behind my ears. I use them down, and with just a quick shallow insert. They stay put just fine for me, and are more comfortable than the Coppers. The slightly smaller barrel diameter helps their comfort I think. Also, they're not nearly as gaudy in person as they appear in pictures. The Coppers by contrast are far more blingy. But that said, I do wish Monster would have just done an all black version (but keeping the blue cables in tribute to Miles' blue album). And yes, they really deliver the goods!

 

[ericp10]

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Originally Posted by Spyro /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yea, I have been following this thread and like all the positive comments.....but DAMN are they ugly and cheesy looking IMHO. They look kind of heavy. Do they stay in your ears while active?

LOL @ Spyro. They look a lot better in person. As for fit, they feel a little heavy while holding them (although MDs are lighter than Copper), but somehow that weight disappears once in the ears. Fit is neither deep like the Etymotics or shallow. I use the IE8 double flange and it gives me a good seal. That's the main thing, you want a good seal. The Copper requires more fiddling around for the best sound than the MD. The shallower you wear the Copper the better the soundstage. I haven't found that necesarily true with the MD yet. I need more time with them. The housings of the MD are bit smaller than the housing for the Copper, so they don't stick out as much.

 

[cn11]

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Originally Posted by ericp10 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thank you @ Chris, and thank you and Search for both peeking my interest on the MDs. Yes, very surprising how good they sound out of the box. How have they changed for you over time though? I ended up using the IE8 double flanges, which I thought would widen the soundstage as it does for the Copper, but it doesn't. I would say the MDs is more of a depth IEM than wide soundstage. And that depth gives the instruments greater separation and placement, if that makes any sense. Strings with the MDs are just incredible and are on a whole other level (I hope James444 is reading this). Chris, are you talking about the Sony Hybrids? If so, I didn't like them on the Copper at all, but I love them on the e-Q7. I will probably try them and the PFEs on the MDs tonight. But the double flanges so far are perfect. Thanks again Chris. Oh, Search seems to think that the MDs and Ortos are closer than I think in some ways, and that I will hear similarities over time as the MDs burn in. I'll let you guys know.

eric-
Yeah, the Sennheiser double flange tips are pretty darn good on either Monster IEM too. But definitely experiment with your whole range of tip options, as the MD's seem to fit differently. I was talking about the Sony Hybrid tips, yes, they work very well for me on the MD's.

 

[cn11]

An MD pic....

 

[Father Schu]

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Originally Posted by ericp10 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thank you @ Chris, and thank you and Search for both peeking my interest on the MDs. Yes, very surprising how good they sound out of the box. How have they changed for you over time though? I ended up using the IE8 double flanges, which I thought would widen the soundstage as it does for the Copper, but it doesn't. I would say the MDs is more of a depth IEM than wide soundstage. And that depth gives the instruments greater separation and placement, if that makes any sense. Strings with the MDs are just incredible and are on a whole other level (I hope James444 is reading this). Chris, are you talking about the Sony Hybrids? If so, I didn't like them on the Copper at all, but I love them on the e-Q7. I will probably try them and the PFEs on the MDs tonight. But the double flanges so far are perfect. Thanks again Chris. Oh, Search seems to think that the MDs and Ortos are closer than I think in some ways, and that I will hear similarities over time as the MDs burn in. I'll let you guys know.

Damn, you guys are killing me with this! I'm still trying to get the best fit with the Coppers and determine how I really feel about them, and now I'm hearing more corroborating opinions about intimate soundstage, really deep bass, excellent mids and extended highs compliments of Davis. From the descriptions these might be what I was hoping for with the Coppers. It appears from Eric's discussion with JR that I will be waiting until May to actually get to check this out for myself. Damn!

 

[soozieq]

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Originally Posted by cn11 /img/forum/go_quote.gif During a remote listening session with a good friend (with the exact same setup), we noticed precisely the same weight and texture to strings. In one piece, a cello comes in toward the back, and the tactile quality of it had us both just in disbelief.

Yes it jolly well did! Fun times these remote listening sessions

Also, it really helps to note what we're both hearing with the same gear. Now I have to try out the same tracks with the Coppers and see if I can note the same things we heard with the MD's.

For the moment though, I must be the only one in a minority of one... who doesn't feel there's a huge difference in quality over the Coppers. The main points I've observed so far is that they're much more full-bodied, the soundstage has more depth (although the Coppers do well in that dept. too) and the mids are a lot richer. The treble seems to have less sparkle (to my ears) and the bass seems to go a little deeper.

They're also quite a bit warmer than the Coppers, although not nearly as warm as the IE8. They go louder than the Coppers too, right up to 'eleven'! And they're much easier to fit than the Coppers. I'm going to do some more listening later because I haven't had nearly as much time with the MDs as I've had with the Coppers. One thing I can say is that they're both really nice phones, with sound signatures (rather than quality) being the main difference... to my ears, of course

Last thing, I did note that vinyl hiss was more apparent with the Coppers than with the MD's. One of my CDs is a straight vinyl lift and the hiss should be there - but the MD's soften it so you wonder if you actually heard it. But I guess that also makes them an overall smoother listen, so it could be seen as a positive point. Actually, the MD's sound like I have my Sony dynamic normalizer on, everything seems bigger and louder.

The Coppers are definitely more neutral sounding to me, and I do like the extra treble sparkle I get from them.

Okay, more listening to do later

 

[ericp10]

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Originally Posted by Father Schu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Damn, you guys are killing me with this! I'm still trying to get the best fit with the Coppers and determine how I really feel about them, and now I'm hearing more corroborating opinions about intimate soundstage, really deep bass, excellent mids and extended highs compliments of Davis. From the descriptions these might be what I was hoping for with the Coppers. It appears from Eric's discussion with JR that I will be waiting until May to actually get to check this out for myself. Damn!

Sorry @ Schu.. but the truth will you set you free..along with the dollars in your wallet!! lol

 

[lucozade]

@ericp, its intresting you saying the bass is quite a bit more heavy on the mds than the coppers,but you noticed it tappered off some on the coppers during burn in ,i found the exact same thing with the coppers and golds,they both had stronger bass pressence out of the box than they do now,they sound so much better now that there tamed down some.

My music is mainly rock ,pop and country, i will be using the coppers mainly for the rock and pop as they sound so darn good with those geners,just wondering if you have eny country music from the 50s/60s/70s you can do a quick test on the mds with,be intrested in your thoughts on how they perform with this kind of music

 

[Anaxilus]

So to clarify, I've read the Coppers have more Sparkle or better highs than the MD's. Now I'm hearing the MD's have better highs? I guess a more comprehensive comparison of the treble signatures would be helpful. However it seems clear that the MD mids and lows are a clear winner over the Coppers if I understand correctly.

Also, how much do you guys attribute the greater insertion depth of the MD's to the overall greater satisfaction (SQ wise) with them? Does isolation also benefit from this as well?

 

[lucozade]

^^^^ im not sure how much further the mds will go into the ear,gess it depends how much differrence the housing size is on the mds is,with the golds and coppers they go into my ears all the way up to the cord stems so isolation is very good.

 

[soozieq]

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus /img/forum/go_quote.gif So to clarify, I've read the Coppers have more Sparkle or better highs than the MD's. Now I'm hearing the MD's have better highs? I guess a more comprehensive comparison of the treble signatures would be helpful.

I've been listening to both this evening, right now I have the MD's in. I still hear more treble sparkle with the Coppers, but I'm doing some more comparing over the next few hours.

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Also, how much do you guys attribute the greater insertion depth of the MD's to the overall greater satisfaction (SQ wise) with them? Does isolation also benefit from this as well?

I can't fit in either pair very deeply, they just back straight out again no matter which tips I use. So I have about a ninety-percent seal which is fine. The soundstage feels bigger with a looser seal. If I press them in to get a 'proper' seal, the mids get too close and the bass gets overbearing. I had the same thing with the IE8, until I realised the looser seal was actually beneficial. Isolation isn't too bad on the MD's with a looser seal, in fact I find it's better than a perfect fit with the TF10.

 

[lucozade]

@ soozieq ,where did you get your mds from? there dont seem to be many places over here that sell them. thanks