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post #1576 of 1630

Yes. I had midterms and couldn't be bothered to do it earlier. Also I was a little unmotivated because how could NuForce not test the new unit before they shipped it to me? This is very discouraging.

 

Sent a PM to jasonl but his last activity here was over 3 weeks ago.


Edited by colgatetotal - 3/22/13 at 9:34am
post #1577 of 1630

I enjoyed my HDP + HD600 pair for 2+ years. they are great match!

 

now I just want to upgrade my dac/amp, never experienced another dac/amp, anyone knows to what price range I can safely have a distinct improvement for the SQ? any suggestions for specific model?

post #1578 of 1630

I don't claim to be a definitive source of info --- but my upgrade path at that stage was from the HDP (+ linear power supply) to the Burson 160DS, but at the same time I made the switch from Denon D5000 to LCD-2s. I still have the Nuforce / Denon setup around --- but will probably hit the for-sale forum with it at some point.

 

That was before the soloist / conductor came out, and I also didn't really know about schiit gear at the time and it was before the gungnir / mjolnir combo was an option. 

 

I guess the upgrade path boils down to this ---- do you love you HD600 so much that you'd never consider different cans, or are you willing to explore headphone upgrades as part of the next step?

post #1579 of 1630
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Originally Posted by bcollier View Post

I don't claim to be a definitive source of info --- but my upgrade path at that stage was from the HDP (+ linear power supply) to the Burson 160DS, but at the same time I made the switch from Denon D5000 to LCD-2s. I still have the Nuforce / Denon setup around --- but will probably hit the for-sale forum with it at some point.

 

That was before the soloist / conductor came out, and I also didn't really know about schiit gear at the time and it was before the gungnir / mjolnir combo was an option. 

 

I guess the upgrade path boils down to this ---- do you love you HD600 so much that you'd never consider different cans, or are you willing to explore headphone upgrades as part of the next step?

 

sorry, it's a hd650, not hd600, typo...

Yes, I do love my cans and believe they can scale higher. If I will have my next cans, they would be hd800s for sure, but may not be the next step.

 

hunting for a decent dac or amp that can drive the hd650 (or potentially hd800) to at least one level above this sweet HDP (will put it for office use), but just do not want to get something that cost ~1k-2k and do not perform that good to distinguish itself from the HDP

 

heard a lot of good things about the soloist/conductor and gungnir/mjolnir combos, what are the difference come down to the the SQ? any impressions?

post #1580 of 1630
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Originally Posted by bcollier View Post

I don't claim to be a definitive source of info --- but my upgrade path at that stage was from the HDP (+ linear power supply) to the Burson 160DS, but at the same time I made the switch from Denon D5000 to LCD-2s. I still have the Nuforce / Denon setup around --- but will probably hit the for-sale forum with it at some point.

 

That was before the soloist / conductor came out, and I also didn't really know about schiit gear at the time and it was before the gungnir / mjolnir combo was an option. 

 

I guess the upgrade path boils down to this ---- do you love you HD600 so much that you'd never consider different cans, or are you willing to explore headphone upgrades as part of the next step?

 

I suspect there are a lot of HDP users that are wondering what's next.  I've been reading the reviews for the DAC-100 and the HAP-100.  As a Grado fan, I am not looking at the DAC-100, but am curious about what DAC to pair with a HAP-100.  I've been looking at either a Schiit Bifrost or a Burson DA160.  I don't need USB (I have a nice USB-S/PDIF bridge), so I am leaning towards the Bifrost (it's 1/2 the cost of the Burson w/o USB).  I take it you really like the DAC section in your Burson?

post #1581 of 1630
I was thinking of getting a Schiit Lyr and using my Icon HD solely as a DAC since it gets such high praise. Is anyone running this combination? Worth it for the amp upgrade?
post #1582 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

 

I suspect there are a lot of HDP users that are wondering what's next.  I've been reading the reviews for the DAC-100 and the HAP-100.  As a Grado fan, I am not looking at the DAC-100, but am curious about what DAC to pair with a HAP-100.  I've been looking at either a Schiit Bifrost or a Burson DA160.  I don't need USB (I have a nice USB-S/PDIF bridge), so I am leaning towards the Bifrost (it's 1/2 the cost of the Burson w/o USB).  I take it you really like the DAC section in your Burson?

 

I do like it a lot, but don't have a ton of points for comparison outside of the HDP --- nor have I done a lot of back and forth testing. I also have the algorythm solo -db (AKM dac) floating around.

 

The conductor (or other quality ESS SABRE32 dacs) should be a cut above in terms of SQ compared to the 160D/DS, which in turn I feel like is a cut above the HDP. Maybe I'll spend some time this weekend on a mini-review of the differences to my ear.

post #1583 of 1630

Nothing to see here.


Edited by derbigpr - 5/14/13 at 11:09am
post #1584 of 1630
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

I've had the HDP for a few days now, got it used for about 250$ and feel I've been ripped off like never before. What the hell is wrong with people recommending this device and claiming its great value for 450$ new? No offense, but its crap even at 250, let alone 450.

The DAC inside sucks if we assume half of the $450 goes towards it, because its barely better than a Realtek HD integrated soundcard on my top of the line (2 years old mind you) motherboard, and it has this weird tonality where it sounds muffled and bright at the same time, as if highs are clear and brought forward, but the rest of the frequencies are muffled. Soundstage is small, I'd say that K701's have a bigger soundstage when plugged into an integrated motherboard headphone output, which says a lot. Asus ST runs circles around it as far as sound quality goes, it honestly at least twice as good, no contest whatsoever, as a DAC or as a headphone amp.

 

Amp on it...well,  AKG K701 is inaudible up to 40% on volume knob, then it wakes up but volume stays low and almost unchanged to 70%, then it starts going up again, and at 100% its got a decent volume with K701's, but not LOUD. This definitely doesn't have the claimed output power, no fcking way, a motherboard headphone output gets the K701's almost as loud at 100%, and ST is louder at 70% and middle gain setting, or 50% at highest gain, AND not only is it louder, it sounds better two, and like its powered with more authority.   Also,  volume knob is funny,  since at low volumes it take a lot of turning to get a volume change, but at high levels you just touch it and it changes volume like crazy.  Again, overall, nowhere near as good as the ST, I don't think its even a subjective difference or a matter of preference, its simply a night and day difference between the two devices.

 

Sorry for being so negative, and this is the first time I've been so disappointed by a device that I actually decided to write a negative review, but as a device that EVERYONE seems to like, and doesn't have a single negative review about it that I've found....its very very very disappointing. For 450$, its a rip off of the century. Either everyone who wrote reviews on HDP never owned  or heard anything half decent before buying the HDP, or Nuforce has a horde of people writing positive reviews about their products on the internet....or I'm just deaf, which I doubt, since I clearly like the sound of my other soundcard better.

 

This is the only thing I've bought that I want to sell after owning it for two days.  I'm not saying "Don't buy it",  all I'm saying is, audition it before buying it, don't be stupid like I was and believe all the positive reviews on amazon and head-fi, and dont order it only on the basis of other peoples opinion.


Wow, and you bought used? Maybe you bought a bad one. I own one and love it and I have a few other very popular amp/DACs and I feel its the same quality as the others, and certainly anything but lesser!

post #1585 of 1630

That really really sounds like a faulty unit. Mine has a very smooth volume control and has enough juice to even bring my HE-6 to decent listening levels. 

post #1586 of 1630
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

That really really sounds like a faulty unit. Mine has a very smooth volume control and has enough juice to even bring my HE-6 to decent listening levels. 

 

Splendid.


Edited by derbigpr - 5/14/13 at 11:10am
post #1587 of 1630

From what I'm reading, you are suggesting that everyone else is either ignorant or lying about the performance of the HDP.  If the unit is not defective or perhaps damaged during shipping, maybe something is not set up correctly?  What source are you using with your HDP and how is it connected?  Have you tried other sources or connecting with a different input?  If connecting to the computer, is the volume level on the computer at 100%?  

post #1588 of 1630
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Originally Posted by sonitus mirus View Post

From what I'm reading, you are suggesting that everyone else is either ignorant or lying about the performance of the HDP.  If the unit is not defective or perhaps damaged during shipping, maybe something is not set up correctly?  What source are you using with your HDP and how is it connected?  Have you tried other sources or connecting with a different input?  If connecting to the computer, is the volume level on the computer at 100%?  

 

 

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Edited by derbigpr - 5/14/13 at 11:10am
post #1589 of 1630
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post


No, I'm saying that everyone else is over exaggerating in their reviews of the HDP. A device that performs on this level for this money should not have all 5 star reviews.
Everything is set up correctly, I don't see how it would be possible to not set it up properly, you just connect it to a PC with a usb cable, turn it on and that's it. I also tried it with a coax cable running out of the asus st, as well as just using rca's out of the asus, in which case, sound quality goes up noticeably, obviously due to the DAC in ST being superior.

Not saying you are wrong here in any way, shape or form, but have you considered that it may be down to music preferences and pairing as well?

There are some things that can drive the k702 to full loudness but yet not drive the unit properly. My Psu just died and I'm getting it replaced tomorrow hopefully. I own the HDP and the k702. I do think I know where you are coming from but at the same time, I do feel the HDP is a very good unit as well.

There are however caveats. Firstly, as time passes technology gets better so what may be good then may not be as good, in relative terms, now. Secondly, it is important to note that some respectable and knowledgeable people have reviewed the unit and gave it good reviews. Have you therefore considered that (assuming no faulty defects) that you may not be able to fully appreciate the unit (no offence intended)?

Whatever it is, if it doesn't suit you, I hope you find something else that does. I do find your stance slightly hard to believe but respect your opinion.

I think the HDP from recollection drives my k702s okay but think I'm missing out on something still. Could be wrong though. I just find the headphone too uncomfortable to bother using wink.gif
post #1590 of 1630

I'm not even taking into account your consideration of the dac and sound quality, but your description of the volume pot and power delivery really sounds like something is dreadfully broken with the unit. I've owned the HDP on two separate occasions now, both purchased used, and the behaviour is nothing like you're describing. It has enough power to adequately push my HE-6. I've used it with a K701/2 and it goes to absolutely ear bleeding levels. The volume control should be smooth and not jumpy like you're saying.

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