Does anybody know the CEC3300 CD player ?
Oct 11, 2003 at 5:02 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

Pavel

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Hi guys,

I think about a CD player upgrade. The candidates are :
- CEC 3300,
- Arcam 82 or 93,
- NAD 542.
I also need a headamp (I don't have it yet).

I have read that the CEC3300 has a good headamp built-in. Does anybody know this player ? If so, is it a good player, and is a built-in headamp really good ?

I will appreciate any your comments very much.

Pavel

P.S. My headphones are HD600.
 
Oct 12, 2003 at 8:24 PM Post #2 of 15
Any reason you are restricting yourself to redbook cd players only? The newer multiformat units have respectable redbook but the hirez formats are absolutely superb.
 
Oct 12, 2003 at 8:48 PM Post #3 of 15
Hi Kartik,

thanks for your reply.

I think I can get better sound from redbook-CD player (in my price range). For instance I have read mixed reviews about new Philips 963. Also, the number of SACD titles is growing slowly, and they remain quite expensive.
I think this could be my last CD player ... :)

Best regards.
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 1:09 AM Post #4 of 15
This is the first that I've heard that the built-in headamp section is any good. Just out of curiosity, where did you hear that? This could be very interesting if it really does have a good headamp section, it would be a first at its price mark (still currently in production).
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 2:07 AM Post #5 of 15
I have a product leaflet (a .pdf file) where the manufacturer repeatedly emphasizes the quality of the built-in headamp. I can send it, if you wish.

But when I read about this player for the first time, it was on one of web high-end forums in my country, where one guy who had a chance to audition this player wrote that it had good analogue section (all discrete) and similarly good headamp section.
I can give the address of the forum, but I am afraid it is useless for anybody who doesn't speak my language :)
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 2:12 AM Post #6 of 15
Thanks for the offer, I can probably find the .pdf file on the CEC site...if I can find the CEC site.

WRT your home language forum, go ahead and post the link. Babelfish doesn't have a ...uh...would that be Czechoslovakian? Maybe I can get my mother to translate it for me. She's from Yugoslavia.

Please.
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Oct 13, 2003 at 3:11 AM Post #8 of 15
Quote:

Originally posted by kartik
Any reason you are restricting yourself to redbook cd players only? The newer multiformat units have respectable redbook but the hirez formats are absolutely superb.


I haven't heard any hi-resolution format players that sounded respectable for redbook at their price range yet. In my opinion its not a good time to get a hi-rez player yet.
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 3:49 AM Post #9 of 15
Regarding the CEC CD-3300, an intriguing snip from the Mutine site.
Quote:

The first product we will receive in October is a new and improved version (hence different from the model presently available) of the entry level direct-drive CD player CD-3300; it will be identified by its black color.


Mutine C.E.C. (CEC) English:
http://www.mutine.com/pages/cecen.html

TravelLite
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 4:49 AM Post #10 of 15
I take exception to the fact that no SACD player sounds good in the ~$1000 range. I have a Sharp DSD player which was $1199 NIB and it has a really nice redbook playback.
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 4:51 AM Post #11 of 15
Sorry for the previous post. Just realised the CEC 3300 is only $499. I was thinking of the CEC5100 TL. Please ignore my prior remarks.
 
Oct 13, 2003 at 4:53 AM Post #12 of 15
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Originally posted by Pavel


I have read that the CEC3300 has a good headamp built-in. Does anybody know this player ? If so, is it a good player, and is a built-in headamp really good ?



I was touring China when I chanced upon this player in Jul. This is a for China & some European countries model that is manufactured in China. Briefly listened to it with the HD600 for about 30mins. For only less than Chinese RMB 3000, I've to say that the headamp output section is very good indeed. But than again it was seating on a set of SolidTech's Feet of Silence + thru some PS Audio Power Supply.
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Oct 15, 2003 at 2:12 PM Post #13 of 15
I just got the latest Audio Advisor mailing and the CEC CD-3300 is in the mailing. Sounds like a very interesting design. Apparently the output stage is Single Ended SS and is supposed to be extremely sweet and revealing. Damn, I'd like to hear this thing.
 
Oct 20, 2003 at 2:48 AM Post #14 of 15
I bought a CD3300 a couple of weeks ago. I think it's well worth the $499, but I don't have much experience listening to players at this price point and above, so bear that in mind as you read my opinions. I play several instruments, and I've played in bands in reasonable acoustic environments, so I know what particular styles of rock bands "should" sound like; that's my benchmark.

I listen to the CD3300 mostly through Sony CD3000 headphones. The combination generates plenty of treble: cymbals, hi-hats, snares, chimes, triangles and other high pitched percussion are clear, and I've been startled by the new crystalline quality of some sounds I've heard in familiar recordings. On one of the tracks on Steve Cole's "Stay Awhile", I heard a choral keyboard part I've never noticed before. On Nelson Rangell's albums the percussive "sweetening" has good stereo placement, and the sound is exciting.

There's plenty of attack in drum sounds, the impact of bass drum beater on skin is clear, and snare drums are sharp. Steel string acoustic guitars have a lovely sparkle, but the CD3000s may be largely responsible for that, they're known for their good reproduction of metallic sounds.

On Joni Mitchell's Travelogue, Larry Klein's bass is rich and articulate. Electronica bass is also detailed, with plenty of thump and sizzle on Layo and Bushwacka's "Night Works". On David Sanborn's "TimeAgain", Christian McBride's bass is woody and resonant, and David's alto sax has a reedy "phloom". On this recording I'm now hearing some slightly distracting sax key noise I haven't heard before, I guess this means the player is revealing.

I've never listened to a dedicated headphone amp so I don't know how good the CD3300's amp is, but it seems to generate quite a few milliwatts; the volume knob doesn't have a scale, but on an assumed scale of 1 to 10, I can't handle anything louder than 2 (although this thing, like the guitar amp in Spinal Tap, goes to 11 in my opinion). I've also listened to the player with Etymotic ER4Ps, and in my experience they are ruthless at uncovering noise in the signal path; I don't hear any here. On the other hand, I've read that a good headphone amp should improve the ER4P's weak bass, but this headphone out doesn't seem to do that, so maybe that's a mark against it.

I like the CD3300 a lot, but I may not be qualified to recommend it to you, I haven't heard any of the other players you're looking at, and all my headphones are much easier to drive than the HD600s.

What CDs are you listening to currently? Perhaps we have an album in common and I can tell you what I hear from the CD3300. If you have any modern saxophone jazz, I'm likely to have it too, and I have all of Pat Metheny's albums.
 
Oct 20, 2003 at 5:50 PM Post #15 of 15
Hi OverSaxed,

Thanks for your nice post.

The CEC3300 and Sony CD3000 headphones is probably very good match, as I have heard that the CEC3300 itself is a little dark sounding, and that Sony CD3000 headphones are quite bright sounding.

Yes, I am a musician, too (I play keyboards). So, both you and I may have similar listening habits/preferences.
And, wow, Travelogue by Joni Mitchell is sooo wonderful. Joni is one of my loveliest artists, besides Suzanne Vega and Kate Bush. Pat Metheny plays also a lot of wonderful music (I like especially his first recordings with ECM label). I am also into some older art-rock (Yes, Jethro Tull) and into classics (Bach, Debussy). I listen some jazz, too, but mainly piano (Bill Evans, Michel Petrucciani).

I haven't heard the CEC3300 yet, but I will have a chance in a couple of days. I am curious how it would compare to my older Denon DCD735. I compared Denon to a new NAD 542, and also to an Arcam CD73, and ... there is no big difference, at least for my ears. So, I am looking forward to listen to the CEC player.

Best regards,

Pavel
 

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