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Earbuds Round-Up
Jul 19, 2016 at 3:47 AM Post #6,691 of 75,375
Jul 19, 2016 at 4:08 AM Post #6,692 of 75,375
vapman said:
  Not sure why but i'm tempted to try the Tomahawk again, despite hating it first time around.
 
Any reason to get a ting lite instead? want a cheap bud, not tryin to spend Ting money, just bought a mojito.
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As everyone knows, I love my Tomahawks. But if you didn't like them the first time I do not think that your impression of them will change. Ting has got the same sort of "metallic" sound that Tomahawk has got but the presentation is very different. Not in your face at all but much more laid back.

When I looked through the Ali express app for Android yesterday I saw that the seller who's name shall not be mentioned was selling Ting for $57 or 58. It was the listing where you can buy Ting and Tomahawk together. You can also choose to buy either Ting or Tomahawk only. That same listing through a browser shows much higher prices...
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 6:11 AM Post #6,693 of 75,375
vapman said:
  Not sure why but i'm tempted to try the Tomahawk again, despite hating it first time around.
 
Any reason to get a ting lite instead? want a cheap bud, not tryin to spend Ting money, just bought a mojito.
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Ting (standard) is closer to ES100 and Tomahawk is totally different. Although I am aware that there are opinions here that Tomahawk and Ting are similar but I disagree.
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 7:09 AM Post #6,694 of 75,375
istlove said:
Would you recommend the earbuds like old monk sounds?
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From the range that I own the closest to original Monk would be Sennheiser MX 475. In fact Monk is pretty unique. There are a lot of earbuds with this kind of soft V-shaped signature but each is missing something compared to Monk. By the way, I wonder how low impendence Seahf / TY models compare to Monk (is it the same creator?) ? 
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 7:32 AM Post #6,695 of 75,375
Jul 19, 2016 at 8:46 AM Post #6,696 of 75,375
@kinetic758 Ok, first off, as I don't have a way to accurately volume match, the best I can provide is estimates.  Listening to both the Mojito and MX985, to my ears the bass is more forward on the Mojito where it's a little laid back on the MX985.  Vocals feel a little recessed on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Vocals also feel a little closer on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Treble feels a little more pronounced on the Mojito vs the MX985 where it feels a little laid back.  Detail is good on both, but the Mojito to my ears certainly is more detailed and clear.  The Mojito all in all feels very accurate, which might reflect poorly on bad recordings, where the MX985 is nice, relaxed and laid back, reminding me of Grado, but I haven't heard one in awhile so that may not be accurate.  Pros of the Mojito other than the sound aspects which are entirely subjective are the detachable cable, amazing comfort in my experience, plus the probable ease of resale given the current popularity if it doesn't work out for you.  Pros of the MX985 are it seems to be slightly easier to drive than the Mojito, being a little louder at a set volume than the Mojito, a volume slider and adjustable jack on the cable, & Sennheiser's trusted brand and their willingness to help with their products.  Many people without a doubt will point towards the Mojito as king of Sound Stage, so with my depth perception issues I can use that as a second opinion.  If I were trying to be objective, I'd say the Mojito is the superior earbud in most respects, and owning both feels unnecessary except for collection purposes.  The MX985 is still a very good earbud, but everything I like about it, the Mojito feels like it does it better, although the MX985 might be easier for long listening sessions for some.  Honestly, and this is kind of off topic, I think I prefer the Crows Audio Signature Edition over the MX985.
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM Post #6,698 of 75,375
saoshyant said:
  @kinetic758 Ok, first off, as I don't have a way to accurately volume match, the best I can provide is estimates.  Listening to both the Mojito and MX985, to my ears the bass is more forward on the Mojito where it's a little laid back on the MX985.  Vocals feel a little recessed on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Vocals also feel a little closer on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Treble feels a little more pronounced on the Mojito vs the MX985 where it feels a little laid back.  Detail is good on both, but the Mojito to my ears certainly is more detailed and clear.  The Mojito all in all feels very accurate, which might reflect poorly on bad recordings, where the MX985 is nice, relaxed and laid back, reminding me of Grado, but I haven't heard one in awhile so that may not be accurate.  Pros of the Mojito other than the sound aspects which are entirely subjective are the detachable cable, amazing comfort in my experience, plus the probable ease of resale given the current popularity if it doesn't work out for you.  Pros of the MX985 are it seems to be slightly easier to drive than the Mojito, being a little louder at a set volume than the Mojito, a volume slider and adjustable jack on the cable, & Sennheiser's trusted brand and their willingness to help with their products.  Many people without a doubt will point towards the Mojito as king of Sound Stage, so with my depth perception issues I can use that as a second opinion.  If I were trying to be objective, I'd say the Mojito is the superior earbud in most respects, and owning both feels unnecessary except for collection purposes.  The MX985 is still a very good earbud, but everything I like about it, the Mojito feels like it does it better, although the MX985 might be easier for long listening sessions for some.  Honestly, and this is kind of off topic, I think I prefer the Crows Audio Signature Edition over the MX985.
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Thank u so much for such detailed explanation.
It takes a lot of time to write.
Thanks again buddy. My mojito just reached my city PO. I am excited to to use them as my daily driver with Chord Mojo.
Hope so it will replace my Zen 2.
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 9:24 AM Post #6,699 of 75,375
@Tomasz With the Mojito & listening to an orchestrated piece that also has a central singer, the singer certainly feels to be close and the focal point of the music, the chorus feels properly spaced from the singer, as do the instruments.  With a live recording (Nirvana Unplugged), spacing feels fairly decent, but by no means spread out like the Chorus for the previous song.  All in all, I suspect there's a possibility Mojito might feel artificially spread out, but honestly it sounds entirely accurate to what I'd expect.
 
With the MX985 on the orchestrated piece, both the singer and chorus/instruments feel noticably closer.  With a live recording where the members are not all that spread out (Nirvana Unplugged) everyone feels rather close together.  To my ears, it feels closer together than it probably should, but I admit due to my horrible depth perception I might be misreading.
 
Sorry if that's not enough information, as I am a truly horrible judge of sound stage.  I will say identifying direction on the Mojito is quite easy, and on the MX985 it's solid but not quite as clear.
 
@music4mhell I really hope you like the Mojito/Mojo pairing.  I use my Dap as a transport for the Mojo and it's just lovely.  It's very well might be the best sub-$1000 purchase in this hobby.
 
Also, I should post a side note.  Versus a solid vocals-based earbud, the Mojito feels a little analytical and maybe digital where there can be improvement in this respect even in noticeably less expensive earbuds.
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 9:29 AM Post #6,700 of 75,375
saoshyant said:
@kinetic758
 Ok, first off, as I don't have a way to accurately volume match, the best I can provide is estimates.  Listening to both the Mojito and MX985, to my ears the bass is more forward on the Mojito where it's a little laid back on the MX985.  Vocals feel a little recessed on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Vocals also feel a little closer on the MX985 compared to the Mojito.  Treble feels a little more pronounced on the Mojito vs the MX985 where it feels a little laid back.  Detail is good on both, but the Mojito to my ears certainly is more detailed and clear.  The Mojito all in all feels very accurate, which might reflect poorly on bad recordings, where the MX985 is nice, relaxed and laid back, reminding me of Grado, but I haven't heard one in awhile so that may not be accurate.  Pros of the Mojito other than the sound aspects which are entirely subjective are the detachable cable, amazing comfort in my experience, plus the probable ease of resale given the current popularity if it doesn't work out for you.  Pros of the MX985 are it seems to be slightly easier to drive than the Mojito, being a little louder at a set volume than the Mojito, a volume slider and adjustable jack on the cable, & Sennheiser's trusted brand and their willingness to help with their products.  Many people without a doubt will point towards the Mojito as king of Sound Stage, so with my depth perception issues I can use that as a second opinion.  If I were trying to be objective, I'd say the Mojito is the superior earbud in most respects, and owning both feels unnecessary except for collection purposes.  The MX985 is still a very good earbud, but everything I like about it, the Mojito feels like it does it better, although the MX985 might be easier for long listening sessions for some.  Honestly, and this is kind of off topic, I think I prefer the Crows Audio Signature Edition over the MX985.
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Thanks again for this great write up. Can you clarify what you mean when you said the MX985 has vocals that feel more recessed but at the same time "closer"?

Also, did you try running them straight from a music player without a dac/amp?
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM Post #6,701 of 75,375
vapman said:
Here's a case where going by impedance alone is a tricky thing:

The legendary E100 earbells (shame QC went out the window on those and they became hopeless to find a good set) were rated at 32 ohms yet with almost complete certainty I can tell you almost no phone or laptop alone could give it the amount of power it wanted. Almost guarenteed you could have it almost at full volume and be pissed off that it wasn't loud as it should be. always needed an amp or a vintage receiver that put out gobs of high gain power.

Another headphone that's 16 ohms, can be driven by a phone, but is capable of taking s***loads of power is the JVC SZ series, you can get them to great volume with any phone or laptop, but you could easily push 2 or 3 watts to them and they wouldn't complain one bit!

In both cases going by the impedance alone doesn't tell the full story  :beerchug:
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What made me take a chance with the Mojito was Penon's description:

"The full version Mojito is aimed at demonstrating its full strength on portable devices. In addition, there is a piece of good news for audiophiles: we have discovered that the amazing potential of Mojito in the system combination of the top earphone and headphone amplifier. That is to say, matching with the more excellent front end, the sound of earphone will be more surprising. And for now, it potential limit has not been found yet."

So this gives me hope :)
 
Jul 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM Post #6,702 of 75,375
Well, in comparison, while the focal point of the vocals with the MX985 feels closer, the vocals felt a little quieter in my attempts to volume match the two.  So for the Mojito, they felt slightly further way but were more prominent.  This comparison was done straight from a gen 1 Fiio X5 as I just didn't feel like grabbing my Mojo to pair.
 
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