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You make it sound like we can't care for both? Either one or the other.. The argument is getting old.. & if a 'freakin' dog saved you or your family's life, you might have a bit more respect for them..

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What about children rights.. Same concept..

Actually, dogs are better then us in many ways.. A dog won't judge you, will never leave you, beat you, will risk it's own life to protect you & your family. Die for you. Love you regardless.. 100% loyal. Won't screw you over, stab you in the back, etc.. How many humans have those traits? Dogs are more humane & compassionate then humans will ever be. There are good reasons people become dog people.. You sound like a person who would rather kill a innocent puppy then a child raper, cause the child raper is human, making him better then the dog. If that's the case, I feel sorry for you..

& kill the Veggie argument.. In this country, dogs & cats are domesticated.. They are our pets.. So, if I eat meat, I must think it's not a big deal what he did to dogs..

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Why is it that people can't be concerned about both? Just because I think what Vick did is absolutely disgusting doesn't mean I also don't think that starving children don't need to be cared for. I don't know if you follow any sort of charity but people are working to take care of both as best they can. What Vick did is horrible, minimizing it just because other horrible things are going on is just pointless.

St. Louis raised. Wish the Rams would have signed him but they have enough on their plates without another project. Bulger needs the push Vick would have brought. Vick will be squeaky clean with respect to animal abuse.

Our society loves to judge but has little commitment with followthrough. Personally, what he did to those dogs should have put him out of society for life. This just serves to let others know they can get away with such actions without much accountability. I wouldn't care if it were rabbits, the actions are against social expectations and should not be taken lightly. Life in all forms should be respected and malicious actions dealt with as severely.

I didn't start the thread to discuss the moral judgment of Vick's actions. As a football fan, I'm looking forward to seeing him play. Philly sees it the same way and they are in it to win. Since society has given him grace, let him play.

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Absolutely. QFT.

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I wish my Chiefs had signed Vick. We needed a quarterback badly, before they signed the back-up from NE. Our o-line was stinking it up, and at least he's very mobile for a QB. And after all those years in prison, he's gonna be tough as nails

He's a great QB, let him play coach.

Your dog doesn't love you.
Get over it.
Animal "rights" is an unsustainable expression of middle class neurosis and has been turned into an industry that exploits our natural empathy for animals for cash.
It would be nice if we could "care" for both animals and people; sadly there is only so much cash, empathy and headlines to go round and the Budgies for Buddha™ foundations regularly corner the market in all three at the expense of much social progress. The humane racket has billions in the bank and legions of execs making ridiculous salaries while the Red Cross had to go into a $70,000,000 hole to respond to Katrina.
While this is a growing opportunity for prospective lawyers, something is badly skewed.
Vick's actions were inexcusable and against the law. He was busted, publicly humiliated, damaged financially and did his time. Other players have committed far worse crimes and have not been hounded in the same way.
Any further demonization of Vick is purely as a fund raising gimmick for the animal protest industry or is for the personal satisfaction of the misanthropes who hide their issues behind a veneer of compassion for animals.

damn IceClass wish i could rep you.


oh well ill do it anyways


/+ Rep IceClass

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lol PETA

DrBenway, it's important to care for neglected/abused children and animals. I spent a few years working the dependency/delinquency end of juvenile law and certainly care for children, too. I won't tolerate neglect and abuse of children just as I won't for animals, either. My cats are from a shelter, as will every animal I'll own. Though I've taken in strays, too.

If this matter involved the abuse of children, I'm sure there would be equally strong opinions. But what Vick did involved animals, so they're relevant to the discussion while children aren't.

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It is obviously wrong to intentionally inflict suffering on any living thing. What Vick did was disgusting. Extremely disgusting; I never said otherwise. I just think it's a matter of priorities. When every human child goes to sleep with a full stomach and the promise of a decent, secure future, I will happily turn my attention to the abuse of animals.

I also think his punishment was more severe than many expected, and that he served his time uneventfully. I think he deserves the opportunity to ply his trade. Denying him that amounts to punishing him for the rest of his life.

I also have to question why there isn't more of an outcry about the endemic abuse of race horses and racing dogs. Greyhounds are routinely and callously killed when they can no longer compete. Doesn't that sound familiar? Let's not even talk about what goes on in circuses and many zoos.

And many veteranarians have spoken out about the use of three-year-old colts as race horses. These are juvenile animals, and the pounding that racing subjects them to guarantees that, year after year, a depressing number of them will be put down after breaking a leg. Where's the general outcry over that?

Vick is being singled out because of his celebrity and because people like to feel morally superior (I don't mean that as a dig at you.)

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There's an outcry and these people when caught deserve the same fate as Vick. Give them a nice long jail term to reconsider their actions. Repeat and double the time until they get a clue. The racing industry/zoos are not the root cause of the issue; individuals directing and taking the action are; let's not forget that.

M. Vick did his time and now it's our time to get off his back, give him the benefit of the doubt that he is rehabilitated and let him get on with his life. If he returns to his past, put him away for 3-5 no early release. Until that happens leave him be.

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Bullseye.

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Exactly, and that is at the crux of the debate. I'm trying to see how turning Vick and others like him into vagrants for life serves the public interest. Perhaps there will be room for them under the Julia Tuttle Causeway bridge (Google it if you don't get the reference--what is going on there is blossoming into a national disgrace).

If anyone thinks he got off light then write lawmakers and petition them to change the law.

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Agreed.

--Jerome

My respect for and faith in professional sports, neither of which I have, has been justified. Unfortunately, I expected nothing better...